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[Deleted member 4601]

Probably because his activity increased in that he called people ... onto making a post about paige now so expect that soon!

Ah, alright. (I still have my doubts, but I'm a little more reserved as to voting now). As for why I assumed 3 mafia left: it seems reasonable for me to have four mafia in this setup, and with notty down we're left with three.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Okay so as well as myuser and kinda mulb, I am also developing an increasing suspicion on paige.

First reason is her push on me yesterday, which I felt (and still do feel) didn't make any sense and rather than trying to scum-hunt was just trying to make me suspicious. You can find the conversation on page 15. It could just be misunderstandings on either our parts but it just seemed (and seems) a bit fishy to me.

Next reason is her voting patterns.

Her two votes this game have followed the same pattern:

If Nottykitten is inno, then there's most likely mafia among Fog/Arelic/Hk
so Vote Nottykitten

Vote Notme
although what if he's been blackmailed into this

Both of them, 1) followed a fairly long period of silence and absence of any contribution to the discussion of the lynch she eventually voted on, and 2) had very little reasoning, or no reasoning with Notme's vote, for why she personally voted for them. The only time paige mentioned Notme prior to voting him was on page 15 in her response to the list of questions:

"who else besides these three would you rank as suspicious?
Mulb/Notme/Moog/Ender because lurking/being away is a good way to not be forced to vote for maf buddy
also JKangaroo but slightly
Basically everyone in game because it's only Day 2

Who do you think the biggest lurkers are? (please put them in order of biggest lurker to smallest lurker)
Notme and Moog"

And within those questions, she even said:

"what do you think the best plans of action are for today?
Lynch between Inf/Unu/Myu there's scum in there I can feel it in my gut

who do you think we should lynch?
See above"

So clearly she had no leanings towards voting Notme prior to her sudden vote on him after me and foggy did. She didn't push for me or myuser, despite having scum-reads on us, she didn't even give a reason for voting Notme.

As for her vote on Notty, the number of times she mentioned notty prior to voting add up to 0. She literally did not speak during the entire discussion until she voted, and when she did vote, it wasa very short (admittedly reasonable) reason. It could just be that she had nothing to say until that point because everyone else was saying everything already, but it just feels to me like a hop on a bandwagon for a dying teammate that she couldn't save. I've said before that I found it odd how there was so much resistance to the notty lynch in the form of silence, and paige was one of the silent people.

And then my final reason is vibes from her reactions. For example:

I have been suspicious of you from the beginning, mainly because Inffy is still alive and that makes me feel as though either you or he are the Mafia. Furthermore, if we are to believe that there is at least one mafia in each of the general quarters groups (although this could be a wrong assumption) I for some reason trust JK more than I trust you. Also I guess *vibes* as Inf would say. I mean my vote is subject to change and if anybody has any useful information I am all ears.

But we don't know that there's mafia? It might be a mafia-free group. When I flip town, are you going to lynch the last officer? And what if JK is town too?

Besides you've made it clear that having us both alive makes you think one of us is mafia. If we're both town, wouldn't mafia want us alive for that reason, since you're the single most trusted player in the game at the moment?

I don't trust this group
What are you operating and why are you all alive

To be honest if there was a bad person in Officer's chat, it was probably hip

He appears to be third party with a goal of reaching Fog's rank?

I dunno, but there's a good chance an Executive Officer would be in Officer's chat no? Especially if the definition is "the officer who is second in command to the captain or commanding officer."

99% sure he was meant to be in Officer's chat

Was Science chat missing a person? Or could it have been possible that not every chat had four people? Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was in no group, either.

Also, could we get a cop report from Unu today? Or possible clarification on the "Won't tell" bit? And the post that was promised from Mulb? And any proof that Ender is still alive? AndlynchMoogandInfpleaseandthanks

I feel panic from these posts. Panic, and deflection. Deflection onto me and moog, deflection onto hip being the likely scum in their chat (which she seems weirdly convicted (is that the word? idk) towards, to me at least, ignoring the possibility of jkang being it and instead pushing it all onto hip), and deflection onto the operations chat - deflection being something I've previously called her out for too, back on page 15, where I quoted these posts:

I would like to point out the fact that Infected_alien8_ is still alive... and that makes me suspicious. I am pretty sure that either He or Paige are mafia, although I cannot say for certain. My meeting was with the 'Officers' at least that's what I think it was called, however, I am now debating the possibility of their being at least one Mafia member in every different Quarter. I was in conversation with JK, Paige and Notme... but nobody really spoke which was rather disappointing. But I am more suspicious of Notme and Paige than I was before having the chat.

please I'm a good girl I don't do mafia things
though inf has been very quiet today, I'd like to point out

So yeah.

(Anyone who gets this reference is amazing <3)

 

[Enderfive]

is jk just busy or is he deliberately lurking

 

[Unusual_Dood]

I was not blackmailed last night or the night before.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I was not blackmailed last night or the night before.

And your report?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

And your report?

And if you weren't blackmailed why did you refuse to answer when I asked if you were visited?

 

[webpaige]

Okay so as well as myuser and kinda mulb, I am also developing an increasing suspicion on paige.

First reason is her push on me yesterday, which I felt (and still do feel) didn't make any sense and rather than trying to scum-hunt was just trying to make me suspicious. You can find the conversation on page 15. It could just be misunderstandings on either our parts but it just seemed (and seems) a bit fishy to me.

Because I have strong vibes that you and Moog are mafia

Next reason is her voting patterns.

Her two votes this game have followed the same pattern:



Both of them, 1) followed a fairly long period of silence and absence of any contribution to the discussion of the lynch she eventually voted on, and 2) had very little reasoning, or no reasoning with Notme's vote, for why she personally voted for them. The only time paige mentioned Notme prior to voting him was on page 15 in her response to the list of questions:

I had literally no information to add to the Notty discussion. And I voted for Notme because "Vanilla townie" is a strange claim, and I didn't trust him because he lurked in game and made 1 post in Officer's chat.

"who else besides these three would you rank as suspicious?
Mulb/Notme/Moog/Ender because lurking/being away is a good way to not be forced to vote for maf buddy
also JKangaroo but slightly
Basically everyone in game because it's only Day 2

Who do you think the biggest lurkers are? (please put them in order of biggest lurker to smallest lurker)
Notme and Moog"

And within those questions, she even said:

"what do you think the best plans of action are for today?
Lynch between Inf/Unu/Myu there's scum in there I can feel it in my gut

who do you think we should lynch?
See above"

So clearly she had no leanings towards voting Notme prior to her sudden vote on him after me and foggy did. She didn't push for me or myuser, despite having scum-reads on us, she didn't even give a reason for voting Notme.

Because there was a concrete reason to vote Notme instead of any of you guys, I voted Notme only after his strange claim. I do not want to lynch on gut feelings.

As for her vote on Notty, the number of times she mentioned notty prior to voting add up to 0. She literally did not speak during the entire discussion until she voted, and when she did vote, it wasa very short (admittedly reasonable) reason. It could just be that she had nothing to say until that point because everyone else was saying everything already, but it just feels to me like a hop on a bandwagon for a dying teammate that she couldn't save. I've said before that I found it odd how there was so much resistance to the notty lynch in the form of silence, and paige was one of the silent people.

I had nothing to say, do you want me to claim a role that I'm not and hand out fake information? And at least I voted Notty, you seemed more resistant to that by abstaining.

And then my final reason is vibes from her reactions. For example:






I feel panic from these posts. Panic, and deflection. Deflection onto me and moog, deflection onto hip being the likely scum in their chat (which she seems weirdly convicted (is that the word? idk) towards, to me at least, ignoring the possibility of jkang being it and instead pushing it all onto hip), and deflection onto the operations chat - deflection being something I've previously called her out for too, back on page 15, where I quoted these posts:

I have reason to believe Jkang isn't scum is all. Still suspicious but I don't see why every chat must have a mafia member in it (and it still makes the most sense to have hip in the chat given his win condition but that's just me).

And "deflection" because for whatever reason Fog has a vendetta against me even though I'm not maf, and in my opinion you just seem so suspicious, so of course I want focus to be on you?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I had literally no information to add to the Notty discussion.

Why didn't you vote sooner then? Why did you stay silent for ages and then vote when it seemed like notty was inevitably going to be lynched? If the only information you had was "this person got that person as mafia in a report", and your mindset is "we should lynch that person because if they're innocent we have potential liars", which it was because that's what you said in your post when you voted, then why were you waiting? Clearly you don't share my mindset of 'we should wait for everyone to speak' because you put suspicion on me for that, so what was your reasoning?

And I voted for Notme because "Vanilla townie" is a strange claim, and I didn't trust him because he lurked in game and made 1 post in Officer's chat.

Why didn't you say that in your post? Or like, ever, in the entire game? If you're town and want the people you think are suspicious to have attention so they might be lynched, which you must because that's what you say you want to happen with me:

in my opinion you just seem so suspicious, so of course I want focus to be on you?

why didn't you point out your suspicions of Notme beforehand? It just seems weird to me that you stayed silent and had apparently no opinions towards him until you wanted him to die, and instead of making a case for it like I'd kind of expect a townie to do like "guys I think they're mafia because x" you just voted him. Might be me but I find that weird.

I had nothing to say, do you want me to claim a role that I'm not and hand out fake information?

Of course not, having no information = / = must stay silent though. You had an opinion, which you expressed when you voted Notty, but why did you stay silent while we were 'wasting time' discussing it rather than say your opinion and vote her early on?

And at least I voted Notty, you seemed more resistant to that by abstaining.

I had said I planned to vote for her as soon as Notme spoke though so I didn't abstain, I waited.

 

[webpaige]

Why didn't you vote sooner then? Why did you stay silent for ages and then vote when it seemed like notty was inevitably going to be lynched? If the only information you had was "this person got that person as mafia in a report", and your mindset is "we should lynch that person because if they're innocent we have potential liars", which it was because that's what you said in your post when you voted, then why were you waiting? Clearly you don't share my mindset of 'we should wait for everyone to speak' because you put suspicion on me for that, so what was your reasoning?

Because A) I forgot there was a game of mafia going on and I came back and noticed I was mentioned by you and B) I was having a hard time focusing on the walls of text so I didn't have anything to contribute since I couldn't read those at the time. I saw no reason to wait to lynch because we either hit scum or we revealed scum in HK/Arelic/Fog, so town would be better off either way.

Why didn't you say that in your post? Or like, ever, in the entire game? If you're town and want the people you think are suspicious to have attention so they might be lynched, which you must because that's what you say you want to happen with me:

I thought it was fairly obvious why I voted but I guess not then

why didn't you point out your suspicions of Notme beforehand? It just seems weird to me that you stayed silent and had apparently no opinions towards him until you wanted him to die, and instead of making a case for it like I'd kind of expect a townie to do like "guys I think they're mafia because x" you just voted him. Might be me but I find that weird.

I was suspicious of Notme before, but I'm suspicious of everyone in this game. I only wanted him lynched when he became the most suspicious from my perspective.

Of course not, having no information = / = must stay silent though. You had an opinion, which you expressed when you voted Notty, but why did you stay silent while we were 'wasting time' discussing it rather than say your opinion and vote her early on?

Because repeating what others have said/telling everyone you have no information to contribute wastes people's times and interrupts the conversation or puts suspicion on me needlessly?

I had said I planned to vote for her as soon as Notme spoke though so I didn't abstain, I waited.

You also repeatedly defended her because she was the un-cc'd tracker even though her claim didn't fit into the game's theme and three people had spoken up against her on the first day.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

You also repeatedly defended her because she was the un-cc'd tracker even though her claim didn't fit into the game's theme and three people had spoken up against her on the first day.

Could you quote where I "defended" her then <3

Unless you mean when I was spit-balling ideas as to how she could be innocent but also saying we should vote for her, in which case I guess I can see how that could be perceived as defending in a way I guess?, but it was just spit balling ideas because at the end of the day she was uncc PR and in my opinion, whenever that's the case, caution is a good way to go about it, and to be fair I did make a post literally explaining why it was a good idea to lynch her

 

[Fog]

Her two votes this game have followed the same pattern

She has voted the two players who's named start NOT how suspicious

 

[Infected_alien8_]

tbh I don't know why I'm even focusing on paige, Ltin is clearly the most suspicious. I mean, just look at K1ng's death, RIGHT after he called Ltin 'Lyon'.

I am getting pretty concerned by your role playing Lyon. Maybe we are on to something about him being mafia!

The only sound heard coming from the medical bay was a muffled thump.

Lieutenant K1nghoward, the Chief Medical Officer, has been killed.

Clearly Ltin was offended and killed him.

 

[webpaige]

Could you quote where I "defended" her then <3

Honestly I'm not feeling like doing that right now I have something else I want to post

Unless you mean when I was spit-balling ideas as to how she could be innocent but also saying we should vote for her, in which case I guess I can see how that could be perceived as defending in a way I guess?, but it was just spit balling ideas because at the end of the day she was uncc PR and in my opinion, whenever that's the case, caution is a good way to go about it, and to be fair I did make a post literally explaining why it was a good idea to lynch her

Yes, but it would make sense for maf to try to defend their teammate in that way too.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Yes, but it would make sense for maf to try to defend their teammate in that way too.

Would it? If I was mafia and my buddy was guilty on a report, would I spit-ball about why they could be innocent and show caution like that, when it was pretty clear they were going to be lynched since I would have known they were in fact mafia so no information could have been brought forward to prove it otherwise? Idk man

 

[webpaige]

Would it? If I was mafia and my buddy was guilty on a report, would I spit-ball about why they could be innocent and show caution like that, when it was pretty clear they were going to be lynched since I would have known they were in fact mafia so no information could have been brought forward to prove it otherwise? Idk man

Yes?
If you could convince people early on that it was a bad idea to lynch Notty then that would be good for you if you were maf.
If you couldn't, then at least you appeared to be a cautious townie when she flipped.
You also partially forced HK to out to some extent, which did likely result in his death.
You might not be mafia but you are suspicious as hell

 

[Infected_alien8_]

If you could convince people early on that it was a bad idea to lynch Notty then that would be good for you if you were maf.

I mean sure, but what posts that I made ever gave you the impression that I was trying to make people think it was a bad idea to lynch Notty? I'm pretty sure I said right from the get-go that we should lynch Notty.

Anyway, with regards to the Notty vs Foggy situation, in my eyes it's entirely possible that both Notty and Foggy (and Arelic) are telling the truth, and that Notty has somehow been made to look mafia, or there's some other strange mechanic going against them, or that HK is lying and did visit Notty and made her seem mafia, or maybe HK is innocent too and therefore there's some other reason why Notty is lying - of course, in a situation like this, when there's no other leads, the best bet is probably to lynch off notty since it's likely enough that she is mafia, (sidenote - I doubt fog and arelic would make a lie like that just to lynch Notty off and then look suspicious afterwards if they were mafia [unless they've got some kind of 'Lynch this person to win' thing going on, which is absolutely possible]), and if Notty is innocent, we learn information about the setup in regards to not trusting investigations etc., but I would like to point out something I find interesting - Notty claimed Tracker and nobody has counter-claimed her, nobody has even voted her apart from Foggy, Arelic (who both claim to have an investigation against Notty, so it's obvious why they'd vote her) and HK (who Notty is accusing of visiting her so HK has his reasons), which suggests to me she's uncc tracker...another thing to note is that one of Foggy's abilities is to 'promote' someone to be able to track, however this, if I'm understanding it right, is just a one time thing and can only be done if he sacrifices the ability to use a one-time cop and a one-time blocker, but to me it seems underpowered to have a system like that where there's no town tracker but there is the small possibility of us using one, especially since I feel like there's not a huge amount of power roles in this game since last night went so fast, which suggests to me that Fog's role is probably more of a 'you can use one of these powers in the event that the original owner of said power is dead' and that 1) we have a town tracker and 2) Notty is uncc and therefore telling the truth, a name for a girl is Ruth.

That was my first post addressing the situation as a whole.

You also partially forced HK to out to some extent, which did likely result in his death.

Sure about that? Cuz I'm pretty sure I disproved this before as well, and that I literally asked nothing of HK other than extremely vague questions, such as:

Hk, can you say in what way it 'proves' Notty is mafia - is it just going to be your word against theirs again or is there something more solid

Which doesn't have to give any role information at all, he could easily have been any role and have answered yes or no to that question, and all of my other questions I asked as well.

You might not be mafia but you are suspicious as hell

You might not be mafia but I can't help but feel like you're just pushing the same stuff on me that I've already disproved, both to yourself and to unusual_dood, to try to get me lynched, because foggy keeps saying he think it's one of us and whenever he does that you seem to panic and try to argue that I'm mafia even though your arguments have been mentioned before and already countered \o/

 

[Fog]

You might not be mafia but I can't help but feel like you're just pushing the same stuff on me that I've already disproved, both to yourself and to unusual_dood, to try to get me lynched, because foggy keeps saying he think it's one of us and whenever he does that you seem to panic and try to argue that I'm mafia even though your arguments have been mentioned before and already countered \o/

This seems like a very Inf is panicked lets try and deflect paragraph

 

[Infected_alien8_]

This seems like a very Inf is panicked lets try and deflect paragraph

:thinking:

 

[webpaige]

You might not be mafia but I can't help but feel like you're just pushing the same stuff on me that I've already disproved, both to yourself and to unusual_dood, to try to get me lynched, because foggy keeps saying he think it's one of us and whenever he does that you seem to panic and try to argue that I'm mafia even though your arguments have been mentioned before and already countered \o/

I focus on you because I think you and Moog are bad. If I deflect it's because I know I'm not bad.

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Infected suspicious of Webpaige... Paige has to be town, then. Any other you think are mafias, Infected? I could really use more town reads.

 

[webpaige]

Infected suspicious of Webpaige... Paige has to be town, then. Any other you think are mafias, Infected? I could really use more town reads.

Please tell me you have a report on Inf, that'd make my day

 

[Deleted member 4601]

The extent at which Inffy is pushing for a paige lynch is slightly uncomfortable and awfully suspicious. I suspect the only reason he's doing this is because of Foggy's vote on paige to deflect attention away from himself.

Now that I think of it, was king killed because mafia somehow knew he was doctor, or was mafia just lucky? I fear there might be some sort of role cop going on here given how unu's not been targeted yet.

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Now that I think of it, was king killed because mafia somehow knew he was doctor, or was mafia just lucky? I fear there might be some sort of role cop going on here given how unu's not been targeted yet.

It would have been stupid for mafias to target me and likely lose a kill, due to a doctor. I am not sure how they knew King was doctor, they might have been lucky but I found it obvious that all in science chat was PRs and King also wondered after HKcapers death of how the doctor didn't see him as a likely target which could have been reasons for why King was killed.

 

[Deleted member 4601]

It would have been stupid for mafias to target me and likely lose a kill, due to a doctor. I am not sure how they knew King was doctor, they might have been lucky but I found it obvious that all in science chat was PRs and King also wondered after HKcapers death of how the doctor didn't see him as a likely target which could have been reasons for why King was killed.

I suppose in hindsight it seemed fairly obvious that King was the doctor, but there is hindsight bias here and hence room for some sort of role cop to exist if it wasn't a coincidence.

The distribution of mafia members across the different chats though is somewhat confusing right now, the more I think about it - I do think that you're most likely the cop, but that leaves no room for the mafia in your group, but it wouldn't make sense setup wise for all the mafia to be in the same chat either since that would give town quite a bit of an edge over mafia. It just seems like how the mafia is distributed across the chats might just be random, but at the same time it seems like roles might have something to do with the chats, thematically.

 

[Deleted member 4601]

The extent at which Inffy is pushing for a paige lynch is slightly uncomfortable and awfully suspicious. I suspect the only reason he's doing this is because of Foggy's vote on paige to deflect attention away from himself.

The reason I'm saying this is that if you read through Inffy's justification for his suspicion on paige, you realise how it really boils down to three central points, two of them really similar: voting for Notty and then Notme without having much of an opinion on them prior to the vote, and just generally giving of a negative vibe because she seems to be panicking.

These are really really weak arguments.

The first two arguments can generally be said by anyone who was convinced to jump onto the bandwagon, and given the circumstances they were convincing, somewhat. The third - I don't see how paige is panicking. Granted, the same can be said about paige having a suspicion on Inffy for the sake of pushing attention away from herself, but the extent to which Inffy seems confident about this is unnervingly suspicious. Right now there seems to be the most votes on paige, though there really isn't much of a reason to lynch her as much as we should lynch, say, Inffy himself, which makes the whole situation more difficult for us. Inffy ought to justify himself more if he's truly town, and as for paige, her actions don't seem to say much about her alignment, for now.

Also, Unusual_Dood, any leads, or is it better for us if you don't share them?