let's not explode [day 5 - GAME OVER (MAFIA WIN)]
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
except not really
when you're a townie, your main concern is scumhunting. when you're a scum, your main concern is appearing town-like to avoid getting lynched.
ltin to me appears as someone who is not seeming townlike, rather as someone that wants to appear townlike, which is somewhat suspicious because why the fuck is that your main concern at d1 as a townie, except if you're a scum, you perceive suspicions as much more threatening, which makes you want to appear more town-like, leading to overdoing it among less experienced or talented players. the point where most townies start thinking about how to show they're town is when they're thrown in the suspicion limelight, whereas ltin was doing it earlier than the first fos on him.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Okay fair enough, and after reading the page I missed and seeing Aqua's post about Ltin's posts I can kind of see where the suspicion is coming from because he has made some pretty confusing posts it seems, but I disagree that his main objective is to appear Townie. He's been contradicting himself and throwing suspicion on people since the beginning. If his main objective at the front of his mind is to appear Townie and rid of any suspicion he sure isn't doing a good job, and in my opinion I don't think he is doing that. I mean I could be completely wrong about this but I just don't see the whole "Ltin is trying to be too townie" when he voted Aqua for meming and said we should lynch Aqua based on pretty much no evidence. If he was Mafia he wouldn't do any of those things surely, because he's putting suspicion on people. But please point something out if I'm still missing something.
That could just as easily clear me as condemn me.
If your claims are correct, then it is possible that my main concern is to be town-like to avoid getting lynched.
Also according to your claims my main concern could be scumhunting, meaning I'm not paying much attention to whether I appear scummy or not, and therefor possibly acting suspicious.
Long story short according to your post if I'm scum I try to act innocent, and if I'm innocent I don't care if I act scummy or not.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
yes that is precisely the point my post, albeit simplified enough to make it a strawman
the main problem with this is that you literally say in your next post that he looks like a confused (read: unskilled) player, which means that yes, he's not doing a good job, because, guess what, he's not that good
yes, that's the "he's not that good" part
yes, that's the overeager to look townie part. since you gotta look town, you're overeager to look like you're scumhunting, while also providing us with vague stuff like "excessive claiming hurts the town" and "my enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend"
everything is subjective and should be taken with a grain of salt, and i know that ltin is probably a townie. the point is, out of all the people, he looks most likely to be scum, and even if that likelyhood is objectively small, say 10%, then it's even smaller for everyone else in my eyes, which is why i'm voting for him
mariosatr
Imperator Romanus Sacer
<--- inactive wow
after thinking it through, i'm pulling out from no-lynch, because it hurts the game as a whole kinda and also helps the mafia, giving them an extra night to kill people soooo
...but anyways this still seems a little too far-fetched for me, ltin does act a little suspicious from what you've said but not enough to warrant a lynch imo, and i'll explain why
though it might be nice to get the ball rolling on this game, personally i don't think ltin is actually scum, he just seems to want to spark discussion and a lynch, maybe frustrated with a long day 0? honestly i believe he's just as likely as any of us, a good mafia will act completely normal (i.e. how ender is acting, he could well be mafia or town) and avoid suspicion, a bad one will try too hard (i.e. ltin), i don't think it's fair to differentiate and discuss based on actions solely, events spark the game and discussion needed to judge and gauge people's reactions, which we have none of
i'm starting to lean towards a lynch on someone, but i'm not convinced enough to lynch ltin as of yet
but regardless
#unvote
after thinking it through, i'm pulling out from no-lynch, because it hurts the game as a whole kinda and also helps the mafia, giving them an extra night to kill people soooo
...but anyways this still seems a little too far-fetched for me, ltin does act a little suspicious from what you've said but not enough to warrant a lynch imo, and i'll explain why
though it might be nice to get the ball rolling on this game, personally i don't think ltin is actually scum, he just seems to want to spark discussion and a lynch, maybe frustrated with a long day 0? honestly i believe he's just as likely as any of us, a good mafia will act completely normal (i.e. how ender is acting, he could well be mafia or town) and avoid suspicion, a bad one will try too hard (i.e. ltin), i don't think it's fair to differentiate and discuss based on actions solely, events spark the game and discussion needed to judge and gauge people's reactions, which we have none of
i'm starting to lean towards a lynch on someone, but i'm not convinced enough to lynch ltin as of yet
but regardless
#unvote
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Okay I see where you're coming from now. Just to clarify, by 'confused' I didn't mean "unskilled", I just thought he was simply confused by the set-up, which is why I wasn't using the idea of him being "unskilled" in my thought process behind my posts, but I haven't played any other games with Ltin so I guess you could be right and this is his play-style. But yeah, whilst I agree that he's most likely Town, I understand your reasoning now, apologies.
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
((Jokes on me turns out I got wifi))
Honestly yeah Ltin looks kind of like they're trying too hard and ending up a mess... Uncertain if that's enough grounds on which to vote them though
Honestly yeah Ltin looks kind of like they're trying too hard and ending up a mess... Uncertain if that's enough grounds on which to vote them though
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
final post for a bit for me, as i'll be participating in the national debating championships over the weekend
anyway, the game is at a stage where there are close to no events to shape it, that's why i'm voting based purely on behaviour and it's actually also why the first few days usually suck, but we gotta get through them somehow and the way we do that is by behavioural analysis
which is not to say that behavioural analysis isn't important in the late game, right now it's just pretty much the only thing to base our decisions on
mariosatr
Imperator Romanus Sacer
honestly i agree, it's kinda frustrating since i really don't think ltin has any more chance of being mafia than the rest of us so i don't think i should vote him, but then again that's the only thing we got as you said, and looking at what people are saying a no lynch is out of the question so might as well get the ball rolling a little bit
#vote ltin
...because he strikes me as someone who's just trying way too hard to force things (or lynches) to happen in the first place based on not a lot
Votecount - The one where Notty's findings are confirmed and expanded upon
Aqua - Ooglie (1/8)
Ltin - Hunter Aqua Oak Ender Mario (5/8)
Hunter - Notty (1/8)
Not Voting - Caffeinated Mulbery Infected Jolt Kalliee Runemen Ltin Mastersten (8/15)
15 living so 8 to no-ylnch or lynch
Aqua - Ooglie (1/8)
Ltin - Hunter Aqua Oak Ender Mario (5/8)
Hunter - Notty (1/8)
Not Voting - Caffeinated Mulbery Infected Jolt Kalliee Runemen Ltin Mastersten (8/15)
15 living so 8 to no-ylnch or lynch
Looking back, there is a chance that Ltin is a townie however his constant push for trying to look like a townie looks very suspicious. If you were a townie for instance, you wouldn't necessarily try that hard to look like one. To me, it looks like Ltin would be the most suspicious person and if he doesn't justify himself then I'll have to vote Ltin.
#vote ltin
#vote ltin
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Honestly I personally think Ltin's apparently forcefulness of appearing Townie is literally because he is one and was being put under suspicion so to remedy it he tried to appear Townie so he wasn't lynched. That being said it doesn't look like anything else is going to happen, and of course I could be completely wrong and Ltin could be evil.
I won't vote just yet because I'd like to hear what Kallie and Mul have to say before the day ends and I'm worried we'll vote ltin off before that happens \o/
I won't vote just yet because I'd like to hear what Kallie and Mul have to say before the day ends and I'm worried we'll vote ltin off before that happens \o/
Ltin hasn't really defended himself up to this point meaning that a) he's given up or b) he's staying quiet on purpose.
I don't see how staying quiet OR giving up is beneficial to the town if you're a towny that's getting lynched.
I don't see how staying quiet OR giving up is beneficial to the town if you're a towny that's getting lynched.
I don't see how to defend myself.
How do you defend against "you're trying too hard to be town"?
Act more town like?
Or do you want me to claim?
If there's a cc then you have someone to lynch later.
But if there isn't a claim was wasted and we would still have to lynch someone.
How do you defend against "you're trying too hard to be town"?
Act more town like?
Or do you want me to claim?
If there's a cc then you have someone to lynch later.
But if there isn't a claim was wasted and we would still have to lynch someone.
Mastersten
In Omnia Paratus
where's Infected_alien8_ with his morgan freeman voice to save the day and summarise what happened the past 4 pages