Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[HKCaper]

And that's also why I feel that mafia is exactly hunting for saints because otherwise I wouldn't know why mafia would target sessy. This makes Aqua's push to full claim also suspicious.

the pool is already really small, dont give maf more time to hide, force them to make a claim

 

[Vatumok]

In that case Aqua can explain first before I make my claim

 

[Unusual_Dood]

I was in chat with Skele last night. I was trying to get some reads from him, but he just made one post and nothing more for the entire night.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I am not sure why you are defending Aqua in a weird way HK. Fog clearly wasn't -scummy- af when he flipped town, I even warned people about that. Everyone can do weird shit and it seemed like Aqua just jumped onto an opportunity. Also to scum it would be obvious that sinners are town plus it's also hinted in the game description. I think for people experienced in mafia it was fairly easy to deduce sinners are VTs in this game and I don't believe Aqua would play this illogically as town. That's why I believe he has been making chaos plays to do as much dmg before he gets lynched, hence why I want to get him lynched today.

and yet you voted for fog and said you could see him as scum ?

I genuinely did forget TWG lol, I don't suspect him as much same with skele

Honestly I want Inf to claim first and foremost - he pushed back against the massclaim yesterday despite it definitely being the best move and honestly part of me believes it's because he didn't have a claim.

what it wasn't the best move

like i said yesterday the only reason to massclaim yesterday instead of tomorrow was if it could change the outcome of the day, which realistically it wouldn't have done, and you agreed with me on that

i will claim though since i agree its a good time to do it today

im Saint Cassidy. i visit someone at night and if they've dealt with the devil the previous night, i undo the deal and any consequences resulting from it cancel (no i dont have any flavour of how this works, sue me)

last night i visited vat, since after noone came out as making a deal, and fog flipped inno, i decided maf can most likely make deals and the devil can only accept 1 per night and they chose to accept a maf's hence why they didnt come forward about it, and vat's vote on fog was gross so he became my #1 suspect last night. also it took him ages to answer me on whether he thought it would be a good idea to make a deal night 1 and i think it's since maybe he wasn't sure whether he should admit it or not and hoped id forget about it so he could pretend he didnt see it and never have to answer

i was actually planning on visiting alisha n2 which is why i randomly said '1' at one point to softclaim who i was gonna visit in case i died that night but after fog's flip i found it highly unlikely i would die so i figured changing my target would be fine and visiting alisha after that instead of vat felt like a waste

but yeah im like 95% sure vat is scum at this point

 

[Alisha]

what it wasn't the best move

like i said yesterday the only reason to massclaim yesterday instead of tomorrow was if it could change the outcome of the day, which realistically it wouldn't have done, and you agreed with me on that

i will claim though since i agree its a good time to do it today

im Saint Cassidy. i visit someone at night and if they've dealt with the devil the previous night, i undo the deal and any consequences resulting from it cancel (no i dont have any flavour of how this works, sue me)

last night i visited vat, since after noone came out as making a deal, and fog flipped inno, i decided maf can most likely make deals and the devil can only accept 1 per night and they chose to accept a maf's hence why they didnt come forward about it, and vat's vote on fog was gross so he became my #1 suspect last night. also it took him ages to answer me on whether he thought it would be a good idea to make a deal night 1 and i think it's since maybe he wasn't sure whether he should admit it or not and hoped id forget about it so he could pretend he didnt see it and never have to answer

i was actually planning on visiting alisha n2 which is why i randomly said '1' at one point to softclaim who i was gonna visit in case i died that night but after fog's flip i found it highly unlikely i would die so i figured changing my target would be fine and visiting alisha after that instead of vat felt like a waste

but yeah im like 95% sure vat is scum at this point

so your role is to protect town from itself

i find this highly believable considering CERTAIN OTHER GAMES had roles like this and nobody believed it was possible ,so i can see a role like this existing!

 

[Alisha]

also there's a possibility devil deals enable kills on future nights

 

[Alisha]

also i just unlocked Azazel for 3 devil deals on TBOI so I promise I'm letting the temptations out in a consequence free setting!

 

[Alisha]

also Fog must be avenged, that lynch was a clear case of everyone piling up on someone attempting to make sense but not making sense - yeah he kinda buried himself but it was very easy to pile on to it.

 

[Alisha]

also Aqua confirming a couple sinners is something i didn't see coming

I'm interested in any potential counterclaims from this

Also why kill Sessy?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Also why kill Sessy?

that’s tomorrow’s quest be patient <33

maybe

 

[HKCaper]

i decided maf can most likely make deals and the devil can only accept 1 per night and they chose to accept a maf's hence why they didnt come forward about it, and vat's vote on fog was gross so he became my #1 suspect last night.

do you think the devil is maf or? just getting things straight no clue if youve said before.

Also why kill Sessy?

generally trusted, and had not claimed sinner. therefore a possible town pr that would very likely not be lynched at any point,

 

[Alisha]

maybe

that seems so obvious it can't possibly be the reason but then again Vat has many legitimate reasons to be shady

 

[Infected_alien8_]

do you think the devil is maf or? just getting things straight no clue if youve said before.

prob 3p? not sure, but if they are maf, the maf deals must have bad consequences as well as good consequences, giving a motivation for sometimes the maf not making deals, since otherwise why would the devil ever accept a town's deal instead of a maf one

 

[HKCaper]

maybe

could be. i thought aqua or I would be the ones to go (since i still trust aqua quite a bit), but seeing how vat seems to be fairly for a lynch against aqua or me he might have thought he could lynch one of us today. then again, that makes a little too much sense and therefore i deem it wifom. also, who would be on his team?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

that seems so obvious it can't possibly be the reason but then again Vat has many legitimate reasons to be shady

i could see him doing it and relying on wifom of 'thats too obvious' to save him though

 

[Infected_alien8_]

could be. i thought aqua or I would be the ones to go (since i still trust aqua quite a bit), but seeing how vat seems to be fairly for a lynch against aqua or me he might have thought he could lynch one of us today. then again, that makes a little too much sense and therefore i deem it wifom. also, who would be on his team?

im guessing two of skele/beta/twg/unu

are you gonna claim after vat does?

 

[HKCaper]

what puzzles me the most it these supposed consequences. both track and roleblock 1 shots can be really strong, so if the devil can give a townie one of those for a night, they must have something to gain. considering this, if the devil is mafia, giving a townie something like that must have some serious benefits. but if that was the case, why did the devil decline giving fog a message 1 shot? that doesnt add up.

3p devil starting to make sense.

 

[HKCaper]

are you gonna claim after vat does?

im definitely claiming today, hopefully right after vat, but if he's stubborn ill even go before him.

 

[Alisha]

im definitely claiming today, hopefully right after vat, but if he's stubborn ill even go before him.

vat claims next

 

[Vatumok]

I'll just claim if that means we can move on. I am poor sinner scarlett and I haven't chosen to make a deal with the devil n1 or n2. Because I'm a sinner as well it was big reason why I originally trusted alisha or timdood in my first reads as they explained the mechanics. About why I flipped on Fog Infected_alien8_ is because I wanted to avoid a NL and Fog was still an alright lynch all things considered, I just would've preferred somethign else.

 

[Alisha]

I'll just claim if that means we can move on. I am poor sinner scarlett and I haven't chosen to make a deal with the devil n1 or n2. Because I'm a sinner as well it was big reason why I originally trusted alisha or timdood in my first reads as they explained the mechanics. About why I flipped on Fog Infected_alien8_ is because I wanted to avoid a NL and Fog was still an alright lynch all things considered, I just would've preferred somethign else.

you said to save lynching me for a later day on day 0???

i wouldn't call that trusting me

 

[Vatumok]

Also another reason why I was okay with Fog lynch later on is because it was pushed by Inffy and sessy who I both started townreading when I looked more into the game. That's why I am also being more suspect of people like Aqua who seem to be chaos playing and pushing innocents.

 

[Vatumok]

you said to save lynching me for a later day on day 0???

i wouldn't call that trusting me

Obviously I didn't blindly trust you, what I meant to say with that message is that I didn't want to lynch you d0 but that I would reconsider it later.

 

[HKCaper]

I'll just claim if that means we can move on. I am poor sinner scarlett and I haven't chosen to make a deal with the devil n1 or n2. Because I'm a sinner as well it was big reason why I originally trusted alisha or timdood in my first reads as they explained the mechanics. About why I flipped on Fog @Infected_alien8_ is because I wanted to avoid a NL and Fog was still an alright lynch all things considered, I just would've preferred somethign else.

however, from his last post i did get a slight vibe he's sinner or atleast going to claim sinner.

Saint Christopher, each night I can protect a player from one lethal attack
N1: protect aqua
N2: protect sessy

hence why I trust aqua so much (even more than I already did day 0) and suspect I was roleblocked last night.

(have dinner now so ill be back in a bit)

 

[Alisha]

Saint Christopher, each night I can protect a player from one lethal attack
N1: protect aqua
N2: protect sessy

hence why I trust aqua so much (even more than I already did day 0) and suspect I was roleblocked last night.

(have dinner now so ill be back in a bit)

thank you for your service