Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Aqua]

yeah thats why i said im down to lynch vat if UNU doesnt get the votes

but realistically i think 3/4 of unu/vat/beta/twg are scum anyway so i think the chance of us hitting scum in the next 2 days as long as we lynch one of them each time is 100%, and UNU cant be cleared so id rather get him out of the way before mylo

I mean let's be generous and assume that at the very least skele (or you, or I) could also be mafia so it's more like a 3/5.

if we kill unu now and he is town we mylo with a potential 1/3 chance of me hitting scum, meaning if I don't the lynch tomorrow is gonna be a 50/50 with no solid evidence.

if we kill vat now and he is town we mylo tomorrow with a 1/2 chance of me hitting scum, meaning the lynch tomorrow will be a 100% chance of getting scum (assuming one of the sinners is scum).

Vat is the more statistically probable outcome for town.

 

[Aqua]

or you mightve died and we wouldnt know alisha is inno

a) we don't know alisha is inno
b) there would be pretty strong reads to go off anyway

 

[Aqua]

Also I've just realised if inf is right and mafia have to make DWTDs to get their pr's, that means there won't be a block tonight as Tim made the DTWD yesterday

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I mean let's be generous and assume that at the very least skele (or you, or I) could also be mafia so it's more like a 3/5.

if we kill unu now and he is town we mylo with a potential 1/3 chance of me hitting scum, meaning if I don't the lynch tomorrow is gonna be a 50/50 with no solid evidence.

if we kill vat now and he is town we mylo tomorrow with a 1/2 chance of me hitting scum, meaning the lynch tomorrow will be a 100% chance of getting scum (assuming one of the sinners is scum).

Vat is the more statistically probable outcome for town.

true, but since im in the spot of "leave me alive til tomorrow since i can prove myself" im just applying that same principle to vat so it feels wrong lynching him, but you make a good point

a) we don't know alisha is inno
b) there would be pretty strong reads to go off anyway

a) maf having poor sinner roles makes no sense to me
b) yeah like alisha being scummy

honestly if alisha werent proven poor sinner via your claim i would probably be wanting to lynch her today

 

[Infected_alien8_]

vote vat

 

[Aqua]

fuck it

unvote
vote vat

 

[Timdood3]

Fine, I forgot about inf saying that I get told my deal is undone.
Still salty I'm going to lose my ability but maybe it's for the best?

Unvote

I'd vote Vat now but idk what the count is at right now

 

[Aqua]

Fine, I forgot about inf saying that I get told my deal is undone.
Still salty I'm going to lose my ability but maybe it's for the best?

Unvote

I'd vote Vat now but idk what the count is at right now

2 votes I believe...

Honestly I'm still not convinced that inf's role is townie tho, even if it does inform you.

We still don't know what the unforeseen consequences for town are... so I'm apprehensive in letting you keep your PR but at the same time a tracker or blocker is far more useful than inf's role

 

[Aqua]

Good Skele what was said in your dm with unu btw?

I don't remember you guys saying

 

[Alisha]

Inf's ability could easily be the devil deal goes through and the devil gets the power, but prevents the sinner gaining the power they agreed to

psh y'all give up too easily

 

[Aqua]

Inf's ability could easily be the devil deal goes through and the devil gets the power, but prevents the sinner gaining the power they agreed to

psh y'all give up too easily

I suppose it would depend on the message Tim receives, if it does elaborate that ALL consequences are undone then I guess I could believe it, even with all the other surmountable evidence against inf...

Eitherway we can always lynch inf later, as town our best move is to hit a scum, and by lynching vat I'm pretty confident we will hit one either today or tomorrow.

Timdood3 honestly I think it's best to let inf go through with it, hopefully if he is mafia, it doesn't boost the unforeseen consequences, but right now we can't risk mafia having an extra nightkill or something similar.

 

[Alisha]

Eitherway we can always lynch inf later, as town our best move is to hit a scum, and by lynching vat I'm pretty confident we will hit one either today or tomorrow.

that's what he wants you to think

 

[Aqua]

that's what he wants you to think

why are you like this

 

[Alisha]

this game is inf being that friend that keeps stealing your video games and you suspect it's him but every time you bring the subject up he woos you with his silver tongue and you forget he was even stealing video games at all for a while

 

[Alisha]

why are you like this

uh

que?

 

[Vatumok]

Killing sinner today is definitely the right choice today, though I don't have much defense for myself. Now that I'm less tired I can make a slightly better defense. All I can say is you probably think I'm evil cuz I dont value consistency a lot in game. Besides that, the Aqua and HK team didn't come out of nowhere, I've been saying before Fog even got lynched that if he turns town I will look at HK and Aqua for the next day. Besides that it seems veyr probably that 2 of the saint claims seem to be lying so that could be Aqua + HK or 2 out of Inffy/Unu/Skele.
For the rest I'm at least trying to be active right now so Weak is better shot for today. He literally just claimed "poor sinner joe" when he got pushed and I doubt he will become active later. I know Weak/Jobbiis from discord mafia and I would expect him to talk differently and at least contribute more as town. You can then confirm me tomorrow (assuming you are not lying) and we're good.

 

[Vatumok]

Also for people who say my swap to Fog was scummy, my reasoning for that was because I started townreading sessy and inffy during that day. That's why I had a decent feeling about the lynch and reconsidered voting for him and even if he flipped town my suspicious would go to Aqua/HK. I was legit one of the few that was trying to defend/townread him so I am not sure how that got turned around on me.

 

[Alisha]

Killing sinner today is definitely the right choice today, though I don't have much defense for myself. Now that I'm less tired I can make a slightly better defense. All I can say is you probably think I'm evil cuz I dont value consistency a lot in game. Besides that, the Aqua and HK team didn't come out of nowhere, I've been saying before Fog even got lynched that if he turns town I will look at HK and Aqua for the next day. Besides that it seems veyr probably that 2 of the saint claims seem to be lying so that could be Aqua + HK or 2 out of Inffy/Unu/Skele.
For the rest I'm at least trying to be active right now so Weak is better shot for today. He literally just claimed "poor sinner joe" when he got pushed and I doubt he will become active later. I know Weak/Jobbiis from discord mafia and I would expect him to talk differently and at least contribute more as town. You can then confirm me tomorrow (assuming you are not lying) and we're good.

see i can verify vat is correct on his metaread on twg

 

[Timdood3]

I definitely agree with the sentiment of "at least he's trying" over an inactive when the two players are equally likely on paper to be scum.
Sure, I'm willing to lynch twg instead.

 

[Alisha]

see i can verify vat is correct on his metaread on twg

then again vat plays differently on forum to discord

but twg is being so different right now compared to other games on the forum

so i'll give that metaread a C+

 

[Vatumok]

then again vat plays differently on forum to discord

but twg is being so different right now compared to other games on the forum

so i'll give that metaread a C+

Biggest reason I distrust TWG is cuz I trust Beta over him and I doubt that there are 3 saints lying about their role (assuming there are 3 mafia). Though it is worth calling out his normal behaviour and I don't even see it as meta-reading tbh. Even if I am slightly different in forum mafia I do change my mind a lot and don't value consistency discord too.

 

[Alisha]

Biggest reason I distrust TWG is cuz I trust Beta over him and I doubt that there are 3 saints lying about their role (assuming there are 3 mafia). Though it is worth calling out his normal behaviour and I don't even see it as meta-reading tbh. Even if I am slightly different in forum mafia I do change my mind a lot and don't value consistency discord too.

I doubt 3 of the 5 saints are lying too

 

[Vatumok]

I doubt 3 of the 5 saints are lying too

How many of them do you think are lying then?

 

[Alisha]

How many of them do you think are lying then?

2 max

 

[Vatumok]

Also something that I just thought of, Unu and Skele are unlikely to both be scum as they were in a night chat. This could've been good acting but I doubt that they would play it like that. It's looking more likely to me that Skele + WeakGuy + Inffy or maybe still Beta are the scum team. This could've been the reason Inffy was pushing that the scum were between Unu/Beta/Me/Weak so that he can set up for a good MYLO tomorrow. For some reason I still can't fully trust Aqua/HK based on their play but it wouldn't make that much sense for them to be scum at this point.