Okay so, I really never got a chance to read over everything that was posted today until now due to classes and such, so I finally was able to sit down and finally be able to post my thoughts on possible lynching targets, however, while I was reading, I noticed some additional info I wanted to give my opinion on regarding the digitalmez case.
And if you all so disagree with voting digi, then give anyone else to lynch or give a very very good reason to no-lynch because just saying not voting digi isnt enough. Because someone has to be voted on. And digi could claim a role, that would make it easier.
Personally, no, I don't want digi to claim a role. There really is no point in doing so anyways. The only choices that digi can be if we want to leave out the idea that she was saved by the medic is that she is either the Elite Civilian or the Serial killer. However, even if we add in all the other roles that digi could be if it indeed was the doctor who saved her, the idea of claiming her role still doesn't make a difference.
You know what (serious) role-claiming does? Role-claiming lessens the pool of people that stands between the Mafia and any town sided Power Role currently in play. If Digi is indeed town-sided (and yes, there is still the chance digi was saved by the medic but is actually Mafia) and decides to role-claim to try and boost her chances of defending herself, then that merely gives the Mafia a tactical advantage, as they can try to pick out a random person whom has not already been assumed, and thus, have a greater chance at killing a power-role, which is not fun.
Plus, role-claiming this early?... Doesn't sound like a good idea. That's gotten A LOT of major power roles (primarily the cop) lynched early in the game, and allows tricky little tactics like that Contact/Cop switcharoo last Season to occur, which, if you are town-sided, knows that such an event to come to pass is quite devastating.
Following with that---
Yes, I am Sherlock Holmes. Did I not tell you that? Watched some movies about him, hes a geart detective. But i'm not gonna talk about that. Outing herself is better than dying by chance. And she could lie if she really needed to protect her role. We'll only need to see if she is a good liar then =P
Yes, if digi had to (but thanks to very good arguments she doesn't), she could reveal her role to protect herself still. And yet--- Lying isn't really all that helpful is it?
Once again, if we're only looking at Serial Killer/Elite Civ debate, the only role that wouldn't immediately set up red flags would be to claim to be the Elite Civ, which people it seems can easily doubt and call it off as a lie and (possibly) proceed with a lynch anyways.
What else?... Well... The only way to not give hints or suspicion that you are BOTH either a MAFIA or TOWN SIDED role, she can only really say that she is a normal Civilian with no extra roles attached.
- Claiming Doctor won't do any good, could explain surviving first night, yet it leaves the doctor open and no longer anonymous to save anyone else without merely dying the next or following night
- Cop? Unless you found a Mafia on Night 1, which is unlikely (though not impossible) is also a waste of as it also gives away your anonymity and you would be providing no help to the discussion other than possible distrust and confusion.
- Vigilante? Possibly, yet it still leaves you drastically open to Mafia and Serial killer attacks and once again, lessens that small pool of potential power-roles that the Serial killer and Mafia can pick off that much easier.
- Any other roles primarily involve either Independent or Mafia-sided, and really no one would normally side with you if you claimed those roles, as if you claimed Mafia, well... Your dead, obviously, and independent roles like lyncher and fanboy only work if you win, and you win alone. The town doesn't take part in that victory.
Very few choices to claim. Claiming is normally bad anyways (in my opinion) unless the event calls for it. Asking digi to claim doesn't entirely help us as much as it does to roles against the town, and honestly, it actually DOES make you suspicious in my eyes. It's not very practical at this stage.
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And yet... Despite this and EVERYTHING that has been mentioned involving the Digitalmez case that has been given by both myself, the lovely Kylieanna, digi herself, and everyone else if they have argued against the idea...
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I was actually going to say this last night during one of my postings, however, it was quite late and I didn't have enough time to mention it nor did I fully get a chance to think of it fully due to replying and reading the Sjaakieto fiasco...
Honestly... (and after reading everything, and thinking about it, and not really thinking of a good defense for it...)
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I really don't entirely think this whole aggressive push on digitalmez justifies Notty to be a Mafia member, or something along those lines.
Right now I'm really craning my neck at the idea but...
I think my reasoning for this goes along the same lines as why I was against Notty's argument originally.
What was Notty's argument against digi?: Well... To me, it was quite silly in my opinion.
And yet, why can we defend digi by saying that such an argument is so silly it cannot be used as a discussion chip, and not do it the same in the opposite direction: That is, Notty's argument (once again in my opinion), felt really silly (at first), that it couldn't entirely be justified and really doesn't have the ability to gain backing for the rest of the town?
Why would a Mafia member do something like that.
Yes, aggressive pushing is a notable tactic that the Mafia can use, and yet, if the reasoning is flawed enough the the town turns against the idea, why use it? That is something I would ask.
Personally, if anything, Notty is probably the Lyncher or a normal and nothing more (even though he claims Elite Civ, yep, I check the forums constantly while I write this to see if anyone spoke).
Personally, If it must come down to this, I do plan to step back and refrain from voting for today if it has to be a choice between Notty and Digital, both whom, at the moment, I do not see to be entirely a threat to the town or have affiliation to the Mafia at the moment.
If anything, I would love to go back to square one with something both Oak and Balloon said, that being:
Yeah digi you might want to explain if you are a role with two lives to clear something up
So thankg god we can start out with a mafia death unlike other seasons where it takes us ten years to find one. Question is who was marn with and why would they take out 77?
I suppose the other alternative we have failed to think of is Digi IS the doctor and protected herself this round although PLEASE don't let that be the case either way it looks like we are a step up on the mafia this game! But balloon is on the right track, why would they pick 77 out of all people?
And YES, I KNOW ITS NOT THE BEST OF STARTING PLACES.
Because it does have a lot of holes, and is probably largely on speculation and really doesn't entirely assist in actual evidence...
However it still can probably spark some debate about something, and it could possibly lead to some interesting ideas or theories or whatever, and thus, we can get moving on possibly more controversial, though much more beneficial (in my opinion) then this discussion has lead us to thus far.
IN FACT, you know whom I want to hear from?
Defiant_Blob . We know Defiant is a fairly skilled player in the Mafia scene (though I do admit, I was slightly disappointed in Season 5 though with no offense), from past experience seeing him play, he tends to have a lot to say on matters involving Mafia and its current status and how far we've come in the discussion. As he's one of the few older players in this season, I think it might be an interesting read if he had anything.
Of course, we could still answer any questions @Aloha102 wants to give us to possibly spur some conversation. (he did give one awhile back.
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But again, as it stands, I'm going to have to remain neutral in the current situation.
((My reasoning to defend Notty may be flawed, because I'm thinking its flawed currently and can't entirely figure out the whole idea again which I was thinking of last night but...))
I'm probably going to stick to this position for now.
This was not meant to sway anyone's votes whom have already been cast so far, but I just wanted to get something out (hopefully) before Notty was lynched, which I'm glad hasn't happened yet. \o/
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Also, although this has nothing to do with the discussion above...: You guys are busting down to much on storm for taking Notty's side so quickly and early. Some other people have done the same too, as well as in the past.
I have been reading along and this is what I am thinking so I will vote Digitalmez
(in a reply by agreeing to storm)
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