Mafia Season 6

[JKangaroo]

Yeah big question why is Defiant vote hopping since I feel me and harmak are the only people seeing this Defiant please explain?

It looks essentially like what Sjaakieto did;
Instead of randomly role-claiming, he is voting for random people at random times without evidence.
He's essentially acting silly.

Though I can somewhat see it as a way to spark discussion (similar to what Alpha did, despite me seeing it as a very bad way of sparking the discussion with such controversial and not backed by much evidence), it's not really helping the discussion.
This is not the Defiant I remember in past Seasons.

I don't consider Defiant suspicious because of this, so I've generally been ignoring these posts, because they aren't adding things to the discussion, and its obvious he's acting a bit silly with it.
I mean seriously, just look at that:

The next person to talk gets my vote.

I still don't entirely believe Defiant is the lyncher, since some of the previous posts still don't entirely add up to me, but as of this moment, I don't believe these random votes or any other posts (that I can see/remember) really scream out to me as anti-town.
So, Defiant's current situation to me is: He's just acting silly.

In terms of a No Lynch (as I'm seeing people do that), I don't think we can really afford no-lynching unless we directly kill off a Mafia or the serial killer.
(since there are 12 player lefts, 4 anti-town, if an Elite Civ is not attacked, and none of the 3 killer parties decide not to go forth and attack, than we have 3 deaths a night. If no lynch is taken place to day, we are reduced to 9 players, 4 anti-town, 3 of which are Mafia, making a ratio of 6>3. The Mafia could win easily by that point unless the vigilante and the serial killer kill off 2 Mafia members)

Mafia games (if we didn't have all this discussion), would be over quite quickly because of how large the death-pool each night is if all 3 parties (that can kill) are still alive.
I don't think we can afford that kind of risk.

 

[storm886]

Update on the vote so that we don't get confused:

Alpha102: 1
balloon98: 1

No lynch: 1

Due to Kylie replacing her abstain with a no lynch, you now need 8 votes to lynch someone.

 

[Dess]

Psst I no lynched too. ANyways Defiant is more thank likely doing this to get the game moving. Judge actions?

 

[Alisha]

Players left in the game:
Me
Defiant_Blob
storm866
Harmak_Paul
balloon98
dessern5
mariosatr
JKangaroo
Kylieanna
DillonSaysRawr
MustabearXD
Jeff0521

Jeff0521 and MustabearXD, I would like to hear your thoughts on what has happened since Nottykitten's lynch.

I am also going to ask HarmakPaul, Jeff0521, and MustabearXD to explain their votes on Nottykitten, as I could not find their analysis of their votes while I was looking back through the thread.

Survived & voted for Nottykitten: storm866, dessern5, Jeff0521, balloon98, HarmakPaul, Kylieanna, MustabearXD
Survived & voted for Hockey: mariosatr, Defiant_Blob

 

[Alisha]

I also want to note that Sjaakieto voiced Jeff0521 as possibly a mafia, and Sjaakieto is a confirmed innocent now.

 

[MustabearXD]

Well since Notty was found innocent, I was in shock. I had my suspicion on him since he had flopped around on the topic of digitalmez. First he wanted digi lynched, and then after "evidence" was given notty retracted his vote. Then later he put his vote back on digi regarding her defense. This raised some suspicion, and I also couldn't trust Notty after the last season wherehe manipulated the town. I put my vote on him because I didn't feel comfortable beleiving he was town sided.

 

[Alisha]

Wait, there's 14 left. Okay, now I'm annoyed.

Lack of a players list at the beginning is throwing me off. I think vati's still in the game, who's the last person? :S

 

[Alisha]

Okay, I BELIEVE Digitalmez is still alive. Gosh, I'm really annoyed that I messed up the player count.

 

[Dess]

storm886
balloon98
digitalmez
Marnixxie
mariosatr
Sjaakieto
Dessern5
Nottykitten
DillonSaysRawr
77_is_the_best
MustabearXD
Old_Man_Oak_63
JKangaroo
Alpha102
Hockeyfan1852
Kylieanna
vati180
HarmakPaul
Defiant_Blob
Jeff0521

Total list there.

 

[Dess]

Not sure all who is dead. But there.

 

[Alisha]

Other dead players(I wrote them down): Old_man_oak, Sjaakieto, Hockeyfan, 77_is_the_best.

So I guess with 14 left a no-lynch wouldn't be so bad. I would prefer taking a risk, though.

 

[storm886]

Right now I would not consider digitalmez for a lynch, but I'd be interested in what she has to say, as well as harmak, jeff, and musta (as alpha noted above.)

 

[HarmakAnna]

I was suspicious of notty for being the lyncher at the beginning of the game because of his extreme push to get a single person (digi) lynched.

As for Defiant, I find him suspicious because of his claim. If someone died at night, it would be pretty easy to say that someone dead was the lyncher's target and say that he lost. It would probably be to draw suspicion off of him.

Or it could be a valid claim.

 

[Alisha]

Well, no one has challenged defiant's claim. That makes me think its legit.

 

[JKangaroo]

((Really wish there was a skeptical/unsure rating, would go so well!))

Well, no one has challenged defiant's claim. That makes me think its legit.

I disagree.
I made this statement in a conversation me and Oak had(where we discussed possible scenario's/who was Mafia/how the days were progressing) after we both died back in Season 5 I believe.

Just cause' something isn't counterclaimed doesn't mean it's true!
Defiant claimed cop! No one counter-claimed!
Notty also claimed cop! No one countered him as well!

Stop it people!

Counter-claiming, at least in my eyes, does not automatically increase the likelihood that you are indeed the role you are claiming. It requires days of actually presenting evidence and slowly gaining the trust of the players/town over an elongated period, because honestly, taking someone's words for it at first glance just because no one else wanted to claim such a role at that time and place SHOULDN'T make them appear as "legit" under those circumstances.
There should be a healthy degree of skepticism behind every role-claim, no matter how small that role may be to the larger scale of things.

No, I do not doubt Defiant's claim is entirely untrue, nor do I believe he is currently in an anti-town position.
However, I still have some strong doubt of him being the lyncher, and not that of another role.
That is just me however, and you may have whatever opinion you may wish.

I however, will not give up said suspicion unless either
1) Events lead to the solid and tangible idea that Defiant is indeed the lyncher, and after a period of so days deems he most likely is said candidate
2) Defiant dies during the night by one of the 3-killing parties and is indeed revealed/proven to be the lyncher.

 

[Vatowski]

Why would a lyncher counter claim someone who is claiming lyncher? It's actually in his benefit for someone else to claim his role

 

[Alisha]

That's a fair view, although I do wish we could actually agree on something for once. :/

I'll keep my different opinion of defiant to myself then.

I'll name someone else I have a hunch on then. Jeff0521. I have absolutely no evidence to support this, but it is just a hunch right now.

 

[JKangaroo]

For my previous post, I went back to look up some information. Came across this line:

Well, that was the point. I was trying my best to not seem like the lyncher. I had originally planned to claim Lyncher with someone else as my target that was dead.

I didn't know you could have new targets if one died. o .o
Unless I'm reading this incorrectly.
Can I just get that like, cleared up or something, because it confused me a bit when I went back to read it again.

 

[Alisha]

I think he means he would have lied on day 1. Like saying Marn(who died) was his target on day 1 and proceeding to talk about hockeyfan.

 

[JKangaroo]

I think he means he would have lied on day 1. Like saying Marn(who died) was his target on day 1 and proceeding to talk about hockeyfan.

Ah, true, didn't entirely think of it like that.

 

[Defiant_Blob]

Well, I'm a neutral party but I'll point out anything I notice.
It doesn't benefit town to lynch me though since it only brings them closer to losing.
And mafia/killer doesn't benefit in killing me either.

I mean you guys can kill me, whatever cx

I can't win anyways.

 

[Alisha]

I am sensing a clear lack of activity in this thread. /captainobvious

I'm going to be honest. In the seasons I've hosted and the ones I have watched, I have seen the element of reluctance pop up time and time again. It's as if getting things wrong means the end of the world. No. We don't have to be insanely careful. I would rather have us make mistakes and have the mafia win rather than have an entire season killed by inactivity.

I say, we take a shot. Besides, how can we deduce something if we don't create the evidence in the first place?

 

[Dess]

I am going to vote to lynch kylieanna

 

[HarmakAnna]

My suspicions are still on Defiant, but I think that enough points have been brought up to make me decide not to vote for him yet.

Also,

I am going to vote to lynch kylieanna

Reasoning, please?

 

[Dess]

I will explain it once Kylie posts I want to hear something from here. But yes I am a bit suspicious of Defiant.