Market Crash [Game Over]
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Wow. I didn't know we were receiving a doctoral dissertation.
Seems hypocritical, criticizing JK's long posts when this one is considerably larger. Throughout it looks like you're basically grasping at straws to prove a point.
The issue is that your results are not necessarily valid whatsoever as you admitted in your claim, and you cap eveything off with the good ol "If this doesn't work you can Lynch me" fallback, which is always in poor taste.
Holding on no Lynch for now. I don't necessarily distrust you or support JK, but that post is pretty wack.
Seems hypocritical, criticizing JK's long posts when this one is considerably larger. Throughout it looks like you're basically grasping at straws to prove a point.
The issue is that your results are not necessarily valid whatsoever as you admitted in your claim, and you cap eveything off with the good ol "If this doesn't work you can Lynch me" fallback, which is always in poor taste.
Holding on no Lynch for now. I don't necessarily distrust you or support JK, but that post is pretty wack.
Infected_alien8_
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Well fair enough I guess. I wasn't saying Jk was suspicious because his posts were long, but because his posts were long "broadcast"-like things where he gave a recap of stuff and seemed town but that was it. And yeah, like I say in the post, I had to go back and try to find the bits that made me think he's suspicious because initially it's just a general vibe, but I think I found all the details correctly, even if it appears I'm just clutching at straws to get him lynched.
If we do no-lynch, what then though? Like, what is going to happen tomorrow that will convince you to then lynch Jk? I say we do it today. Worst case scenario, he's innocent, I'll probably die tonight and we carry on with 1 innocent death in the game, which isn't that bad. Best case scenario, we have 1 or 2 maybe mafia members left after day 1, which is obviously amazing!!!
Nottykitten
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Sorry Inf but I'm unsure what to think of your post. On one side the story sounds pretty believable(the role part, the JK part is purely how you interpret his posts as suspicious), on the other it sounds like something perfectly set up to get JK lynched and get away with if if he turns up innocent. I think you might be a third party targeting role, in the sense that you have to either get a certain person/role lynched or simply outlive them.
Your claim has a built-in fallback as well: the fact that is apparently a 50/50 chance of being correct gives you an easy excuse to get out of difficult situations. Plus, being a power role and coming forth on Day 1 isn't a good move, it leaves you exposed prematurely.
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
gOD that's exactly what I was thinking
plus it was really hard to read because everything was italics and blahh
I'm still not sold because, well, claiming on day one is not a very good idea. And isn't it awfully convenient that one of your targets ended up dead, "proving" that your investigations are solid? And isn't it kind of overkill to have- presumably, considering "agent #1"- more than one role that can investigate two players a night in a small game like this?
I honestly don't trust this at all. What do the rest of you think?
Infected_alien8_
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Well fair enough, I can see how my claim seems suspicious, and how it seems like I have a fallback set in place to let me get away with it. If we aren't lynching them today, can a different town role do something tonight to confirm jk being evil though? If we choose not to lynch, what other evidence is going to pop up to make us want to lynch Jk in the future? If I'm the only current investigator role, and Jk isn't the one visiting/doing the killing, won't we just keep him alive to the rest of the game when we could have prevented him from using a mafia-sided ability or something in the nights he's alive?
And yeah I know claiming pr was risky but I thought if we managed to lynch him that would be 3 mafia dead already, and plus like I said, I don't think me dying is too big of a deal anyway because I think someone else maybe takes over (and also there's hopefully a doctor who can protect me tonight)
And yes Caff I do think that's overkill, which is partly why I think the second agent, if they exist, takes over when I die. And yes it is convenient that oak died proving my point, which is why I voted Jk, claimed and told you all about it lol.
And yeah I know claiming pr was risky but I thought if we managed to lynch him that would be 3 mafia dead already, and plus like I said, I don't think me dying is too big of a deal anyway because I think someone else maybe takes over (and also there's hopefully a doctor who can protect me tonight)
And yes Caff I do think that's overkill, which is partly why I think the second agent, if they exist, takes over when I die. And yes it is convenient that oak died proving my point, which is why I voted Jk, claimed and told you all about it lol.
Infected_alien8_
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But if I'm right, we get 3 mafia dead, and nobody has to believe my claim anyway - even now you guys are doubting it, so if I am wrong then people are going to be okay with lynching me/killing me in the night because my claim is suspicious.
If you're wrong we risk possibly lynching a town investigator role. Not everybody is going to be completely willing to pull that trigger. I'm suspicious of you, but that doesn't mean I'd be completely up to lynching you if it came up to it.
Infected_alien8_
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But surely we risk risking a decent town role whoever we lynch and whenever. It's likely I'm the only current investigative role, meaning in future days it's not like we're gonna get any better evidence for anyone else being mafia, meaning whoever we lynch is going to be a risk because we have no solid evidence. The more nights Jk is alive, the more nights we ALSO risk a mafia sided ability being used at night, if he has one.
And if Jk claims investigative role then we can always unvote and cancel the lynch.
Infected_alien8_
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No, I wouldn't, because I'm convinced he's mafia, but if you're worried about lynching an investigative role since you don't believe me being one then you are free to unvote, so I don't see why it's a bad idea to go ahead with the lynch. Jk will eventually defend himself and from there you can decide for yourself what you think, but for now you can go with the only information you have, which is mine.
I'm not voting for you, I'm voting for a no lynch currently. I was trying to spark discussion, which inevitably arrived.
Frankly, you're not the only info. From people's reactions to you and your own reactions, there's a wealth of information right there.
Frankly, you're not the only info. From people's reactions to you and your own reactions, there's a wealth of information right there.
We by now means have to go by what you have presented, especially when it is possibly false and coupled with a suspicious claim.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
I know you're not voting me, I meant unvote jk once he defends himself.
And I know you don't have to go with what I've presented, but I've just claimed an investigative role and said it points to Jk being mafia, and so surely voting Jk is the only option that makes sense? Sure, we can no lynch for the rest of the game because nobody believes the cop is telling the truth, but where will that get us? It's day 1, we have 2 mafia dead, and we can potentially have 3. Either we lynch Jk, he's mafia and my claim seems more viable in the future and so we can have a system of Investigate - Out Report - Take Action and try to win, or we no lynch and tomorrow are faced, again, with a "who do we lynch" situation
Infected_alien8_
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Or he's innocent and you are all free to kill me tomorrow/in the night or just completely distrust me for the rest of the game (I'd recommend killing me since agent 2 can then hopefully take over)
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