Retaking Rochester (Concluded)

[Sephhh]

Back onto the game,
I may have cost my team the game by brutally underestimating @Sephhh he realized very early on we were on opposing sides and carefully constructed the rediculous theory i could be the illusionist in a series of small comments disguised to look like legitimate observations. Well played Sephhh, well played.

guys ask yourselves, If i'm not the legitimate cop wouldn't there be another person claiming to be cop? wouldn't it be worth waiting to at least see?

They were just small comments at first, but a lot of them led to the same idea. I also added some defence in my part from your defence (see my recent post for that)

Second of all, why would the real cop claim? It might not be worth it to admit your role just to lynch the fake one off especially that the Mafia is the dominant faction at the moment, it would be too risky like you had said. This isn't the best time to reveal roles.

I was really hesitant to claim because mafia hold a majority, the only reason i'm claiming now is i'm hoping they will be reluctant to lynch me as it could give them away and hopefully the doctor can protect me from being killed overnight

 

[erik5456]

I'm interested to see what else people will add to the convo before making a final decision. I will also add info if I personally think it could help. I'm trying to play this game carefully and I suggest everyone else do this too (definetly a bit late to say but might as well get it out there) unvote

 

[Jivvi]

4 votes on Myuser
8 votes will carry out the lynch.

 

[Notme]

My vote still stands, sorry Myuser.

 

[myusername22]

My vote still stands, sorry Myuser.

I'm curious why did you change your vote in the first place? It was obvious that if i was telling the truth sephhh would say he isn't a traitor if you were just going to believe sephhh anyway wouldn't you just keep your vote on me?

did you not realize believing my claim required you to deny a future claim of sephhh?

why so quick to believe sephhh over me? you don't know his role.

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

I myself don't believe your claim because it was kind of reckless to claim cop in this situation, though it is justified by the fact that you were about to be lynched. I just can't really make myself trust it, sorry :/ I'm going to leave my vote unless you give me a really good reason to unvote.

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

Oh, and

why so quick to believe sephhh over me? you don't know his role.

We don't know that you're not lying. This statement is just a liiiittle bit on the ridiculous side.

 

[Sephhh]

I'm curious why did you change your vote in the first place? It was obvious that if i was telling the truth sephhh would say he isn't a traitor if you were just going to believe sephhh anyway wouldn't you just keep your vote on me?

Can you tell me how it is 'obvious' that you're telling the truth? I presented a valid argument on each of your stated defences. Just because you had the statement posted first doesn't mean that you're telling the truth already.

 

[Sephhh]

Can you tell me how it is 'obvious' that you're telling the truth? I presented a valid argument on each of your stated defences. Just because you had the statement posted first doesn't mean that you're telling the truth already.

Sorry, I misread that. Let me rephrase though: Why would it be obvious that I would deny being a traitor if what you said was true?

Out of the roles, admitting on being a traitor will be the most easiest and acceptable role to claim to be especially because Mafia is the majority at the moment. The reason why I was against your claim is because I am not, and that's why I then highly suspect that you are the Illusionist.

 

[myusername22]

Sorry, I misread that. Let me rephrase though: Why would it be obvious that I would deny being a traitor if what you said was true?

Out of the roles, admitting on being a traitor will be the most easiest and acceptable role to claim to be especially because Mafia is the majority at the moment. The reason why I was against your claim is because I am not, and that's why I then highly suspect that you are the Illusionist.

It's just general good strategy, if you were a traitor and the cop was seen as highly suspicious, wouldn't you take your odds to take out a powerful role of your opponents, the story changes if you were recruited to mason but why would a traitor confirm a cop when they can just as easily cast doubt in a hope to kill the cop?

also assuming your story was true-which it isn't because i am the cop. why would you jump straight to illusionist? I'll admit town-sided fake claims are rare though possible so i always could be town-sided and mafia sided fake cop claims are also likely. To me it's seemed like for a while now you haven't been trying to figure out my role you've been trying to get me lynched.

 

[chicken23456789]

... This isn't really making it clearer. You're both to good at counter-arguments. Right now myusername22 does look a bit more suspicious but not enough yet for me to go for a vote.

 

[midnightgirl24]

Even with all the debate, my vote still stands. (Can't say much right now since I'm leaving to give blood soon)

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

Alright. Time to come out of hiding. It's really risky, especially with us only having one Doctor, but I'd like to claim now.
I am the Cop.
The first night, I investigated Natsu, who was unfortunately killed the second night. It was pretty much just a random investigation, due to there being absolutely nothing to go on.
The second night, I investigated myusername, and he is in fact the Contact--which you should remember as being a cop-like role, but is mafia-sided rather than town. Obviously, it's very easy to fake a cop claim with such a role.
It's up to you all to decide who to believe, but tell me, would a real cop just make random, baseless accusations?

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

Alright. Time to come out of hiding. It's really risky, especially with us only having one Doctor, but I'd like to claim now.
I am the Cop.
The first night, I investigated Natsu, who was unfortunately killed the second night. It was pretty much just a random investigation, due to there being absolutely nothing to go on.
The second night, I investigated myusername, and he is in fact the Contact--which you should remember as being a cop-like role, but is mafia-sided rather than town. Obviously, it's very easy to fake a cop claim with such a role.
It's up to you all to decide who to believe, but tell me, would a real cop just make random, baseless accusations?

Ah. Forgot to mention. I was a little hesitant to claim, because of the risk factor, but after the comments I made, I decided to risk it. No real point in letting a fake run loose.

 

[chicken23456789]

... wow this is a twist. Okay I'm going to vote myusername22 because if CaffeinatedKitty is lying and we lynch myusername22 and he turns out to be the cop then it'll be pretty easy to tell who's the traitor.
vote myusername22.

 

[myusername22]

Guys nobody post for a little bit, I'd like to say something before everyone starts going off on random tangents

 

[Mia]

Wow okay, I am kind off leaning one way at the moment only because user still seems incredibly suspicious with his accusations being thrown around and now that Caff has claimed I want to believe her but I will see what user says before I make that desicion.

 

[Mia]

Guys nobody post for a little bit, I'd like to say something before everyone starts going off on random tangents

Sorry typing when you posted!

 

[midnightgirl24]

Won't have to worry about me posting anything for a bit since I'm not off to work

 

[midnightgirl24]

*now (dammit XD)

 

[myusername22]

Okay everyone normally at this point I think we would lynch between cops, however, I think my playing this game so agressively has shot my credibility to the point where it's just going to come out with a definitive lynching of myself and I think I can help my team more by coming clean (since i'm going to die either way) so, I'll admit I am not the cop. the purpose of the claim was to out the real cop, who seems to be caffeinatedkitty. Since caffeinatedkitty has confirmed I am the contact I will likely die tonight Because of the vigilante (Quack do not save me if you do they will just kill me tomorrow, and it's not worth the life of one of our own for a small investigation), I really wish they hadn't investigated me but it seems that's the circumstances that have been dealt

I'm just going to make a quick note: I am now a confirmed mafia power role, by voting for me you are claiming your own alignment to be town-sided.

 

[myusername22]

... wow this is a twist. Okay I'm going to vote myusername22 because if CaffeinatedKitty is lying and we lynch myusername22 and he turns out to be the cop then it'll be pretty easy to tell who's the traitor.
vote myusername22.

I wanted to point this out. This is a bigger slip than natsu's first post. If you believe caffeinatedkitty to be telling the truth you're accepting that you're voting for a mafia power-role. I.E. you've just confirmed you're absolutely comfortable killing a mafia power-role.
GG chicken.


thanks for those who haven't posted while i've made posts I appreciate it. feel free to discuss now.

 

[CaffeinatedKitty]

Myuser, Chicken voting against you wasn't necessarily a move against the mafia, it was probably just a bid to figure out who's who. I probably would've done the same thing- I did do something similar last season.(Voted off Samlen after he fake-claimed, but then it was an awkwardly timed claim) We just have to see how it plays out. C:

 

[myusername22]

Myuser, Chicken voting against you wasn't necessarily a move against the mafia, it was probably just a bid to figure out who's who. I probably would've done the same thing- I did do something similar last season.(Voted off Samlen after he fake-claimed, but then it was an awkwardly timed claim) We just have to see how it plays out. C:

I suppose that could be true. I'm very interested to see how the rest of this game will play out.

 

[Sephhh]

Alright. Time to come out of hiding. It's really risky, especially with us only having one Doctor, but I'd like to claim now.
I am the Cop.
The first night, I investigated Natsu, who was unfortunately killed the second night. It was pretty much just a random investigation, due to there being absolutely nothing to go on.
The second night, I investigated myusername, and he is in fact the Contact--which you should remember as being a cop-like role, but is mafia-sided rather than town. Obviously, it's very easy to fake a cop claim with such a role.
It's up to you all to decide who to believe, but tell me, would a real cop just make random, baseless accusations?

Would you like to explain then how his investigation on me was wrong if he is the contact?

N2: (unfortunately I'm not going to share this one, the person i investigated was town-sided so I cannot share their name without saying "hey mafia come kill this person" )

Would you like to share that second "investigation"? If not, why?