What are these circumstances?
The Doomed Cruise - Game [OVER AND OUT ]
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Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
Alrighty now that I'm a bit more awake I can make a proper post now. So now let me start of.. by calling bs on ansoro, I don't believe that passenger is actually your role and why would I say that? Well there are a few things.
Firstly, every mafia so far has had claim to a role which they have been able to talk about and accurately describe to some degree what it does. This has caused a great amount of confusion, such as the cult claim by grim (who was mafia) the watcher claim by prizyms (who was the godfather) and then a claim by one one two as the doctor (this was planned but still he could describe somewhat what his role actually did until he was caught out by alpha).
So what on earth does this lead us to, I'm not gonna messs around here I'm making this very clear. Since prizyms was the godfather and most likely the leader of the mafia, no role claim is safe, no matter how much they can talk about it. This is because if you ALL recall, prizyms has been running games of epicmafia for quite sometime now and has VERY EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE of all roles and even mechanics of the games. This means that he has been able to provide his fellow mafia information on roles that may not even be in the game. He may be gone now but he has probably left the remaining mafia roles they can claim if need be I bet. Which is why I don't trust ansoro's claim, Prizyms was probably able to guess the wording of the regular passenger pm so that they could use it as an argument if need be.
Oh and while I'm at it, I agree with Omar that vatumok's jack of all trades claim could be a fake as well, thinking about it we had Hype and balloon with investigative powers and I find it highly unlikely now that vatu was what he claims. However I'll leave that one alone for now as I'm not yet %100 percent on board with that argument.
The point stands though, at this stage no role claim can be trusted.
vote ansoro
Firstly, every mafia so far has had claim to a role which they have been able to talk about and accurately describe to some degree what it does. This has caused a great amount of confusion, such as the cult claim by grim (who was mafia) the watcher claim by prizyms (who was the godfather) and then a claim by one one two as the doctor (this was planned but still he could describe somewhat what his role actually did until he was caught out by alpha).
So what on earth does this lead us to, I'm not gonna messs around here I'm making this very clear. Since prizyms was the godfather and most likely the leader of the mafia, no role claim is safe, no matter how much they can talk about it. This is because if you ALL recall, prizyms has been running games of epicmafia for quite sometime now and has VERY EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE of all roles and even mechanics of the games. This means that he has been able to provide his fellow mafia information on roles that may not even be in the game. He may be gone now but he has probably left the remaining mafia roles they can claim if need be I bet. Which is why I don't trust ansoro's claim, Prizyms was probably able to guess the wording of the regular passenger pm so that they could use it as an argument if need be.
Oh and while I'm at it, I agree with Omar that vatumok's jack of all trades claim could be a fake as well, thinking about it we had Hype and balloon with investigative powers and I find it highly unlikely now that vatu was what he claims. However I'll leave that one alone for now as I'm not yet %100 percent on board with that argument.
The point stands though, at this stage no role claim can be trusted.
vote ansoro
Ansoro2112
Hottie
I'll answer to Oak's post tomorrow. It's late for me right now.
But I will say I am being 100% honest with my role. I am indeed a passenger. Jivvi already proved that. Or you're going to say Jivvi is mafia as well? I really don't know what else to say to prove I'm a passenger. And the Prizyms knowledge of the game and all of that is ridiculous.
But I will say I am being 100% honest with my role. I am indeed a passenger. Jivvi already proved that. Or you're going to say Jivvi is mafia as well? I really don't know what else to say to prove I'm a passenger. And the Prizyms knowledge of the game and all of that is ridiculous.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Well but I know it is time for a
///VOOOOOTECOUNNNNNT///
Players needed to lynch: 8
Players needed to no-lynch: 7
Sploorky - 1 - storm886 (L-7)
ansoro2112 - 1 - Old_Man_Oak_63 (L-7)
Alpha102 - 2 - digitalmez, ansoro2112 (L-6)
Players not voting: Shinyshark, Jivvi, cooliorules,, hihihiLolHI, Alpha102, Sploorky, Vatumok, 77_is_the_best, Omar_Sales, Defiant_Blob
///VOOOOOTECOUNNNNNT///
Players needed to lynch: 8
Players needed to no-lynch: 7
Sploorky - 1 - storm886 (L-7)
ansoro2112 - 1 - Old_Man_Oak_63 (L-7)
Alpha102 - 2 - digitalmez, ansoro2112 (L-6)
Players not voting: Shinyshark, Jivvi, cooliorules,, hihihiLolHI, Alpha102, Sploorky, Vatumok, 77_is_the_best, Omar_Sales, Defiant_Blob
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I'm heading off to bed but I trust ansoro. I just don't feel he is mafia.
Having said this, by no means will I put my life in his hand by trusting his every word.
As a consequence I'm actually suspicious of Alpha, but will think about what I'll do before I vote, which will most likely be tomorrow.
Having said this, by no means will I put my life in his hand by trusting his every word.
As a consequence I'm actually suspicious of Alpha, but will think about what I'll do before I vote, which will most likely be tomorrow.
Ansoro2112
Hottie
Okay here goes my reply.
First of all, lets pretend for a second that I am Mafia. Why would I be risking myself at this point in the game being so vocal about Alpha and everything when I could've easily stayed quiet the entire game? Since it was working perfectly at the beginning for me. No one pointed fingers at me. I was flying under the radar. I could've just continued playing that game.
Here's the thing. Since 112 and Prizyms died something clicked in my head. I had this theory that I already explained. About how 112's death was a sacrifice to cover the mafia's ass. So I just shared with you all what I thought about that. But for some strange reason people were starting to doubt about me. Maybe because of that change I made from being quiet to very talkative? I have no idea.
I decided to share my role to anyone. I knew maybe that wasn't going to help but since I have noting
to hide in this game I just did it. Luckily Jivvi realized I was being honest.
About the Prizyms part of him knowing a lot of this game and knowing what roles there can be um, I don't know what to say about that. See, While Digital and myself at least have something about Alpha. you don't have anything to point fingers at me. You're just using your "What if" to blame me. Nothing solid. Since throughout the game I haven't done any single thing that can people can say I'm Mafia. Why? Because I am a freaking passenger.
Oh and another thing. I could've easily just thought about a very complex role to make it seem more believable. But I didn't. Since my truly only role is Passenger.
And Defiant or anyone could explain this? I have no idea what you mean with "Ansoro at least WAS passenger" or "converted". Is there a role in this game that can do that? I'm a noob k.
Sploorky
Member
Just want to say, saying "I have nothing to hide" is a pretty moot argument. Anyone can say that, doesn't make them innocent.
I'm personally waiting on Omar_Sales for his post before I think more into the situation. I still remain in my thoughts that both ansoro and alpha are town, and we're chasing our tails.
I'm personally waiting on Omar_Sales for his post before I think more into the situation. I still remain in my thoughts that both ansoro and alpha are town, and we're chasing our tails.
Part 2
This is all I've gathered from Vatumok after painstakingly rereading the whole thread.
I hope everyone read the whole post since it took me a good 3 hours to make.
Continuation from last post
Prizyms trying to further everyone's trust on Vatu
Grimm trying to further everyone on Vatu though at this point everyone thought he was innocent so it doesn't matter much.
I think prizyms didn't just choose a random role, he chose his role for 2 reasons;
- To fit in with hype and gain people's trust under the false hope of a pseudo cop
- To give even more trust to Vatu with his fake results.
-kraby bandwagon here-
Why Hype? Why not Priz, the one with the most suspicious claim and the weaker arguments?
First jumping on the bandwagon then defending grim, doesn't vote in the end since it'd have been too suspicious to change his mind twice.
After that Prizyms calls out on OOT
This time he didn't even attempt defending OOT. My theory here is the difference between grimm's and OOT's scenarios.
Grimm's lynching process started by a townie claim which is why Vatu tried to defend him.
Now OOT's was started by Priz, a mafia member, therefore it was all part of the plan.
There might still be mafia left, I don't think there's a cult since it'd be really be close to winning and we haven't caught any SK so far so I doubt there are any aswell. I kinda disagree with the voting part, we can get some information of who voted who but only if we thoroughly investigate their reasons.
It could've been any role really, he might've even been the doctor. I stand my case on the cult, it's highly unlikely there's one.
I think you're trying to get people to suspect ansoro because the fact he's analyzing who voted who and might've reached the same conclusions I've reached
I think that the reason they did it is so they could claim it was too obvious.
Prizyms trying to further everyone's trust on Vatu
Grimm trying to further everyone on Vatu though at this point everyone thought he was innocent so it doesn't matter much.
I think prizyms didn't just choose a random role, he chose his role for 2 reasons;
- To fit in with hype and gain people's trust under the false hope of a pseudo cop
- To give even more trust to Vatu with his fake results.
-kraby bandwagon here-
Why Hype? Why not Priz, the one with the most suspicious claim and the weaker arguments?
First jumping on the bandwagon then defending grim, doesn't vote in the end since it'd have been too suspicious to change his mind twice.
After that Prizyms calls out on OOT
This time he didn't even attempt defending OOT. My theory here is the difference between grimm's and OOT's scenarios.
Grimm's lynching process started by a townie claim which is why Vatu tried to defend him.
Now OOT's was started by Priz, a mafia member, therefore it was all part of the plan.
There might still be mafia left, I don't think there's a cult since it'd be really be close to winning and we haven't caught any SK so far so I doubt there are any aswell. I kinda disagree with the voting part, we can get some information of who voted who but only if we thoroughly investigate their reasons.
It could've been any role really, he might've even been the doctor. I stand my case on the cult, it's highly unlikely there's one.
I think you're trying to get people to suspect ansoro because the fact he's analyzing who voted who and might've reached the same conclusions I've reached
I think that the reason they did it is so they could claim it was too obvious.
This is all I've gathered from Vatumok after painstakingly rereading the whole thread.
I hope everyone read the whole post since it took me a good 3 hours to make.
Sploorky
Member
Omar_Sales You've actually brought up an extremely good and valid argument. I'd like to hear what others think on it, but...wow.
storm886 I'm sorry, but I don't believe it takes 43 pages and two throwaway votes to explain your reasoning, when you have had the entire game to do so.
storm886 I'm sorry, but I don't believe it takes 43 pages and two throwaway votes to explain your reasoning, when you have had the entire game to do so.
Omar_Sales
What should I have done then? I used my abilities and found a scum which I reported. For the rest I just shared my opinions on scum based on assumptions, I was right on 2 mafiose. Of course I can't always be right and voted for nottykitten but you also have to keep in mind that he was found to have killed mariosatr the night before.
Also, how does what the mafia has said any indication of my guilt? They have probably said that to make me suspicious and them look innocent (having doubt about an important power roles -could- be seen as hostile)
The part about me defending grimm is entirely against your idea of me playing against mafia (and they seeing me as innocent) to sneak kill everyone, I honestly thought grimm's post had more going for it and I felt balloon's had some holes in it.
What should I have done then? I used my abilities and found a scum which I reported. For the rest I just shared my opinions on scum based on assumptions, I was right on 2 mafiose. Of course I can't always be right and voted for nottykitten but you also have to keep in mind that he was found to have killed mariosatr the night before.
Also, how does what the mafia has said any indication of my guilt? They have probably said that to make me suspicious and them look innocent (having doubt about an important power roles -could- be seen as hostile)
The part about me defending grimm is entirely against your idea of me playing against mafia (and they seeing me as innocent) to sneak kill everyone, I honestly thought grimm's post had more going for it and I felt balloon's had some holes in it.
My point is that we don't even know if you are even the JOAT, the only thing backing you up is the fact you caught out endersteve5, which after what priz did with OOT wouldn't surprise me if you turned out to be mafia aswell.
Ok, might've been too paranoid about the notty thingy, but I stand my ground on how you asked the cop to investigate hype even after priz' claim was obviously the most suspicious.
About the grimm issue it just bugs me how you jumped into the bandwagon with no input then had an apparent change of heart on her favor.
In any case I think no one can be 'cleared innocent' at this point of the game.
Ok, might've been too paranoid about the notty thingy, but I stand my ground on how you asked the cop to investigate hype even after priz' claim was obviously the most suspicious.
About the grimm issue it just bugs me how you jumped into the bandwagon with no input then had an apparent change of heart on her favor.
In any case I think no one can be 'cleared innocent' at this point of the game.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
///VOOOOOTECOUNNNNNT///
Players needed to lynch: 8
Players needed to no-lynch: 7
Sploorky - 1 - storm886 (L-7)
ansoro2112 - 1 - Old_Man_Oak_63 (L-7)
Alpha102 - 2 - digitalmez, ansoro2112 (L-6)
Players not voting: Shinyshark, Jivvi, cooliorules,, hihihiLolHI, Alpha102, Sploorky, Vatumok, 77_is_the_best, Omar_Sales, Defiant_Blob
MafiaPlayer - Please do remember that voting is encouraged in this game. You know. So that it goes on
Players needed to lynch: 8
Players needed to no-lynch: 7
Sploorky - 1 - storm886 (L-7)
ansoro2112 - 1 - Old_Man_Oak_63 (L-7)
Alpha102 - 2 - digitalmez, ansoro2112 (L-6)
Players not voting: Shinyshark, Jivvi, cooliorules,, hihihiLolHI, Alpha102, Sploorky, Vatumok, 77_is_the_best, Omar_Sales, Defiant_Blob
MafiaPlayer - Please do remember that voting is encouraged in this game. You know. So that it goes on
Shinyshark
Professional innuendo creator/finder.
I really think it's storm, he's been going on about how it's someone with an S. As only mafia member he knows that he has to lynch someone to win because he can't play in a team anymore.
vote Storm886
vote Storm886
Sploorky
Member
Might be a bit selfish, but I simply do not trust or like storm's logic, especially because it took a full 40 pages to post even a semi-decent explanation for things.
And no, this isn't because shiny voted for storm, but because I was tagged to vote and I trust storm the least.
vote storm886
And no, this isn't because shiny voted for storm, but because I was tagged to vote and I trust storm the least.
vote storm886
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I'm not sure if this is a major issue, but I'm not getting alerts when you tag me in the "MafiaPlayer" tag. I've had it maybe once, but not since.
To the gameplay:
I do agree with Sploorky, in the fact that I find storm shifty, but there are some good points that have been presented against Vatumok.
Will consider what's happening a little more and vote hopefully before meeting.
To the gameplay:
I do agree with Sploorky, in the fact that I find storm shifty, but there are some good points that have been presented against Vatumok.
Will consider what's happening a little more and vote hopefully before meeting.
I don't understand why everyone says I have good points against me. I could use the same argumentation AGAINST Omar and that the mafia is trying to convince people to vote me because "112 and priz tried the same". If the mafia was smart enough to try that trick, then why would they not be able to make a "safer" target look dark. It sounds like that would be a way better counter to what happened last night than doing the same trick twice. So it's just as likely that Omar is mafia as me. (or even more likely)
That said, I do understand there is some skepticism because people can pretty much never be truly safe in a game with roles unknown.
That said, I do understand there is some skepticism because people can pretty much never be truly safe in a game with roles unknown.
-Storm thinks to himself- Hmm my old strategy has failed yet again. They seek to serve me on the pyramid yet again. Maybe I will try that new strategy I tried out earlier. It could yield better results.
I'm mafia. Buffet pyramid here I come!
I'm mafia. Buffet pyramid here I come!
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