The Economy of Madness - Game Complete!
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Notty opened up the idea of massclaiming on post 13 of the thread, answering Mischief's question of "How do we begin this?
Ooglie lightly supported the idea on the foundation that scum wouldn't have time to create a reasonable fake claim.
Inf's response was: "Last game when notty suggested we massclaim role names I said no and it would've made the game loads easier if I didn't probably. I'm not saying no this time!"
-However, he does appear to be saying no this time
Kroppeb was the first to advise caution, reminding us of the possibility of RID.
After a page or so of memeing, Ooglie brings the idea back up, and makes sure to include that we should claim our coin amounts, too. I advise against it, and Ooglie continues to push:
Shout out to Aqua for encouraging me to look back and find this. Ooglie, what do you have to say about this?
Ooglie lightly supported the idea on the foundation that scum wouldn't have time to create a reasonable fake claim.
Inf's response was: "Last game when notty suggested we massclaim role names I said no and it would've made the game loads easier if I didn't probably. I'm not saying no this time!"
-However, he does appear to be saying no this time
Kroppeb was the first to advise caution, reminding us of the possibility of RID.
After a page or so of memeing, Ooglie brings the idea back up, and makes sure to include that we should claim our coin amounts, too. I advise against it, and Ooglie continues to push:
The bolded section in particular reading it back sounds like he's really trying to get those claims out there. Saying "Coins would provide no useful information to town" but wanting the information in the open, knowing that it "could only be used to figure out how to kill someone." Sure feels like anti-town motive to me.Ooglie said:
Shout out to Aqua for encouraging me to look back and find this. Ooglie, what do you have to say about this?
Give me time to read the thread again and I'll likely be responding to things in chronological order of pages.
Brief skimming though and touching on main points.
I'm not fully for a massclaim, or even a mass pseudo role name claim. I can get why it's beneficial but the reasons why it isn't have already been stated to death.
Brief skimming though and touching on main points.
I'm not fully for a massclaim, or even a mass pseudo role name claim. I can get why it's beneficial but the reasons why it isn't have already been stated to death.
Should be noted that the sides of mass claiming or not is probably not the best indication of mafia/villager
Cons of mass claiming:
>Role Id killer
>Mafia can lie and make a town sounding role when suspicious named townies will just say the truth and be suspected
>role names can be linked to PR (maybe)
Pros of mass claiming:
>paraphrase can sort of remove the risks of an role Id killer, if they already have the names is it still a problem
>Mafia will probably lie after a few townies reveal to guarantee their role fits the pattern?
>if they lie and are role ided with a name that isn't what they said, it could be a scum tell?
>The roles names may give us a direction to start early game
^a lot of the pros are not certain and may just be assumptions
I may be missing a few points as well. I can definitely see how a villager may be pro massclaim and a mafia may be anti massclaim. I can also definitely see how a mafia may be pro massclaim and a townie anti mass claim.
Right now is probably a bad time to say for sure, I feel like mafia isn't pressured into lying a role claim rn because people are still on the fence/don't want to. Which is perfectly reasonable due to the cons of it but it's also very likely mafia has not role claimed since only 5/20 have done so
Cons of mass claiming:
>Role Id killer
>Mafia can lie and make a town sounding role when suspicious named townies will just say the truth and be suspected
>role names can be linked to PR (maybe)
Pros of mass claiming:
>paraphrase can sort of remove the risks of an role Id killer, if they already have the names is it still a problem
>Mafia will probably lie after a few townies reveal to guarantee their role fits the pattern?
>if they lie and are role ided with a name that isn't what they said, it could be a scum tell?
>The roles names may give us a direction to start early game
^a lot of the pros are not certain and may just be assumptions
I may be missing a few points as well. I can definitely see how a villager may be pro massclaim and a mafia may be anti massclaim. I can also definitely see how a mafia may be pro massclaim and a townie anti mass claim.
Right now is probably a bad time to say for sure, I feel like mafia isn't pressured into lying a role claim rn because people are still on the fence/don't want to. Which is perfectly reasonable due to the cons of it but it's also very likely mafia has not role claimed since only 5/20 have done so
Oh, I just remembered inf asked me what I thought his <0> thing was but I didn't respond because I was in bed.
I thought it was something related to his role, like his role randomly investigated someone at the start of the game.
I thought it was something related to his role, like his role randomly investigated someone at the start of the game.
Also asking me to present my evidence is kinda a scum move tbh only mafia gains from it... there are no flaws in my reasoning - ever. If I say someones scum, well, they are. But don't believe me that's fine, I've already left town a nice trail of M&Ms to follow and reach the truth of this killing game.
Memeing is always appropriate on day zero. :D
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