Also I'll give my day 0 thoughts on everyone. Some of them are quite abstract so sorry if they're difficult to understand, and some of them I say a lot but don't really come to a strong conclusion at all - this isn't me making cases against people, just my unfiltered thoughts if anyone's interested in seeing where my mind's at:
Ender - thought he was a little scummy for vibes and pregame and seemed to give up pretty easily with massclaim (said he was sick of repeating himself but I think he only said his arguments once?), so we'll see if he can semi-verify himself through a kill
Tim - no issues with him so far
fantome - bit quiet and lack of contribution, but not overly concerning since I could see him as being unsure so early on and not wanting to be wrong yet
Moog - idk, slight town I guess? But I do find it strange his lack of paranoia for massclaiming despite being suspicious of notty who's been pushing for it so hard
Kropp - feels literally exactly the same as last game so in meta terms either he's great at being the same mafia and town or he's mafia again imo, nothing else to really say there
Ltin - feels kinda townie, his reasons for not massclaiming seem kinda genuine (but not 100% confident), but he seemed weirdly high-strung to defend me against omni earlier on in the game which I wonder was since he chose me to defend to look like the hero since he knows I'm town and is scum, but all in all I lean town for him, with that as my one concern
Dess - feels a lot different to last game so meta-wise I'm a bit concerned but he feels a lot more townie this game (last game I really thought he was mafia) so I'm not sure what to make of him tbh, and I wonder if he sounds different since it's no longer his first game here in a while
HK - too quiet and lurky, waiting for more and if he doesn't deliver I'll be suspicious
Aqua - scum, reads seem made up, interaction with raxo felt like teammates, didn't immediately jump to meme lynch me which is an alarm bell for me since I think he'd always be up for that as town, so the fact he suddenly isn't makes me think something about his objective this game is stopping him from doing it, and being mafia and therefore scared of confrontation since it could get him lynched would make a lot of sense for that
Mulb - seems quite townie so far, her post where she suddenly was like 'notme is looking suspicious' or something pinged my radar, maybe since it was a bit out of the blue and 'I'll quickly make a tiny sentence agreeing with everyone here without pushing for him myself so that I can lowkey push for his lynch without being too involved either since I don't want to look bad when he flips town or because I don't really want to bus him too hard as a buddy', but other than that seems fine I guess. I wondered whether they were delaying claiming to try to make something up though but I can understand their reason for it now so I'm okay with that atm
Notty - seems emotionally invested in massclaiming and I haven't really seen them explain it in a way that I feel justifies that. In general they just seem to have an extra agenda than a townie would have since I don't understand their perspective from a townie and it's strange how many times they've misread my posts and said things I disagree with and think are biased since I usually agree with a lot of what she says. But my gut is conflicted on her. Then again my gut was convinced she was town last game and that didn't go so well so maybe I shouldn't listen to my gut with her. It just seems dificult and almost like, if I scum read her, I'm going with this broad and shallow approach to reading her rather than taking into account nuances that could bring me to her true perspective as a townie. It's like instinctively I know there's a deeper read to have on her that I haven't got to, but I think it'll lead me to town read her.
Stranger - I don't really relate at all to their reads and I remember thinking that a bit last game but dismissed it as just a difference of opinion since I didn't know how she plays as town, but now that I know she was mafia back then I wonder whether it's a result of her not truly reading people. I've not seen her reads as a townie though so I have no logical reason to believe that. In general though she's like kropp since she sounds exactly the same as last game. Meta aside her claim was suspicious to me as well since it's like she didn't have the perspective of 'I have coins and an ability that will use them up' so it seemed like maybe she's lying about who she is and that caused the discrepancy between perspective since she was putting on a different 'hat' and so lost some of her true perspective if that makes sense to anyone else (since I think all mafia would have coins to spend so it can't be that she doesn't truly have that coin perspective so that's my other way of explaining it). Either that or she just thought about it in a weird way in the moment I guess. Also when she explained she doesn't know how the scale will shift it made me feel a lot more understanding in why she'd be thinking in that ^ way but I haven't figured out why that is quite yet.
Molten - no read
Omni - town, his reads (even though I disagree with some of them) feel like they're coming from a genuine drive to find and lynch scum
Notme - scum, he's in his mafia meta imo, he seemed value his own life over finding the truth about aqua's intentions (by insisting they were x, something which would make raxo seem less likely to be his partner) which makes me think he's mafia as well since I think mafia is more likely to have that perspective vs a townie who's main goal should be working other people out as opposed to surviving like a mafia is
Poke - unsure, they do seem a little defensive from mis and I get this weird feeling that something about poke vs mis stands out to me but I'm not sure what exactly. I found their approach to explaining why I didn't find notty's quote 'interesting' weird and I don't get why he'd just not explain it, but I don't feel strongly about interpreting that as him lying to fit in or something. I also find it weird how he said 'but w/e' after throwing some shade on me, like he had no real investment in pushing for me or something, and he never answered me when I asked him about that. I wonder if he's third party since he feels quite alone? Like I said earlier, my mental image of him is being alone in a void. And that could explain why he's getting defensive when mis questions him as well, since I think it's more likely to get defensive when someone's actually onto something about you being true (not being town and having townie intentions). I could see him genuinely believing that as a townie he'd not have an opinion on a massclaim and would be neutral, seeing mis suspect him for it and get defensive since "i'm being townie and it's annoying you're not seeing it since I have a scum role and not being caught out is a huge part of how I do well in this so I'm more annoyed/defensive than usual". Overall though I don't feel strongly about him being 3p, but could definitely see it
Mis - feels pretty townie. Their claim is completely bizarre and I wonder if it's a 'I wouldn't do this as mafia so you know I'm not mafia!!!!' mindgame coming from a mafia but I don't feel that that's particularly the case, it just concerns me, and would make sense with her attitude so far as well since I feel like from the start she's been very much evaluating her own behaviour and paranoid about being lynched, but like I said earlier that also feels like it's just part of her personality so... overall I lean town, just some concerns there
UNU - feels town, not much to say there
Arch - no opinion really, either they're very unconfident/unexperienced/busy or lurking for scummy reasons, is my only thought right now
Ender - thought he was a little scummy for vibes and pregame and seemed to give up pretty easily with massclaim (said he was sick of repeating himself but I think he only said his arguments once?), so we'll see if he can semi-verify himself through a kill
Tim - no issues with him so far
fantome - bit quiet and lack of contribution, but not overly concerning since I could see him as being unsure so early on and not wanting to be wrong yet
Moog - idk, slight town I guess? But I do find it strange his lack of paranoia for massclaiming despite being suspicious of notty who's been pushing for it so hard
Kropp - feels literally exactly the same as last game so in meta terms either he's great at being the same mafia and town or he's mafia again imo, nothing else to really say there
Ltin - feels kinda townie, his reasons for not massclaiming seem kinda genuine (but not 100% confident), but he seemed weirdly high-strung to defend me against omni earlier on in the game which I wonder was since he chose me to defend to look like the hero since he knows I'm town and is scum, but all in all I lean town for him, with that as my one concern
Dess - feels a lot different to last game so meta-wise I'm a bit concerned but he feels a lot more townie this game (last game I really thought he was mafia) so I'm not sure what to make of him tbh, and I wonder if he sounds different since it's no longer his first game here in a while
HK - too quiet and lurky, waiting for more and if he doesn't deliver I'll be suspicious
Aqua - scum, reads seem made up, interaction with raxo felt like teammates, didn't immediately jump to meme lynch me which is an alarm bell for me since I think he'd always be up for that as town, so the fact he suddenly isn't makes me think something about his objective this game is stopping him from doing it, and being mafia and therefore scared of confrontation since it could get him lynched would make a lot of sense for that
Mulb - seems quite townie so far, her post where she suddenly was like 'notme is looking suspicious' or something pinged my radar, maybe since it was a bit out of the blue and 'I'll quickly make a tiny sentence agreeing with everyone here without pushing for him myself so that I can lowkey push for his lynch without being too involved either since I don't want to look bad when he flips town or because I don't really want to bus him too hard as a buddy', but other than that seems fine I guess. I wondered whether they were delaying claiming to try to make something up though but I can understand their reason for it now so I'm okay with that atm
Notty - seems emotionally invested in massclaiming and I haven't really seen them explain it in a way that I feel justifies that. In general they just seem to have an extra agenda than a townie would have since I don't understand their perspective from a townie and it's strange how many times they've misread my posts and said things I disagree with and think are biased since I usually agree with a lot of what she says. But my gut is conflicted on her. Then again my gut was convinced she was town last game and that didn't go so well so maybe I shouldn't listen to my gut with her. It just seems dificult and almost like, if I scum read her, I'm going with this broad and shallow approach to reading her rather than taking into account nuances that could bring me to her true perspective as a townie. It's like instinctively I know there's a deeper read to have on her that I haven't got to, but I think it'll lead me to town read her.
Stranger - I don't really relate at all to their reads and I remember thinking that a bit last game but dismissed it as just a difference of opinion since I didn't know how she plays as town, but now that I know she was mafia back then I wonder whether it's a result of her not truly reading people. I've not seen her reads as a townie though so I have no logical reason to believe that. In general though she's like kropp since she sounds exactly the same as last game. Meta aside her claim was suspicious to me as well since it's like she didn't have the perspective of 'I have coins and an ability that will use them up' so it seemed like maybe she's lying about who she is and that caused the discrepancy between perspective since she was putting on a different 'hat' and so lost some of her true perspective if that makes sense to anyone else (since I think all mafia would have coins to spend so it can't be that she doesn't truly have that coin perspective so that's my other way of explaining it). Either that or she just thought about it in a weird way in the moment I guess. Also when she explained she doesn't know how the scale will shift it made me feel a lot more understanding in why she'd be thinking in that ^ way but I haven't figured out why that is quite yet.
Molten - no read
Omni - town, his reads (even though I disagree with some of them) feel like they're coming from a genuine drive to find and lynch scum
Notme - scum, he's in his mafia meta imo, he seemed value his own life over finding the truth about aqua's intentions (by insisting they were x, something which would make raxo seem less likely to be his partner) which makes me think he's mafia as well since I think mafia is more likely to have that perspective vs a townie who's main goal should be working other people out as opposed to surviving like a mafia is
Poke - unsure, they do seem a little defensive from mis and I get this weird feeling that something about poke vs mis stands out to me but I'm not sure what exactly. I found their approach to explaining why I didn't find notty's quote 'interesting' weird and I don't get why he'd just not explain it, but I don't feel strongly about interpreting that as him lying to fit in or something. I also find it weird how he said 'but w/e' after throwing some shade on me, like he had no real investment in pushing for me or something, and he never answered me when I asked him about that. I wonder if he's third party since he feels quite alone? Like I said earlier, my mental image of him is being alone in a void. And that could explain why he's getting defensive when mis questions him as well, since I think it's more likely to get defensive when someone's actually onto something about you being true (not being town and having townie intentions). I could see him genuinely believing that as a townie he'd not have an opinion on a massclaim and would be neutral, seeing mis suspect him for it and get defensive since "i'm being townie and it's annoying you're not seeing it since I have a scum role and not being caught out is a huge part of how I do well in this so I'm more annoyed/defensive than usual". Overall though I don't feel strongly about him being 3p, but could definitely see it
Mis - feels pretty townie. Their claim is completely bizarre and I wonder if it's a 'I wouldn't do this as mafia so you know I'm not mafia!!!!' mindgame coming from a mafia but I don't feel that that's particularly the case, it just concerns me, and would make sense with her attitude so far as well since I feel like from the start she's been very much evaluating her own behaviour and paranoid about being lynched, but like I said earlier that also feels like it's just part of her personality so... overall I lean town, just some concerns there
UNU - feels town, not much to say there
Arch - no opinion really, either they're very unconfident/unexperienced/busy or lurking for scummy reasons, is my only thought right now