The Red Scare [Game Over]
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Infected_alien8_
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Also a pattern I've noticed (or maybe not, I might be wrong but I swear this is a thing) is that when caff is mafia they tend to have suspicions (usually ones that are already out there) but as town they tend to hold back and not have many, but my theory about hip and his 'patterns' obviously weren't true this game so feel free to dismiss this, but it might be worth mentioning
So, coming with my thoughts. Here we go:
The first day, cults were (if I remember correctly) the first thing we started to discuss. Samlen very early suggested that we should get rid of cults, because they might tear apart the town trying to kill each other. A few others quickly agreed (one of them me). However, after a little while, a few people including me started to question if cults really were a threat, which is something I now believe they are not. I believe the cults instead will be on townies’ advantage and it is the reason why there are 5 mafias against 11 town sided players (like in comparison with the last mafia game there were 3 mafia sided roles against 10 townies). Think of the game without the cults. I think it seem quite unbalanced with a lot of mafias and difficult to survive for townies. I am not entirely sure how it would help the townies, but do think the inside talks in the cults will make it easier to eliminate possible mafia candidates later.
Infected and Ender early said that we should share if we are cult leaders, but I honestly think that would be a bad idea. We could get to know two likely cult leaders (a mafia could also be saying he is a cult leader) and town sided players, but I believe the mafias would target them, because, as I have pointed out, inside talks might be an advantage for townies. That was also why a cult leader would share his/her role, and it seemed pretty risky.
However, with the cults we can for certain know that when there are two people in a cult, the other person will know that he is a cult leader (as long as he hasn’t been killed yet).
So, if the Patriot leader and the Glorious Communist leader chose different people this, and not Hip this night, there will be two players here that can for certain know one leader/town-sided player each. They could be both mafias and townies though, however, I find it more likely for a cult leader to choose someone he/she town-reads, in order to not get killed the next night. So, that means there could 2 and 2 trusting each other, and voting together now.
My biggest theory at the moment is that HKCaper is a cult leader, and chose to get Infected to his cult. They both seem to have changed their votes, and HK said:
Over to Hip’s death. Since there was only one death this night, either the Mafia failed to kill a player (because of the doctor) or the vigilante failed to kill (because of the doctor) or chose to not kill. While this is my first game, I would think it would be likely that if a vigilante chose to kill, he would kill a relatively active player, since they are bigger threats. Therefore, I think Hip was killed by a mafia. If that is correct, the vigilante either failed to kill or chose to not kill. A vigilante might have chose to not kill, because it could kill a townie.
My theory for why Hip was killed, was because the mafias might have thought he was a cult leader. He said this first day, and did suspect him of being a cult leader.
So, while Ender pushed for a lynch on Jivvi, it might is hard to tell if it was because he was a mafia, or just wanted to lynch an inactive player, so I will leave that for now.
What I find interesting is that Iggish have voted for the person as Ender thrice, just after him.
I also find Infected acting strange. However, I do not believe the night kill have had anything to do with him. To believe that Infected had something to do with the kill, because he suspected Hip, feels wrong. You have chances of being correct, but could as well been an intended move by the mafias, a failed target by the vigilante or While Infected’s reason for voting hip was weird, it to me seems like Hip could have been killed by anyone, and to make theories about who killed him is wasteless project, basically the same as a random guess.
Okay, moving on to your theory about Infected wanted to night kill Hip because he thought he was a high-roled/strong player. It seems strange to me why Infected in the first place was suspecting Hip, and then night killing him, instead of just killing him without having him as a suspect. I would also think Infected knew how unlikely it would be to even get him lynched. Also, Hip didn’t say anything important really (at least of from what I can judge), so Infected finding out he was a high roled player after Hip talking, is unlikely, in my opinion.
At the end, when you are saying he killed Hip because he could be a high-roled/strong player, you are forgetting that Infected also could be a vigilante trying to kill a mafia.
That is why I am suspicious of you. However, I will not send out my vote yet, because if there is anything I have learned in my first day of mafia, then it is to have patience.
I do find the people not talking suspicious, as well, but for now I think getting rid of the most influencial and powerful mafias first, is a good idea. However, I want more opinions from TheWeakGuy48_, Samlen, Mulbery and Caff, and hope you will use your votes. Otherwise the mafia votes will become very strong each day!
I also town-read Nottykitten, and have strong feelings about who could be doctor, and a little feeling of who that could be Vigilante.
The first day, cults were (if I remember correctly) the first thing we started to discuss. Samlen very early suggested that we should get rid of cults, because they might tear apart the town trying to kill each other. A few others quickly agreed (one of them me). However, after a little while, a few people including me started to question if cults really were a threat, which is something I now believe they are not. I believe the cults instead will be on townies’ advantage and it is the reason why there are 5 mafias against 11 town sided players (like in comparison with the last mafia game there were 3 mafia sided roles against 10 townies). Think of the game without the cults. I think it seem quite unbalanced with a lot of mafias and difficult to survive for townies. I am not entirely sure how it would help the townies, but do think the inside talks in the cults will make it easier to eliminate possible mafia candidates later.
Infected and Ender early said that we should share if we are cult leaders, but I honestly think that would be a bad idea. We could get to know two likely cult leaders (a mafia could also be saying he is a cult leader) and town sided players, but I believe the mafias would target them, because, as I have pointed out, inside talks might be an advantage for townies. That was also why a cult leader would share his/her role, and it seemed pretty risky.
However, with the cults we can for certain know that when there are two people in a cult, the other person will know that he is a cult leader (as long as he hasn’t been killed yet).
So, if the Patriot leader and the Glorious Communist leader chose different people this, and not Hip this night, there will be two players here that can for certain know one leader/town-sided player each. They could be both mafias and townies though, however, I find it more likely for a cult leader to choose someone he/she town-reads, in order to not get killed the next night. So, that means there could 2 and 2 trusting each other, and voting together now.
My biggest theory at the moment is that HKCaper is a cult leader, and chose to get Infected to his cult. They both seem to have changed their votes, and HK said:
Over to Hip’s death. Since there was only one death this night, either the Mafia failed to kill a player (because of the doctor) or the vigilante failed to kill (because of the doctor) or chose to not kill. While this is my first game, I would think it would be likely that if a vigilante chose to kill, he would kill a relatively active player, since they are bigger threats. Therefore, I think Hip was killed by a mafia. If that is correct, the vigilante either failed to kill or chose to not kill. A vigilante might have chose to not kill, because it could kill a townie.
My theory for why Hip was killed, was because the mafias might have thought he was a cult leader. He said this first day, and did suspect him of being a cult leader.
So, while Ender pushed for a lynch on Jivvi, it might is hard to tell if it was because he was a mafia, or just wanted to lynch an inactive player, so I will leave that for now.
What I find interesting is that Iggish have voted for the person as Ender thrice, just after him.
(6 hours later)
and
(1 hour later)
and
(just after)
This makes me a little bit suspicious of them both (mostly iggish though), however, Iggish have pretty much just followed the stream the entire time but now Iggish now seem to be very aggressive towards Infected.
I also find Infected acting strange. However, I do not believe the night kill have had anything to do with him. To believe that Infected had something to do with the kill, because he suspected Hip, feels wrong. You have chances of being correct, but could as well been an intended move by the mafias, a failed target by the vigilante or While Infected’s reason for voting hip was weird, it to me seems like Hip could have been killed by anyone, and to make theories about who killed him is wasteless project, basically the same as a random guess.
Okay, moving on to your theory about Infected wanted to night kill Hip because he thought he was a high-roled/strong player. It seems strange to me why Infected in the first place was suspecting Hip, and then night killing him, instead of just killing him without having him as a suspect. I would also think Infected knew how unlikely it would be to even get him lynched. Also, Hip didn’t say anything important really (at least of from what I can judge), so Infected finding out he was a high roled player after Hip talking, is unlikely, in my opinion.
At the end, when you are saying he killed Hip because he could be a high-roled/strong player, you are forgetting that Infected also could be a vigilante trying to kill a mafia.
That is why I am suspicious of you. However, I will not send out my vote yet, because if there is anything I have learned in my first day of mafia, then it is to have patience.
I do find the people not talking suspicious, as well, but for now I think getting rid of the most influencial and powerful mafias first, is a good idea. However, I want more opinions from TheWeakGuy48_, Samlen, Mulbery and Caff, and hope you will use your votes. Otherwise the mafia votes will become very strong each day!
I also town-read Nottykitten, and have strong feelings about who could be doctor, and a little feeling of who that could be Vigilante.
Infected_alien8_
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actually wow I really enjoyed that post
your observation of Igg is interesting for sure, and I look forward to his response (if he makes one)
I can tell you that HK didn't cult me last night but obviously whether you want to believe that is up to you, but I'm not sure what reason I'd have to lie about it since it just confirms someone as innocent for town.
The only thing I'm confused on is this part -
I think it's really interesting that you're new to the game but are someone I kind of see as a strong player already, like, wow
And unusual, can I ask for your opinion on TWG?
your observation of Igg is interesting for sure, and I look forward to his response (if he makes one)
I can tell you that HK didn't cult me last night but obviously whether you want to believe that is up to you, but I'm not sure what reason I'd have to lie about it since it just confirms someone as innocent for town.
The only thing I'm confused on is this part -
What did you mean in the bolded bit? I'm a bit confused, sorry. What was "also why a cult leader would share his/her role"? The fact that they could use it to help town, you mean, or?
I think it's really interesting that you're new to the game but are someone I kind of see as a strong player already, like, wow
And unusual, can I ask for your opinion on TWG?
In response to what unu said, I have found infected suspicious throughout the whole game and as a result, have been trying to get him lynched. the fact that ender and I voted for jivvi at the same time proves nothing as there was a bandwagon picking up momentum (9 people voted for him in all). While I voted for samlen and have found his supicious, I haven't really pursued him anymore.
I might go back to samlen though as I said earlier that I'll try to find out different mafias.
If two people were mafia then they wouldn't be stupid enough as to vote for the same person at the same time over and over again. Yes, you could believe this as a doublebluff but it was just a coincidence, I assure you.
I might go back to samlen though as I said earlier that I'll try to find out different mafias.
If two people were mafia then they wouldn't be stupid enough as to vote for the same person at the same time over and over again. Yes, you could believe this as a doublebluff but it was just a coincidence, I assure you.
Infected_alien8_
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Infected_alien8_
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that's pretty suspiciousA list of useful synonyms for "suspicious" if anyone needs them. I find myself using suspicious too often.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
to be fair i was the one who proposed it in the first place
guys do you want me to try and do my bigger post now on this shitty mobile phone or do you think you can hold on til tomorrow when i can actually use a computer
I'd agree with unu that Iggish is acting very suspicious. From my point of view it seems like Iggish is trying to get others to trust him by backing them. My theory is that Iggish is letting others lead the claim that someone is a mafia, and then supports to get them to trust him. So I think that Iggish is a mafia.
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
you forgot my susp on caff
I think this is right? You said I was acting strange but also defended me at some points so I didn't make you suspicious of me but let me know if that needs to change
Infected_alien8_
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but it's not a real suspicion so it will mess up the graph
THIS GRAPH WILL BE IMPORTANT IN THE COMING DAYS, WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE SHIFT IN DYNAMICS AND NOTICE PATTERNS AND STUFF
WE MUST
PROTECT IT