The Red Scare [Game Over]
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Untrue, I got a random Irish woman called Moira from a dictation app to read it... I just listened... also i feel she quit half way through because the voice changed xD
also was the message of that whole post
'I am suspicious of Unu Mulb & Inf'
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I'm on mobile so quotes are a little weird, so I'm just gonna use quotation marks so bear with me if it gets hard to read.
"You'd say that, wouldn't you?"
Well, I mean, what else would I say?
"During this entire game, you have not had a single original opinion, nor have you contributed much to the discussion. That would actually be par for the course for you, wouldn't it? Lurking and generally just not doing much? Well, it seems to me you're not really doing that any more, either."
You seem to be questioning my style here, or am I getting this wrong? Generally I refrain from posting anything unless I am absolutely sure that the opinions I have are decently justified by some sort of evidence, which is why for the most part, I've been lurking quite a bit. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.
"Let's take a look at all three of the substantial posts you've made.
I do have to say you have a way of saying nothing while using a whole lot of words for it. All the people you mentioned, you didn't actually give any opinion on. You just said: "Yep, they're in the game, not sure what I think about them." There was one exception, though. Iggish, you said, tried awfully hard to fit in. While still not saying much, it at least implies that there is some degree of suspicion against Iggish there and this was right at the time when Iggish was getting heat from Inf and Unu."
I wasn't suspicious of iggy, actually. I had mentioned that votes like these would've been easily taken outta context, and by posting that I simply acknowledged that unu's argument is not out of the question.
"There was also some speculation against Inf, but again, as he already pointed out in response, this wasn't really a new point either, as several people, including myself, had already noted that Inf seemed to be trying too hard to look like a townie."
Again, this goes back to how I'm relatively reserved when it comes to writing down my thoughts unless I'm absolutely certain about it, except this time round I've opened up a bit - the posts I made, including the one you mentioned, are built on what was previously argued. Yes, they're points that have been previously raised, but I am simply clearing my thoughts and putting them across.
"And then I put the heat on Inf and you followed up with this:Is it just me, or does Mulb like saying things that other people are saying at the time?"
Back to the previous point again. Most of my posts are meant to acknowledge previous points and to either clear my thoughts a bit by keeping them organized, or to raise things that I need clarification on. You won't see me raising new points unless I'm sure about them.
"And then the third, which came shortly after the second:A whole lot of numbers and no real substance. You draw the conclusion that the vig didn't kill due to inactivity, which, I might add as a side note, is untrue in all likelihood, given how short the night was, but it doesn't really show anything. It doesn't show how Inf is mafia, it doesn't draw any conclusions that might help us lead a lynch on a scum. What it does do, however, is show you contributing to the discussion, because look, there was math in my post and everything!"
I like numbers. And no, I did not conclude that vig didn't kill due to activity. I said that I am inclined to believe so because it only makes sense for a vig to do something that night (as I have previously stated, due to the chances of striking mafia), and since there probably was no vig kill that was the other option.
You mention how it doesn't contribute to the discussion. That's not true. I posted because I had a reason to post. I wanted to get peoples' opinions on two things which I clearly raised in the post: 1, if inffy was mafia and wanted to kill hip, the rest of mafia would not necessarily agree to that, and 2, if there was no vig kill, why?
"Now, I'm not saying you're mafia. All I'm saying is that you're showing some pretty common signs of a mafioso: going with majority opinion, trying to make yourself look useful while really not contributing anything, hesitating to give strong opinions about people, preferring to point out that they might be suspicious for one reason or another, but you're just not sure at all."
I get how you might've arrived in that situation, but I'll clear up a few things: I am not going with majority opinion, I am merely joining in the conversation about the majority opinion. Pretending I'm useful - see above.
Hesitating to give strong opinions on people - I don't give strong opinions unless I have strong evidence, and so far I don't.
I'll also clarify a few things while I'm at it - I've never explicitly stated that I've had a suspicion on anyone on the game. Not that I don't, but at this point my opinions are constantly changing and so are these suspicions, so I can't nail it down for sure yet.
I did mention that I was doubtful. I mentioned that I was doubtful of what inffy had said and hence I did what was reasonable - I went back through the thread and quoted what I had doubts about, and raised these doubts to inffy so that hopefully I can get a clarification, or if he doesn't reply with something I'm satisfied with, I could bring it further from there.
"You'd say that, wouldn't you?"
Well, I mean, what else would I say?
"During this entire game, you have not had a single original opinion, nor have you contributed much to the discussion. That would actually be par for the course for you, wouldn't it? Lurking and generally just not doing much? Well, it seems to me you're not really doing that any more, either."
You seem to be questioning my style here, or am I getting this wrong? Generally I refrain from posting anything unless I am absolutely sure that the opinions I have are decently justified by some sort of evidence, which is why for the most part, I've been lurking quite a bit. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.
"Let's take a look at all three of the substantial posts you've made.
I do have to say you have a way of saying nothing while using a whole lot of words for it. All the people you mentioned, you didn't actually give any opinion on. You just said: "Yep, they're in the game, not sure what I think about them." There was one exception, though. Iggish, you said, tried awfully hard to fit in. While still not saying much, it at least implies that there is some degree of suspicion against Iggish there and this was right at the time when Iggish was getting heat from Inf and Unu."
I wasn't suspicious of iggy, actually. I had mentioned that votes like these would've been easily taken outta context, and by posting that I simply acknowledged that unu's argument is not out of the question.
"There was also some speculation against Inf, but again, as he already pointed out in response, this wasn't really a new point either, as several people, including myself, had already noted that Inf seemed to be trying too hard to look like a townie."
Again, this goes back to how I'm relatively reserved when it comes to writing down my thoughts unless I'm absolutely certain about it, except this time round I've opened up a bit - the posts I made, including the one you mentioned, are built on what was previously argued. Yes, they're points that have been previously raised, but I am simply clearing my thoughts and putting them across.
"And then I put the heat on Inf and you followed up with this:Is it just me, or does Mulb like saying things that other people are saying at the time?"
Back to the previous point again. Most of my posts are meant to acknowledge previous points and to either clear my thoughts a bit by keeping them organized, or to raise things that I need clarification on. You won't see me raising new points unless I'm sure about them.
"And then the third, which came shortly after the second:A whole lot of numbers and no real substance. You draw the conclusion that the vig didn't kill due to inactivity, which, I might add as a side note, is untrue in all likelihood, given how short the night was, but it doesn't really show anything. It doesn't show how Inf is mafia, it doesn't draw any conclusions that might help us lead a lynch on a scum. What it does do, however, is show you contributing to the discussion, because look, there was math in my post and everything!"
I like numbers. And no, I did not conclude that vig didn't kill due to activity. I said that I am inclined to believe so because it only makes sense for a vig to do something that night (as I have previously stated, due to the chances of striking mafia), and since there probably was no vig kill that was the other option.
You mention how it doesn't contribute to the discussion. That's not true. I posted because I had a reason to post. I wanted to get peoples' opinions on two things which I clearly raised in the post: 1, if inffy was mafia and wanted to kill hip, the rest of mafia would not necessarily agree to that, and 2, if there was no vig kill, why?
"Now, I'm not saying you're mafia. All I'm saying is that you're showing some pretty common signs of a mafioso: going with majority opinion, trying to make yourself look useful while really not contributing anything, hesitating to give strong opinions about people, preferring to point out that they might be suspicious for one reason or another, but you're just not sure at all."
I get how you might've arrived in that situation, but I'll clear up a few things: I am not going with majority opinion, I am merely joining in the conversation about the majority opinion. Pretending I'm useful - see above.
Hesitating to give strong opinions on people - I don't give strong opinions unless I have strong evidence, and so far I don't.
I'll also clarify a few things while I'm at it - I've never explicitly stated that I've had a suspicion on anyone on the game. Not that I don't, but at this point my opinions are constantly changing and so are these suspicions, so I can't nail it down for sure yet.
I did mention that I was doubtful. I mentioned that I was doubtful of what inffy had said and hence I did what was reasonable - I went back through the thread and quoted what I had doubts about, and raised these doubts to inffy so that hopefully I can get a clarification, or if he doesn't reply with something I'm satisfied with, I could bring it further from there.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
most of the post was me responding to the suspicions inf and unu had
but yes, and part of the reason this game is so confusing is that i'm one of the few that actually bothers to explain my reasonings beyond simple claims
Alright, I promised my opinion so here it is:
I think that Inffy is a villager. I mean it dosent make any sense for him to try to vote out hip and then to kill him on the first night. The mafia killed hip knowing that Inf suspected hip, so that people would start being suspicious. I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia. He did have 5 votes on him the first day so it would not suprise me if the mafia intentially killed inf, knowing that people would be suspicious towards him. I think that the mafias are mostly the guys supporting the lynch on inffy, with very weak claims.
What I think about people:
-Inffy: Getting blamed on for hip. In my eyes innocent
-HKCaper: Instantly voting on inffy after hip was killed, because inffy «suspected» him. He is even trying to force a deadline (so that no one gets voted out?) because the thread is becoming «inactive», as if another dead person would help that. I am convinced he is a mafia.
-Iggish: I originally thought (and still thinks) that Iggish is mafia. But we probaly won’t get a majority vote for someone that dosent already have a vote. Honestly the discussing between us is mostly stupid right now, and I can’t be bothered with so little to work on.
My suspicious without claims:
-Unu: Probaly mafia, who knows. Can’t trust everyone
-Enderfive: He is probaly a mafia bud with HKCaper.
-Foggy: I think he is innocent. Havent really checked into his stuff yet.
-Aqua: Guarenteed to be mafia.
-As with the rest I have really no clue yet.
This game looks like to be VERY easy for the mafia right now, as we need 8 people to lynch someone. And obviously the mafia is trying to spread out our votes, as we need 8 votes to lynch someone. I mean at this point I can’t see how we, villagers, are going to even win this because we need to lynch at least 1 mafia in the next two round otherwise we’re dead. So right now there’s 14 people in this game, we need 8 to lynch, we have 9 non-mafias which means that we need almost all of the votes to vote someone out. I mean it’s obvious that we can’t reach 8 votes on someone unless someone does make it very clear their mafia. Is mafia usually this hard? Or is it more of a cult vs cult instead of mafia vs svillagers.
Also a question for Ltin: Can the mafia speak with each others during the day?
I think that Inffy is a villager. I mean it dosent make any sense for him to try to vote out hip and then to kill him on the first night. The mafia killed hip knowing that Inf suspected hip, so that people would start being suspicious. I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia. He did have 5 votes on him the first day so it would not suprise me if the mafia intentially killed inf, knowing that people would be suspicious towards him. I think that the mafias are mostly the guys supporting the lynch on inffy, with very weak claims.
What I think about people:
-Inffy: Getting blamed on for hip. In my eyes innocent
-HKCaper: Instantly voting on inffy after hip was killed, because inffy «suspected» him. He is even trying to force a deadline (so that no one gets voted out?) because the thread is becoming «inactive», as if another dead person would help that. I am convinced he is a mafia.
-Iggish: I originally thought (and still thinks) that Iggish is mafia. But we probaly won’t get a majority vote for someone that dosent already have a vote. Honestly the discussing between us is mostly stupid right now, and I can’t be bothered with so little to work on.
My suspicious without claims:
-Unu: Probaly mafia, who knows. Can’t trust everyone
-Enderfive: He is probaly a mafia bud with HKCaper.
-Foggy: I think he is innocent. Havent really checked into his stuff yet.
-Aqua: Guarenteed to be mafia.
-As with the rest I have really no clue yet.
This game looks like to be VERY easy for the mafia right now, as we need 8 people to lynch someone. And obviously the mafia is trying to spread out our votes, as we need 8 votes to lynch someone. I mean at this point I can’t see how we, villagers, are going to even win this because we need to lynch at least 1 mafia in the next two round otherwise we’re dead. So right now there’s 14 people in this game, we need 8 to lynch, we have 9 non-mafias which means that we need almost all of the votes to vote someone out. I mean it’s obvious that we can’t reach 8 votes on someone unless someone does make it very clear their mafia. Is mafia usually this hard? Or is it more of a cult vs cult instead of mafia vs svillagers.
Also a question for Ltin: Can the mafia speak with each others during the day?
I find this an interesting point. Due to the fact that Inffy could quite possibly have been 'framed' due to his suspicions on Hip. However, you could take this the other way and say that by having the option to 'Frame' himself he is reducing the suspicion. Also Inf has stated how he felt that Hip was acting differently, perhaps this is true, but in the respect that Inf is Maf and was convinced that Hip was a Town PR and therefore by either getting him lynched or killing him day one he would have eliminated a threat for his team. This is one of the main reasons I am keeping my vote on Inf. Yes, I think that he is trying too hard to be town and that some of his terrible jokes are an attempt to make people think that he is friendly, yet the idea of Hip being killed when only he showed real suspicion on him is a little too suspicious for me.
Going back to Mulb's point of Mafia agreeing to killing hip. In this game we do have some new faces who don't know how people act. Like last game when I was mafia I didn't know who were strong players and who i needed to look out for so I listened to what my team-mates asked me to do and followed through with it. Therefore if Inf is mafia he has knowledge of the game and of some players and is probably in a position where he can manipulate them to do what he wants. Furthermore, If Inf was convinced that Hip was a Town PR and went into Mafia chat with that mind-set due to the fact that no other players have revealed themselves and the cop has already been killed, taking a stab in the dark on a 'Vibe' kill could only have positive outcomes of 'we kill a townie' or the bonus of 'we killed an important townie'.
I'm pretty sure that they would be unable to as I don't think that it is the case in many games where there is an active private day chat for many roles... but Ltin correct me if I am wrong, please.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Wow you just took my name out of thin air what am I doing there I never do suspicious things..
But since we all agree aqua is scummy can we lynch him? After my 10/10 vote on Inf which was a reaction test to see if Foggy would unvote or not (which did not get the results I was hoping for), Aqua seemed eager to throw his vote on Inf. I just find it very scummy and he was probably looking for an easy lynch again.
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Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
I also want to point out reverse psychology exists; making the belief that hip being killed doesn't make inf look suspicious pointless. I very much suspect inf for wanting to night kill hip if mafia because A) his strong argument against hip on the day 0 may have been part of a ploy to play into day 1 and B) the thing he posted straight after (cba to find the quote again, since I already talked about this), seems to me him trying to awkwardly disassociate himself from this; and C) Apparently people are going to fall for it and support inf purely because "I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia."
This obviously isn't my only suspicion on inf, or why I'm voting for him, his wording of posts and his attitude this game reek of scum to me, again, still not gonna be very active, for a short while, but just giving my 2 cents. ciao.
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
I've been strongly for a inf lynch since day 0, the only reason I "eagerly" voted inf then was because I hadn't realised I wasn't voting for him so stuck together a "for reasons previously stated, plus points made by others" vote
In response to weak's eventual answer:
"I think that Inffy is a villager. I mean it dosent make any sense for him to try to vote out hip and then to kill him on the first night. The mafia killed hip knowing that Inf suspected hip, so that people would start being suspicious. I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia. He did have 5 votes on him the first day so it would not suprise me if the mafia intentially killed inf, knowing that people would be suspicious towards him. I think that the mafias are mostly the guys supporting the lynch on inffy, with very weak claims."
One of my mafia suspects is protecting another mafia suspect \o/
Seriosuly though, this just looks like protection, and poorly done too. Weak says that the people voting against inf have no real claims, "very weak claims" to quote directly. Now I just don't think that this is true. We all have our reasons and they're hardly "very weak". What is very weak seems to be the response that I have been waiting for for almost two and a half days. You say that you think inf is a town, why? IMO, this is just a desparate attempt at protection.
"This game looks like to be VERY easy for the mafia right now, as we need 8 people to lynch someone. And obviously the mafia is trying to spread out our votes, as we need 8 votes to lynch someone. I mean at this point I can’t see how we, villagers, are going to even win this because we need to lynch at least 1 mafia in the next two round otherwise we’re dead. So right now there’s 14 people in this game, we need 8 to lynch, we have 9 non-mafias which means that we need almost all of the votes to vote someone out. I mean it’s obvious that we can’t reach 8 votes on someone unless someone does make it very clear their mafia. Is mafia usually this hard? Or is it more of a cult vs cult instead of mafia vs svillagers."
I can't help that the personal pronoun "we" here is used way to often to try to make us think that you are indeed a town. You still haven't responded to my accusations. Heck, you haven't even defended yourself at all here. I made some pretty accusing notes abotu you and you seem to have just forgotten them.
Also, the fact that weak seems to be protecting Inf so much might betray the fact that inf could be a head mafia. If he is the head mafia, then he could've killed hip easier, without a huge mafia debate. Because of weak's in-existent defence and attempts to protect inf. Weak says why he thinks he isn't mafia, not why he thinks he is a town. IMO weak is trying to bring attention away from both him and inf.
I recommend that we lynch inf, then if he was a mafia, lynch weak too. I mean, surely I can't be the only one who sees this at the moment. Inf has been shady, weak has been shady and now a shady person is defending a shady person for apparently no good reason.
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"I think that Inffy is a villager. I mean it dosent make any sense for him to try to vote out hip and then to kill him on the first night. The mafia killed hip knowing that Inf suspected hip, so that people would start being suspicious. I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia. He did have 5 votes on him the first day so it would not suprise me if the mafia intentially killed inf, knowing that people would be suspicious towards him. I think that the mafias are mostly the guys supporting the lynch on inffy, with very weak claims."
One of my mafia suspects is protecting another mafia suspect \o/
Seriosuly though, this just looks like protection, and poorly done too. Weak says that the people voting against inf have no real claims, "very weak claims" to quote directly. Now I just don't think that this is true. We all have our reasons and they're hardly "very weak". What is very weak seems to be the response that I have been waiting for for almost two and a half days. You say that you think inf is a town, why? IMO, this is just a desparate attempt at protection.
"This game looks like to be VERY easy for the mafia right now, as we need 8 people to lynch someone. And obviously the mafia is trying to spread out our votes, as we need 8 votes to lynch someone. I mean at this point I can’t see how we, villagers, are going to even win this because we need to lynch at least 1 mafia in the next two round otherwise we’re dead. So right now there’s 14 people in this game, we need 8 to lynch, we have 9 non-mafias which means that we need almost all of the votes to vote someone out. I mean it’s obvious that we can’t reach 8 votes on someone unless someone does make it very clear their mafia. Is mafia usually this hard? Or is it more of a cult vs cult instead of mafia vs svillagers."
I can't help that the personal pronoun "we" here is used way to often to try to make us think that you are indeed a town. You still haven't responded to my accusations. Heck, you haven't even defended yourself at all here. I made some pretty accusing notes abotu you and you seem to have just forgotten them.
Also, the fact that weak seems to be protecting Inf so much might betray the fact that inf could be a head mafia. If he is the head mafia, then he could've killed hip easier, without a huge mafia debate. Because of weak's in-existent defence and attempts to protect inf. Weak says why he thinks he isn't mafia, not why he thinks he is a town. IMO weak is trying to bring attention away from both him and inf.
I recommend that we lynch inf, then if he was a mafia, lynch weak too. I mean, surely I can't be the only one who sees this at the moment. Inf has been shady, weak has been shady and now a shady person is defending a shady person for apparently no good reason.
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Also, am I the only one who thinks that aqua might be the vigilante?
First of all, inf and aqua are going at it pretty hard so I doubt that.
Secondly, that famous slip that inf is constantly going on about (reinforces my resolve that they are not working together). Aqua's use of "my actions" in reference to Hip. Aqua's defence was that they were tired and so made that mistake instead of saying their. Well, you being tired could be the exact reason you typed it also, with your guard being down.
It seems to click into place when I look back at it. Idk though, just thoughts.
First of all, inf and aqua are going at it pretty hard so I doubt that.
Secondly, that famous slip that inf is constantly going on about (reinforces my resolve that they are not working together). Aqua's use of "my actions" in reference to Hip. Aqua's defence was that they were tired and so made that mistake instead of saying their. Well, you being tired could be the exact reason you typed it also, with your guard being down.
It seems to click into place when I look back at it. Idk though, just thoughts.