The Red Scare [Game Over]

Enderfive

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right now i'm personally thinking that foggy, twg and iggish are the remaining mafia, reasons being:

iggish - the way he's been trying to discuss the identity of the vig + the way he had the argument against me ready to be used, as i described in my last post
foggy - notty's accusation + the way he wanted to lynch inf yesterday, but between aqua and twg chose to lynch aqua
twg - gut feeling + the way foggy and mulb chose to vote aqua over him, for reasons i described in my last post

i'm not 100% sure in this at all, but i feel like this is the likeliest option right now
 

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This was the first time anyone mentioned the "buddying up" after Aqua was confirmed as scum. My first question was, what attention might you be talking about? My second question was, is this some bs strategy to take attention away from the fact that I just voted you? But most importantly, it got me thinking that if Aqua's plan had been to frame me in case he died, surely he would've told his mafia buddies of that plan so when the time came, they could set it in motion? How curious then, that the person under most suspicion at the time (due to him wanting to discuss the Vig again, which I might add, is extremely scummy in a situation where the Vig is the only PR left) would be the one to raise the question first, and not as a separate point, but as a distraction from the suspicion put on him at the time, almost like he had the argument waiting in his back pocket the whole time, just waiting for the right moment.
You just voted me out of the blue and didn't give any reasons. You still haven't given the reasons why you voted me at the start of this day.
Also don't BS, you knew someone was going to bring up the aqua buddying thing sooner or later and so you made your move first, trying to draw attention away. It doesn't matter if you are mafia or town, you still voted me to to draw attention away from yourself.
 

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a. Unu is town. If I recall correctly, both Inffy and Ender(?) have mentioned that they thought Unu was town (correct me If I am wrong). Furthermore, I find it unlikely that both Unu and TWG are mafia.
b. Oak is mafia, taking into consideration this quote:
I'd like to hear from everyone I have stated as town; Iggy, Unu, Inffy and Ender, what they think of my believes. Everyone I stated as mafia, feel free to reply aswell.
Personally, I'd be more inclined to think that unu is mafia provided that TWG is mafia. He has seemed to defend him on quite a few occasions.
Idk what to think about Oak, I'm slightly town-reading him but I could be massively wrong as I also town read Aqua and we all know how that turned out. Oak is also playing in a similar style to Mulb who was mafia and if anything, is acting more scummy but idk.
It's funny how all the other 3 people you stated as town I think may be mafia.
I am trying to get this whole thing to make sense. For the post I am about to write, I want to say I am placing some major trust into several questionable figures, namely Notty and Ender, which is a risk I am willing to take this early on in the day.

As I said I am placing full trust in Notty and Ender for now, which means I believe what they say 100% for this post, causing me to draw some conclusions:
Tbh, I don't really know what's going on between notty and mooglie at the moment so I can't really give a valid opinion.
Yes, this is because he attacked me for no apparent reason and I'm quite pissed off at it, but I don't trust Ender at all. I believe he was mafia alongside Aqua and by killing aqua, hoped to gain townreads.
 

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Okay, coming with some thoughts...

I will first to start with why I believe Caff was killed.
Currently the Mafias most of all want to kill the vigilante. As I have said before I believed that the Vigilante could have decided to not kill the first day, (or the vigilante killed Hip, or the cop saved the vigkill). If the vigilante actually did decide to not kill the first day, it could mean that, as Caffe said well herself:
if we consider that route and not the doctor-was-successful one, that would mean the vig would be one of the more careful players among us
One of the more careful players would probably not go for a lynch the first day. There was 12 people who voted for a lynch first day, while 9 of them was for a jivvi-lunch (as from what I can see. Correct me if I am wrong). If we now look at the people who did no vote that day we find: Mulbery, Jivvi, Caffe and Ooglie. Since Jivvi was lynched first day and Mulbery was mafia, we are left with Ooglie and Caffe. The mafias might have thought this way, and killed one of them to try to take the Vigilante. Also, if it turned out that Caff was not a vigilante, it could look like the vigilante killed her. However, that would depend on who the vigilante killed.
Since caff turned out to be a doctor, and everyone who did not want a lynch on day 0 are lynched, except for Ooglie which most likely is a cult leader, it makes me wonder if the vigilante did try to kill someone first day. If he did, the doctor would have saved someone, and since a doctor wants to save people he/she thinks are townies. While none of this has to be true, I do wonder if Caff saved someone Infected was suspicious of. If so, she might have thought that Infected was a mafia and been the reason for why she tunnelled Infected. That might be why she wanted to vote for weak, since Infected didn’t.


What I found very interesting is that Mulbery chose to vote for lynching his fellow mafia friend. I believe one of these could be the reason his vote on Aqua.

1. Weak also is a mafia, and therefore Mulbery could vote for the person which would make him less suspicious. Either way it would “help” the town, and it would then also make person he did not vote for less suspicious. It could make us want to vote against Ender, Oak, Iggish, HKCaper and Caffe. However, he could as well have done the same to us with lynching Weak, and create suspicions around me, Infected, Notty, Ooglie and Foggy. Honestly, I think that would be a smarter move, since most of the people who voted for Weak seemed to have a very clear opinion.

2. Weak is a non-mafia, and Mulbery believed that it would take too many mafia votes to lynch him. Therefore, they instead could split their votes, and make they look less like a team, even though they had to sacrifise Aqua. If they lynched Weak, they could have thought that the Vigilante could easily track one of them, and that we could see a pattern the next day.

3. Weak is a non-mafia and mulbery thought that Weak would end up with more votes anyway. He would vote for Weak to make himself less suspicious. However, I find this unlikely since when Mul gave his vote only Samlen, Ooglie, Aqua and Foggy had yet to give their vote and it was currently a 5 – 5. It was both likely that Aqua would vote for Weak, and Foggy for Aqua at that time, and since Samlen would not vote, it really was dependent if Ooglie would vote for Aqua or Weak, or if someone changed their vote.


When we lynched Aqua, which I thought was a miracle. I was also pretty sure people would see a pattern and that people who did vote for a weak-lynch would be much more suspicious. I thought we easily could track the rest of the mafias due to this. I also lowered my suspections to Foggy, which I was quite surprised about not voting for a Weak-lynch. However, my thoughts have changed drastically as Mulbery was revealed to be a mafia. Most likely I believe Mulbery chose to do this because of reason 2 (see above), and wanted to get us to next day lynch the same people that wanted a weaklynch. Reason 1 for voting Aqua could also be possible. Both reasons are likely and from what I can see, and both would make people who wanted to lynch weak much more suspicious. It makes me believe that there might be more mafias that could have voted for lynching Aqua. This could be entirely wrong, but if that is true we have don’t have many suspects left as we can remove Ooglie, Mulbery and Notty.


Then going to the cult discussion.

Right now, I am pretty sure Ooglie is the patriot leader, since Infected, Notty and Ooglie himself say so, and that Notty is the communist leader. I also believe oak and infected are two of their members chosen first day. Right now, both cults are saying that they both successfully got a new member first night but not the second night, Notty because he tried to convert Ooglie (which is the patriot leader), and Ooglie because he tried to convert Mulbery, which died. Notty also says that when he tried to convert Ooglie, he found out that foggy which Ooglie converted, was a mafia.
(tell me if anything of this is wrong)

I think that what Notty has said so far sounds pretty reliable, since he knew Ooglie was the patriot leader. While Ooglie is claiming he instead converted Mulbery, I would believe it is a normal cult leader move so he would not lose a member. I don’t really see any reasons for why Notty would not tell the truth, other than if he knew that Foggy was a townie patriot. Then again, I would not see why Infected says Mulbery was converted instead. However, if Foggy was converted and Infected confirmed so, everyone would assume Foggy actually is the mafia because Notty said so, and that might be why Infected would lie. Infected could also be saying so because he knows Foggy is a mafia. While I currently believe Ooglie has converted Foggy, that does not necessarily mean he is mafia.


I currently town-read Infected, I feel like Iggish is a mafia. I am not sure about Ender but since the Mulbkill my suspisions around him has lowered. I also feel like Weak is town, but he might as well not be.
 

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Also don't BS, you knew someone was going to bring up the aqua buddying thing sooner or later and so you made your move first, trying to draw attention away. It doesn't matter if you are mafia or town, you still voted me to to draw attention away from yourself.
of course i bloody knew someone was going to bring it up, it was obvious the minute aqua flipped mafia; what i wanted to know was who it would be

i voted you because you were still pushing for the vig identity and i wanted to put pressure on you to see what you'd do, and you reacted just the way i figured you would if you were mafia
 

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well i want to start by saying im very insulted that everyone is trusting notty over me
but recruiting doesn't change win condition, so if we would all just wait for oak to confirm that notty is lying about foggy since mulbery flipped patriot last night meaning that notty pulled foggy out of thin air THEN we can talk about trust </3
jerks :(
 

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okay, the way i see it there's two options here with notty/oog:

1. Notty's telling the truth, Foggy flipped maf and Oog is lying to keep his own cultists alive. This presents us with the problem of Inf. Inf is so far confirming Oog's story (correct me if I'm wrong here, I can't be bothered to check rn). This would mean that it's most likely that Inf is also maf and is trying to protect Foggy by going along with Oog's story. This would present us with the problem that Aqua was attacking Inf from Day 0, but I think that if we assume that Notty's telling the truth, then it's possible that Aqua was doing it so that if he dies, Inf would be all but cleared. Kinda like he did with framing me, only the exact opposite, and although in most cases I'd consider this far-fetched, then in the light of me knowing that he did indeed have a plan in case he died, as evidenced by his plan to drag me down with him, I'm a bit more willing to consider this as a possibility. It would also mean that I'd have to adjust my maf suspicions a bit, switching Inf with either TWG or Iggish.

2. Ooglie is telling the truth, Notty is lying about Foggy and god knows what else, in which case I still have no clue what's going on.

All in all, I think right now that the best lynch would be Foggy. If he flips maf, Inf is likely to be maf as well, if he doesn't, then we know Notty's lying, Inf's likely town, and I still won't have any clue as to what's happening.
 

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well i wouldn't say foggy flipping mafia confirms notty's story, just that notty is good at the game

but before any lynches i think it'd be best for oak to respond + everyone to decide on who notty should recruit tonight and who i should recruit tonight (so we can't be accused of having a mafia on our team who told us to recruit their mafia partner to back up the lie)

communists: person recruited will see that mulb flipped patriot
patriots: person recruited will see me asking inf who to recruit (and deciding on mulb) + the fact foggy isn't in the conversation (mulb isn't either since they get added in morning and obv mulb was dead)

mafia can't kill both recruited people and so notty will be proved a liar one way or another!
 

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All in all, I think right now that the best lynch would be Foggy. If he flips maf, Inf is likely to be maf as well, if he doesn't, then we know Notty's lying, Inf's likely town, and I still won't have any clue as to what's happening.
The question is if Ooglie converted foggy or not. If Notty got to know a person Ooglie converted, he can claim that the person has any role to make him get lynched or nightkilled. I do not find any reasons why Nottykitten would lie about Foggy being converted. However, Infected could lie for these two reasons:
1. Infected is a mafia and does not want Foggy to be killed.
2. Infected is a townie and don't want people to lynch Foggy for the reason that they assume Nottykitten tells the truth about Foggy's role.
 

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Well I tried! I mean I 100% expected my communist would come forward and call me out eventually but was hoping they wouldn't. Ohwell this kinda puts me and Oog at a stalemate. Still think we should lynch Foggy though.
WHOS THE TRUSTWORTHY GUY NOW
(oops posted in caps i've offended hk)
Me! Clearly I just wanted to gain favor with the town my lynching a Mafia.
 

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of course i bloody knew someone was going to bring it up, it was obvious the minute aqua flipped mafia; what i wanted to know was who it would be

i voted you because you were still pushing for the vig identity and i wanted to put pressure on you to see what you'd do, and you reacted just the way i figured you would if you were mafia
I wasn't pushing for the vig identity. I accused Aqua of being the vig once, how is that pushing?
 
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