Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]
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cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I FLEW TO MELBOURNE BECAUSE I COULDN'T HANDLE IT, I'LL BRING KRISPY KREMES BACK?????I just realised that with Notty dead we won't have any more crunchy donuts to enjoy, that makes me even more sadI shall avenge this death! Donuts + Beer = heavenly combo.
(God damn they're amazing. Reading again brb)
This is the first time I have posted something like that :c all the other things were me trying to help us and I somehow just keep giving people the wrong idea.
Is it a coincidence that Notty ran a donut shop and:
Coolio secretly stole all the donuts from the closed-down shop, maifa confrimd
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Um it was purely a joke >w<
About 5 minutes ago I was like "I think that OMO is mafia"
I can't exactly do too much, can someone confirm if there was said anything at the start if the game about fool roles? Omo might be a fool, hence the not caring about people voting on him
I know, I was joking too x) hence the satirical misspelling of "mafia confirmed"
Shit, I can't believe I didn't think of this. I literally was reading about it at school the other day thinking "what a dumb role." :c still, I think the choo choo has gone too far to just stop at a little possibility., blood is craved mhuhhahuaha. Raxo didn't put up much of a fight in Plane Troubles either but that was seriously just him.
Ansoro2112
Hottie
Honestly I still don't quite understand about having a "spokesman" for every room or whatever. I don't get how that will help us at all. Just keep in mind being the spokesman doesn't make you inno. You can easily be anti town and be playing us with whatever you tell us.
Right now I don't have strong suspicious for either Swate or OldManOak. It's just not enough for me to vote for one of those two.
Swate seems to me like he's digging a hole every time he opens his mouth but I just have this feeling he will turn out being one silly town member.
And OldManOak saying "It was just part of the plan" was weird indeed. I even mentioned in DAY 0 how quickly he voted for Tim. But again, is not enough for me.
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What I do find weird right now was all the talk about the items.
I do understand what Jivvi's intention was but I DO NOT get Fiesta at all. Trying to make a list of every item and who might have one. Etc. That seems to me like a way to try to get as much information as possible for his own purpose. I don't really see any "positive things" for us town to all reveal if we have an item or not.
Right now you're my fos, Fiesta. But I'm not voting you just yet. I want you to explain to me better what was going through your head by doing that. What was your objective? Because I still don't get it.
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Right now I don't have strong suspicious for either Swate or OldManOak. It's just not enough for me to vote for one of those two.
Swate seems to me like he's digging a hole every time he opens his mouth but I just have this feeling he will turn out being one silly town member.
And OldManOak saying "It was just part of the plan" was weird indeed. I even mentioned in DAY 0 how quickly he voted for Tim. But again, is not enough for me.
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What I do find weird right now was all the talk about the items.
I do understand what Jivvi's intention was but I DO NOT get Fiesta at all. Trying to make a list of every item and who might have one. Etc. That seems to me like a way to try to get as much information as possible for his own purpose. I don't really see any "positive things" for us town to all reveal if we have an item or not.
Right now you're my fos, Fiesta. But I'm not voting you just yet. I want you to explain to me better what was going through your head by doing that. What was your objective? Because I still don't get it.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
It's Exam season, so I guess the limited activity is kind of expected, and probably will remain for the next week or so.
Honestly, I'm not sold on either of the arguments, but really, what kind of opinion is that when there's essentially no way to back up that opinion besides gut feeling and assumptions? To me, the same could be said about the current votes but it's quite difficult to really say due to how little we're going on.
I've never quite understood at times what people mean by a player essentially "mafia (pirate) slip-ups," because more often than not, they never seem like slip-ups nor anti-town actions in any way to me; but that's mainly because I'm weird like that.
But really, I have yet to really see (nor understand) the reasoning on why Swate "appears to be making pirate-esq slip-ups." The closest thing I can really find that can really be deemed "suspicious" was Swate's constant back-and-forth voting, which frankly, doesn't seem Mafia/Pirate-esq in the slightest, especially considering it was a Day 0. Day 0, in my opinion, is always, and forever shall be (unless some extremely weird role ends up occurring in a future game, but let's not talk about those games, let's talk about now) just a day where we can just get some breathing room to say hi, crack some jokes, and possibly lay down some ideas before the actual game begins, nothing more, and because, more often than not the votes were in jest (a lot of them were, or at least strongly appeared to be in jest), back and forth voting did not exactly... appeal to my thinking that Swate may have anti-town intentions.
The "digging his own hole" business also does not entirely make sense to me, because it just seems like people can't exactly let an idea go, and thus, are not exactly giving him a chance, often just nit-picking every little thing he says. It's less like evidence, more like silly squabbling over nothing.
Plus, this is only... what? Swate's 2nd game? And even then he only made it to Day 2 in Plane Troubles, which isn't very far. I remember many times in the early seasons of Alpha's mafias where innocents were lynched on the basis we are doing now, and more often than not we were all somewhat in a "learning stage." I'm more inclined to feel its just game jitters: it's an expected possibility.
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But those are just opinions gained from not understanding the suspicions on Swate. If someone could elaborate / show the examples, that would be appreciated. But even then, I don't think it would change my opinion, at least not yet.
Honestly, I'm not sold on either of the arguments, but really, what kind of opinion is that when there's essentially no way to back up that opinion besides gut feeling and assumptions? To me, the same could be said about the current votes but it's quite difficult to really say due to how little we're going on.
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Honestly I'm not jumping on Swate because I just feel like the arguments against him just seem... well... bad.
I've never quite understood at times what people mean by a player essentially "mafia (pirate) slip-ups," because more often than not, they never seem like slip-ups nor anti-town actions in any way to me; but that's mainly because I'm weird like that.
But really, I have yet to really see (nor understand) the reasoning on why Swate "appears to be making pirate-esq slip-ups." The closest thing I can really find that can really be deemed "suspicious" was Swate's constant back-and-forth voting, which frankly, doesn't seem Mafia/Pirate-esq in the slightest, especially considering it was a Day 0. Day 0, in my opinion, is always, and forever shall be (unless some extremely weird role ends up occurring in a future game, but let's not talk about those games, let's talk about now) just a day where we can just get some breathing room to say hi, crack some jokes, and possibly lay down some ideas before the actual game begins, nothing more, and because, more often than not the votes were in jest (a lot of them were, or at least strongly appeared to be in jest), back and forth voting did not exactly... appeal to my thinking that Swate may have anti-town intentions.
The "digging his own hole" business also does not entirely make sense to me, because it just seems like people can't exactly let an idea go, and thus, are not exactly giving him a chance, often just nit-picking every little thing he says. It's less like evidence, more like silly squabbling over nothing.
Plus, this is only... what? Swate's 2nd game? And even then he only made it to Day 2 in Plane Troubles, which isn't very far. I remember many times in the early seasons of Alpha's mafias where innocents were lynched on the basis we are doing now, and more often than not we were all somewhat in a "learning stage." I'm more inclined to feel its just game jitters: it's an expected possibility.
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But those are just opinions gained from not understanding the suspicions on Swate. If someone could elaborate / show the examples, that would be appreciated. But even then, I don't think it would change my opinion, at least not yet.
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I'm not going to even say anything about Oak. The source of the suspicion, I quote, "I'm fully aware that the pirates don't know who each other is..." which Oak stated on Day 0 honestly... is very weak. We've essentially put together a story from nothing, and even with the suspicions, personally, I think it could easily be assumed that the pirates probably didn't know who each other was. Was it for flavour that Prizyms said that? Maybe, I don't know, but I have an inclination to believe that it might have some truth to it.
Not to mention that this was a response to Nottykitten earlier who said this in another reply referencing Oak's vote on tim:
Not to mention that this was a response to Nottykitten earlier who said this in another reply referencing Oak's vote on tim:
Which shows even Notty agreed that it was more likely the pirates knew nothing John Snow in terms of their connections. I just feel it's a bit blown up is all.
Not to mention Oak's lack of defense. Oak normally formulates large, often strong defenses, and puts up a good front. He's been lacking this game, similar to last game. Of course, last game he WAS Mafia, and if I recall the only reason he was lynched was because he was quieter than usual.
Oak's lack of defense this time around seems to implicate some sort of Fool role, or he could be town, or he could be anti-town, or many other possibilities which, at the moment, we can't determine at all.
Plus, and this is just a wild theory I've been mulling around since the Oak votes started going on; Oak was the most voted yesterday, and, due to that, had the most suspicions. The fact is: he didn't die. We ran out of time due to the deadline. I would think, with so much suspicion (admittedly over somewhat weak evidence) that some investigative role would have investigated Oak, like a cop or detective, and if he was evil, I'm sure they probably would have claimed so: a waste to kill off an innocent or non-threatening role. Admittedly I'm not throwing in the possibility of possible Godfather role in this theory, but that should be implied from the start.
But that's just a theory. A Game Theory! Thanks for watching.
Not to mention Oak's lack of defense. Oak normally formulates large, often strong defenses, and puts up a good front. He's been lacking this game, similar to last game. Of course, last game he WAS Mafia, and if I recall the only reason he was lynched was because he was quieter than usual.
Oak's lack of defense this time around seems to implicate some sort of Fool role, or he could be town, or he could be anti-town, or many other possibilities which, at the moment, we can't determine at all.
Plus, and this is just a wild theory I've been mulling around since the Oak votes started going on; Oak was the most voted yesterday, and, due to that, had the most suspicions. The fact is: he didn't die. We ran out of time due to the deadline. I would think, with so much suspicion (admittedly over somewhat weak evidence) that some investigative role would have investigated Oak, like a cop or detective, and if he was evil, I'm sure they probably would have claimed so: a waste to kill off an innocent or non-threatening role. Admittedly I'm not throwing in the possibility of possible Godfather role in this theory, but that should be implied from the start.
But that's just a theory. A Game Theory! Thanks for watching.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Hmm, I guess I picked the wrong quote when I talked about Swate. I chose it and went on a tangent on something else. Oh well, the quote I took was still apart of the same post Sam made.
Fiestaguy
The man with 8 fingers.
If memory serves Jivvi had the plan to have items being claimed or something alike (Can't go to past page. School internet sucks >.<) and i made it a list where people could say if they had items. I believe i miswrote a sentence somewhere making the claiming thing look more like an item hunt.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
This was going to be apart of my other post, but I wanted to shorten it.
So Oak and Swate aren't exactly high on my list of "suspects." That might be my mistake: perhaps I'm too trusting, or perhaps I'm too limited on wanting something at least a little concrete and actually has the details on why they are guilty or suspicious or whatever. Perhaps that is my weakness in this game, and I should go with the crowd more. But.. "meh."
Personally, my biggest suspicions are on, well... Jivvi, and frankly, I can't exactly explain why myself. It's really more of a hunch. I just have a bad feeling about him, which isn't a normal for me, but after last game, I'm trying to trust my instincts more. (Those dreams about Notty being evil; the doubt I had for Notty after Ooglie said he "visited" him in the Tribunal room; all those hints and I never took the hit. Urgh!)
It starts with yesterday, day 0. Jivvi seems to be way more active today than previously, where I hardly saw hide nor hair of him. It struck me as strange, but really, that's nothing, and could be anything: schedule conflicts? perhaps he simply had nothing to add to the discussion? I don't know, which is why I shrugged this off: It happens to a lot of players.
But then there was the claim to roleblocked a page earlier, and that stuck out to me as, highly strange.
These sentences just feel... strange, personally.
When I first look at these sentences, it feels like a you're trying to hint at something, but it was incredibly nonchalant and I feel both players, and you, sort of just shrugged it off. From what I can tell you never quite answered Hypes nor Tim's questions about either.
I question: why would this information be needed so early? Why would you need to say you were roleblocked, then immediately, in what I view as, basically threaten a group by saying "You may not want to see what happens if you target me again..."
For starters, I don't quite know why you would say you were roleblocked. Is there a point to it? Normally, unless I had some important action, say like an investigation, but it didn't go through, I would assume I was roleblocked, seeing as I don't recall there ever being a message saying you were targeted when involved with a roleblocker role (and I'm not talking about like, getting a message like with an informant role, I'm talking about from previous games where I don't believe it was released that the player was roleblocked: it had to be assumed. Of course this is also an assumption so take it with a grain of salt)
But even then, even if you knew you were roleblocked, what point is there to say it out loud? No one exactly knows what roles are out there besides... well... pirates (even then we don't know specifics, only the "broad
term), so we can't exactly use roleblocks as a way to whittle down possible anti-town, like you normally can to an extent in some set-ups or situations.
And what's the significance of claiming to be roleblocked? To me, it just doesn't make sense as to why you would claim such a phenomenon so early.
I also question if you really were roleblocked: for what reason would you be chosen? I mean, admittedly it was only the first night, and the first night, like the first day, normally involves tons of just random votes or night actions, but even then, you weren't exactly that big on day 0, certainly not that much to Notty I would believe based on his posts that day, and he was our roleblocker. I can't say anything on the possibility of Mafia roleblocker but... It just seems... strange.
And then there's the "we'll see tonight," and "but as a hint: you may not want to target me again" business.
What, should we believe it to be true, what could "roleblock" in the night have to do with the Mafia "visiting you again?" (oh, and note there, you explicitly say MAFIA, not town, not a possible third-party roleblocker esq-role or even a jailer or anything else. Explicitly Mafia, even though you threw in Notty as a possibility from an earlier post. Why is that? I must say, it is a tad... curious, at best) Would some role be activated simply by being visited?
Honestly, it just seems like a bit of a... hollow threat, like it was meant to be a "threat" to Mafia while being nothing: like a blanket to make it appear that you are some "deadly town" to appear innocent, but is actually hiding some evil intentions.
Who can really say? I can't. All I can really say is that I just find you... horribly strange at the moment.
So Oak and Swate aren't exactly high on my list of "suspects." That might be my mistake: perhaps I'm too trusting, or perhaps I'm too limited on wanting something at least a little concrete and actually has the details on why they are guilty or suspicious or whatever. Perhaps that is my weakness in this game, and I should go with the crowd more. But.. "meh."
Personally, my biggest suspicions are on, well... Jivvi, and frankly, I can't exactly explain why myself. It's really more of a hunch. I just have a bad feeling about him, which isn't a normal for me, but after last game, I'm trying to trust my instincts more. (Those dreams about Notty being evil; the doubt I had for Notty after Ooglie said he "visited" him in the Tribunal room; all those hints and I never took the hit. Urgh!)
It starts with yesterday, day 0. Jivvi seems to be way more active today than previously, where I hardly saw hide nor hair of him. It struck me as strange, but really, that's nothing, and could be anything: schedule conflicts? perhaps he simply had nothing to add to the discussion? I don't know, which is why I shrugged this off: It happens to a lot of players.
But then there was the claim to roleblocked a page earlier, and that stuck out to me as, highly strange.
"I guess we may find out tonight," "you may not want to see what happens if you target me again..."
These sentences just feel... strange, personally.
When I first look at these sentences, it feels like a you're trying to hint at something, but it was incredibly nonchalant and I feel both players, and you, sort of just shrugged it off. From what I can tell you never quite answered Hypes nor Tim's questions about either.
I question: why would this information be needed so early? Why would you need to say you were roleblocked, then immediately, in what I view as, basically threaten a group by saying "You may not want to see what happens if you target me again..."
For starters, I don't quite know why you would say you were roleblocked. Is there a point to it? Normally, unless I had some important action, say like an investigation, but it didn't go through, I would assume I was roleblocked, seeing as I don't recall there ever being a message saying you were targeted when involved with a roleblocker role (and I'm not talking about like, getting a message like with an informant role, I'm talking about from previous games where I don't believe it was released that the player was roleblocked: it had to be assumed. Of course this is also an assumption so take it with a grain of salt)
But even then, even if you knew you were roleblocked, what point is there to say it out loud? No one exactly knows what roles are out there besides... well... pirates (even then we don't know specifics, only the "broad
term), so we can't exactly use roleblocks as a way to whittle down possible anti-town, like you normally can to an extent in some set-ups or situations.
And what's the significance of claiming to be roleblocked? To me, it just doesn't make sense as to why you would claim such a phenomenon so early.
I also question if you really were roleblocked: for what reason would you be chosen? I mean, admittedly it was only the first night, and the first night, like the first day, normally involves tons of just random votes or night actions, but even then, you weren't exactly that big on day 0, certainly not that much to Notty I would believe based on his posts that day, and he was our roleblocker. I can't say anything on the possibility of Mafia roleblocker but... It just seems... strange.
And then there's the "we'll see tonight," and "but as a hint: you may not want to target me again" business.
What, should we believe it to be true, what could "roleblock" in the night have to do with the Mafia "visiting you again?" (oh, and note there, you explicitly say MAFIA, not town, not a possible third-party roleblocker esq-role or even a jailer or anything else. Explicitly Mafia, even though you threw in Notty as a possibility from an earlier post. Why is that? I must say, it is a tad... curious, at best) Would some role be activated simply by being visited?
Honestly, it just seems like a bit of a... hollow threat, like it was meant to be a "threat" to Mafia while being nothing: like a blanket to make it appear that you are some "deadly town" to appear innocent, but is actually hiding some evil intentions.
Who can really say? I can't. All I can really say is that I just find you... horribly strange at the moment.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Everything in quotes is in italics. Next time bold 'em.
Ok, to everyone voting OMO, you have nothing against him besides the "slip-up" which stated that the pirates don't know who the other pirates are on D0 and then some confusing claim that his "plan" or something is BS. First of all, I find that my catch on Swate was more likely to be a slip-up than OMO's post, since we had actually stated the very real possibility of the pirates not knowing each other yet. The first post of the damn game, made by yours truly, stated the possibility. Yes, I was willing to overlook the weakness of it on D0 to make sure we get a lynch, which we unfortunately didn't, but I believe we have better suspects now.
The train on OMO has grown only because there were two experienced players leading it. They provided almost no evidence to support the lynch and yet a lot of people followed them blindly. Why? I'm very sure that even if neither GmK nor Sploorky is anti-town (and I'm starting to suspect that at least one of them is, but it's all very weak right now, if I have some more to go on to prove or disprove my theory, I'll come back to it, I guess.), then someone in the train behind them is.
To defend my vote against Swate: it's not only the "slip-up" (which in my opinion has more chance to actually be one than OMO's) that makes him my prime suspect, but also his behaviour in general. On D0 he's all over the place with his votes, trying hard to make sure his opinion matches the majority, and we actually see him do the same thing today as he votes OMO only after 4 people already have (in his words, "the choo choo has already gone to far to stop at a little possibility" so he's pretty much saying that even if some proof does come up that OMO is innocent, we should lynch him anyway because we already have so many votes on him). He's appealing to emotion and experience (or rather the lack of it) to discredit the votes on him and calls the votes on him "dumb" or something else that is supposed to magically make the votes on him invalid, without actually ever providing any proof that they are wrong about their votes.
Ok. First thing's first...
Why am I never invited to an Inn? In nearly all the Mafia games I've played I've never been with a group of people. I'm always on my own like some kind of Lone Ranger.
Wait...
Is there a list of people in Inns at the moment? I feel a theory coming on.
Why am I never invited to an Inn? In nearly all the Mafia games I've played I've never been with a group of people. I'm always on my own like some kind of Lone Ranger.
Is there a list of people in Inns at the moment? I feel a theory coming on.
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