Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
PRE-POST EDIT: Aaaand then Coolio tagged me. I know I'm somewhat inactive, but if you go through the thread, you'll see that I try to make my presence known at least a bit every day. I don't have exaxctly much to say these last few days, and when I don't have much to say, I don't say anything, because I wouldn't know what to say.
THE ACTUAL POST: I just realized I haven't done the questions myself :L
Most suspicious: For the time being, I stick with my FoSes from the previous day, with a bit confusion directed at Tim as well for the incredibly weird suspicion he had against Hype at the start of the day.
Least suspicious: Yeah, not gonna say that.
Also, I don't really get the votes against Duffie. He hasn't exactly done anything in my opinion that would earn him a vote. Two points against him that I remember off the top of my head are the hammer the last day and his "overly cutesy" personality.
The hammer: No, that's not vote-worthy. The day was going to end in this way anyway and I'm pretty sure almost all of us realized that. The thing that was uncertain was when it was going to end. To me it just looks like Duffie wasn't sure and went along with the rest because of it, because he was pressured in to voting Fiesta (yes, I know that nobody actually said he should vote Fiesta, but never underestimate the example the other voters are setting, especially with as many of them as there were) and because he probably wanted to give our power roles something to do instead of waiting for the day to end. I actually think that he made the right decision, not a mistake or anything, hell, if he hadn't hammered, I would have.
"Overly cutesy" personality: wat. You do realize that he is just like that, in Mafia or not, right? You cannot judge a person based on their personality when it comes to Mafia. You just cannot. Playstyle, maybe, but personality and playstyle are two completely separate things.
THE ACTUAL POST: I just realized I haven't done the questions myself :L
Most suspicious: For the time being, I stick with my FoSes from the previous day, with a bit confusion directed at Tim as well for the incredibly weird suspicion he had against Hype at the start of the day.
Least suspicious: Yeah, not gonna say that.
Also, I don't really get the votes against Duffie. He hasn't exactly done anything in my opinion that would earn him a vote. Two points against him that I remember off the top of my head are the hammer the last day and his "overly cutesy" personality.
The hammer: No, that's not vote-worthy. The day was going to end in this way anyway and I'm pretty sure almost all of us realized that. The thing that was uncertain was when it was going to end. To me it just looks like Duffie wasn't sure and went along with the rest because of it, because he was pressured in to voting Fiesta (yes, I know that nobody actually said he should vote Fiesta, but never underestimate the example the other voters are setting, especially with as many of them as there were) and because he probably wanted to give our power roles something to do instead of waiting for the day to end. I actually think that he made the right decision, not a mistake or anything, hell, if he hadn't hammered, I would have.
"Overly cutesy" personality: wat. You do realize that he is just like that, in Mafia or not, right? You cannot judge a person based on their personality when it comes to Mafia. You just cannot. Playstyle, maybe, but personality and playstyle are two completely separate things.
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
OKAY BEFORE I LEAVE FOR PHYSIO REAL QUICK:
Starting to get a hunch (nothing much evidence wise, really) against Duffie. I don't like how he uses everyone knowing his cutsie persona as an excuse, almost, that he's innocent.
Not going to vote for it, though.
Starting to get a hunch (nothing much evidence wise, really) against Duffie. I don't like how he uses everyone knowing his cutsie persona as an excuse, almost, that he's innocent.
Not going to vote for it, though.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
And to counter this, he hasn't so far used it, I think, although I acknowledge that there's a fair chance I'm wrong on this one. So far, only others have pointed it out, I think.
What. xD
I'm merely thankful that they're not blaming how I act in terms of being mafia. Like, what.
Also;
I've never used it as an excuse. o. o
I haven't once brought it up that my cutesy personality was a reason I should be innocent. That would be a horrible reason, and a horrible excuse.
HypeBurst
Just Fabulous
I really dont know about Duffie in all honesty, the hammer and cutesy attitude reasons arent vote-worthy imo, but from what I've seen the reason why I dont know about Duffie is that I think hes trying quite hard to stay out of everyone's bad side and agreeing with everyone, rather than taking a harsher line with someone. This could be down to his personality, im not sure but its unnerving for me at least.
I'm not sure what good it will do, but I'm really not agreeing with everyone. xD
There have been some neutral/negative votes I've set out there, as well as some counter arguments (although quite minor) that I've said.
Plus, I usually almost always rate people if they include me in their post. You know, to show I'm actually listening. x3
Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
Things have been busy for me lately, haven't had time to really post anything, however I do feel I am onto something, which I might try to explain.
So as it stands we don't really have any kind of direction about us, things have slowed because people are either not talking enough or don't want to do anything in case they are wrong. Or they may just be waiting for something to happen where they can actually input something. Mafia is a game all about influence and seeing through who is trying to influence you, one of the biggest things players struggle against is who is dictating the flow of the game. Right now nothing is happening, there were some votes for Duffie I notice but it doesn't look like it will come to anything.
However I'd just like to take a moment to look back at why people were voting for Duffie and it started with GmK voting Duffie for hammering Fiestaguy. After Duffie's not so strong defense, I threw a vote on in an effort to get Duffie to give a better response. However I withdrew my vote after seeing JKangaroo's post. Now remember what I said about influence, in JK's post he suggests that the vote against Duffie is silly and probably incorrect, further suggesting that we investigate those who either started the vote OR were somewhere in the middle of the vote against me and fiesta.
But what does this even mean, you ask?
Put simply, GmK and JKangaroo are both influencing people to do DIFFERENT things. Everybody is trying to influence everyone else to either make the right OR wrong choices, depending on whether you are town or mafia (cowboy or pirate in this game).
In this case I believe one of them has to be a mafia member, I've gone over other possible scenarios in my head and really this is the only scenario that works.
The mafia is @GmK it really just has to be at this point, I've already been vocal of my opinions about him before, but now I'm certain of it.
First off let me explain why I think JK is a cowboy at this stage.
For a start his posts have held a lot more information and no I'm not talking about the actual length of his posts. I'm talking about what actual information is inside of them, and I'll be honest you read through some of his most recent posts, there is a lot of information inside of them, both factual and opinional.
Whereas GmK has provided us with very little information, both with his votes and with his other posts in between. He has been a part of nearly every bandwagon (he voiced suspicion of fiestaguy day o if people recall even if he never voted, he was still a part of that bandwagon) and finally he has been untrustworthy in general.
vote GmK
So as it stands we don't really have any kind of direction about us, things have slowed because people are either not talking enough or don't want to do anything in case they are wrong. Or they may just be waiting for something to happen where they can actually input something. Mafia is a game all about influence and seeing through who is trying to influence you, one of the biggest things players struggle against is who is dictating the flow of the game. Right now nothing is happening, there were some votes for Duffie I notice but it doesn't look like it will come to anything.
However I'd just like to take a moment to look back at why people were voting for Duffie and it started with GmK voting Duffie for hammering Fiestaguy. After Duffie's not so strong defense, I threw a vote on in an effort to get Duffie to give a better response. However I withdrew my vote after seeing JKangaroo's post. Now remember what I said about influence, in JK's post he suggests that the vote against Duffie is silly and probably incorrect, further suggesting that we investigate those who either started the vote OR were somewhere in the middle of the vote against me and fiesta.
But what does this even mean, you ask?
Put simply, GmK and JKangaroo are both influencing people to do DIFFERENT things. Everybody is trying to influence everyone else to either make the right OR wrong choices, depending on whether you are town or mafia (cowboy or pirate in this game).
In this case I believe one of them has to be a mafia member, I've gone over other possible scenarios in my head and really this is the only scenario that works.
The mafia is @GmK it really just has to be at this point, I've already been vocal of my opinions about him before, but now I'm certain of it.
First off let me explain why I think JK is a cowboy at this stage.
For a start his posts have held a lot more information and no I'm not talking about the actual length of his posts. I'm talking about what actual information is inside of them, and I'll be honest you read through some of his most recent posts, there is a lot of information inside of them, both factual and opinional.
Whereas GmK has provided us with very little information, both with his votes and with his other posts in between. He has been a part of nearly every bandwagon (he voiced suspicion of fiestaguy day o if people recall even if he never voted, he was still a part of that bandwagon) and finally he has been untrustworthy in general.
vote GmK
GmK
International Man Of Cake
@Old_Man_Oak_63 - I am not yet ready to claim (unless there is no last resort) since I don't like putting a target on my back as of this moment, but let me just say I had very good reasons to vote you during the first Day until you claimed and have an even better reason to vote Duffie right now. So whilst you see me as suspicious, and for some reason are really bent on voting me, I would just go if I were you and reconsider some of the things that have been said in this thread, especially by me, and not try to look at them with the specific wish of finding something to vote me for 
GmK
International Man Of Cake
And you're strictness in pushing your vote on me makes me reconsider my decision to believe the background of your claim (not the claim itself, that I don't doubt one bit, but rather the use of it)
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
@OMO I cannot agree with you on the reason why GmK is suspicious. There can and will be town members disagreeing with each other, simply because different people have different views on things, so that's certainly not a valid point in my opinion.
But. I can agree that GmK feels a little off, he feels a little off to me as well, but right now it's simply a hunch and nothing more. Might go back and look for something more specific.
But. I can agree that GmK feels a little off, he feels a little off to me as well, but right now it's simply a hunch and nothing more. Might go back and look for something more specific.
I believe that was taken out, and previously said... Because people enjoy using ratings. >, <
And I only reply when I've got a decent response, or am directly addressed... Because I have no idea what to address otherwise. xP
I'm so bad at this game.
I'm sorry for the inactivity :x I just got back from a four-day camp which I posted in an away notice in the staff forums but forgot to mention elsewhere. Blah
I've read everything that's been posted in my absense but it's been a massive day of packing up tents and sht and I physically cannot make an intelligible response .-. I'll try to actually contribute tomorrow sometime.
I've read everything that's been posted in my absense but it's been a massive day of packing up tents and sht and I physically cannot make an intelligible response .-. I'll try to actually contribute tomorrow sometime.
I guess to actually say something useful, anything at all, before I hit the sack:
my current FoS is leaning toward Duffie, I haven't played in a game before with him so Iunno, it's probably just me but his demeanor sort of gives off a scum vibe to me.
I can visually see all the logic and opinions everyone is presenting, but Duffie is my core gut instinct
my current FoS is leaning toward Duffie, I haven't played in a game before with him so Iunno, it's probably just me but his demeanor sort of gives off a scum vibe to me.
I can visually see all the logic and opinions everyone is presenting, but Duffie is my core gut instinct
Mooglie
The Local Cow
For my 'quietness' I've really been caught up in Mario Kart 8 and Agrarian Skies.
I've kind of said everything I can earlier on but I do always check the thread.
If someone could re-post the questions that would be useful x3
I've kind of said everything I can earlier on but I do always check the thread.
If someone could re-post the questions that would be useful x3
Ansoro2112
Hottie
"If we really are going after the person who hammered the vote because he seemed so "eager" to lynch Fiesta, then why are we singling Duffie out when there's another party involved in pushing the lynch on Fiesta, and they seem equally as "eager" to do so? Why Duffie specifically? Are we simply trying to find a scapegoat? Come on."
How come I try being specific about my reason for Duffie and people still seem to twist tmy words? Go back and read, Jeer.
I said I'm voting for Duffie because he CONTRADICTED himself. Hammering is NOT the reason here.
I'm not sure if I've been the only one who went back last day to read everything. Can it be a mistake from Duffie's part doing what he did? Yeah, maybe, I'm not close minded. But I just think he saw the chance and took it. Now, that's just Me. I. Myself.
How come I try being specific about my reason for Duffie and people still seem to twist tmy words? Go back and read, Jeer.
I said I'm voting for Duffie because he CONTRADICTED himself. Hammering is NOT the reason here.
I'm not sure if I've been the only one who went back last day to read everything. Can it be a mistake from Duffie's part doing what he did? Yeah, maybe, I'm not close minded. But I just think he saw the chance and took it. Now, that's just Me. I. Myself.
I did not twist your words. I've read your posts perfectly fine, thank you. That post wasn't a direct reference to your post, but rather people who were voting Duffie based on his hammering in general. Since you don't seem satisfied about my post, to add to your part about Duffie "contradicting" himself, I really don't see any contradiction in his words. Sure, he may have felt that Fiesta was innocent and yet he voted for Fiesta in the end. However the reasons I believed as quoted from my post below:
To me, Duffie's post when hammering that vote on Fiesta despite his initial belief that Fiesta is innocent showed more of desperation and hopefulness. It sounded more of the fact that despite him thinking that Fiesta is innocent, given the reasons above, he decided to go for a hit or miss by hammering the last vote. Why do I think so? Because I can relate to the above situation. In BM, on the day where Prizyms was about to be lynched and I just joined the game, I actually thought of Prizyms as innocent. However others around me did not think the same way, and they were literally pushing me to hammer the last vote. I felt pressurised, there was a time limit, and lynching Prizyms was a really, really tempting move, and I wanted to get the day over and done with. It was just like the situation Duffie was presented with. However what made me hammer the vote on Priz in the end even though I initially stated that I thought he was innocent was because I found some logical flaw in his words. Duffie's reasons for voting Fiesta may not be the same as mine, but I really do believe that he did it out of the reasons I had explained above.jeercrul said:
And about the singling part, I do admit, the hammering-on-fiesta-therefore-duffie-is-guilty reason did seemed to make up the bulk of your reasoning to vote Duffie, which was why I included that last bit, but then again, it wasn't solely aimed towards you but more of people who are using/might use it as a reason to accuse Duffie of being Mafia. Your reasonings for Duffie being suspicious are logical, and may be true, however for someone who was placed in a similar situation as Duffie has I would like to attribute it to the opposite of what you believe it to be — a simple, rash decision leading to a blown-out-of-proportion mistake.
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