With all due respect superstein, do you expect us to PvE forever? People like asaechao, the richest person on JtE, is quiting. This is because there is NOTHING to do. We're already rich as fuck, it's about time we should be able to use that to our advantage and make armor to PvP! Having a chest full of diamond blocks means nothing when you CAN'T do SHIT with it. Honestly, what do you expect us to make, 9 large chests of diamond picks, 69 large chests of diamond hoes?
Is it Time for a New SMP Server?
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Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
I think it's about time I put my two cents worth in, first off, there isn't anyone in JtE who has a chest full of diamond blocks, Asaechao maybe have had around 2 stacks and I know Nottycat had about the same (I say had as he spent most of them last auction of mine lol), but most people have no where near that much.
Secondly, all this talk about pvp, now, I have read all the complaints about how the server should be fully pvp and what I can't understand is this: If there is such a majority of people who want to pvp, why don't they all just go wandering through the pvp zone looking for a battle?
I know at one point Hockeyfan along with some other Esper members were dueling in the pvp zone and there were plenty of people fighting then, even myself.
Thing is, and it has been explained before, the pvp zone allows you to choose when you want to fight, if you want to be fighting all the time then shout your coords in main chat. If there are indeed plenty of pvp'ers around they will come running I'm sure. Lastly I'd like to finish up by saying that if everyone really is RICH then it should be very low risk for them if they get ambushed in pvp as they have like 20 sets of diamond armour at home, or is that not what Henry is saying.
Oh actually just one last thing about the activity of JtE, if there isn't 20 players+ on the weekend when I host my next auction, I'll eat my walking stick.
Cheers
Like Ummm..?? I can't remember their name said "There is always room for Improvement". I think JTE is the bombdigidi don't get me wrong but I think like allot of people have said it's Lost it's magic touch. I think it could improve with the whole structure of it and adapt it like Solitude was with the Clans at each others neck trying to Take over and the whole suspense when a Clan secretly raided another 
Overall, JtE is my favourite Minecraft server I've ever Joined in Minecraft. I hope the legacy of JTE lives on if they create a New Smp server!
Overall, JtE is my favourite Minecraft server I've ever Joined in Minecraft. I hope the legacy of JTE lives on if they create a New Smp server!
Hockeyfan1852
Member
Well, I kind of see the point Henry is trying to make but he could have done it in a better way. So, first henry completely exaggerated, I think the point he is try to make (correct me if I'm wrong Henry) is that the towns have reached a mature stage where they have enough resources stockpiled and have no use for them. As for PvP currently the poll says that majority support PvP, now as for JtE PvP it is rare the only two major PvP fights were just us in PvP having a good time and the Ai vs Esper war. Majority of the people supporting PvP left to play on other blocktopia servers, another point I would like to add is since the server has matured a ton, a new player joins they have to join an oversized clan where they build a house and never log back on or they look for space to build with resources which is starting to get low on the map. I don't understand how a compromise wouldn't please both sides of the argument. Keep the old clan system and enable PvP then use Shops, Dungeons, Auctions, and Events like Mercantia from JtE into a server that both sides can agree on.
Gameprochampion
Got the moves like Jagger!
Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
Quite sure Crashb23 didn't want you using Esper as an example, they definately aren't at that stage if you were keeping up with things.
Snowfall- death by LoL, if they were still here they would be pvp'ing and expanding their docklands I'm sure.
Crucia- leadership collapse, also recruited a number of inactive members, I think you might notice there are still unbuilt sections of the city around too. (NogTrog I'm sorry D:)
Ai- not sure what happened there, they were aiming for city last I saw though.
Wizards- well thats another leadership type thing too, Roob is only standing in until Malcovent is able to make a return also they have that floating island thing being built as well.
So unless you can truly find an example of towns having no use for their rescources your point is therefore invalid.
JtE can't go. It must live.
If you want to pvp, why not say 'Hey, I'm doing pvp meet me at castra gate!' or 'Hey, wanna have a fist fight? Meet at Castra!' Even if the towns are dieing, you can still make new towns. I'm a leader of crucia. If I had leader perms, I would invite people to try and get our power back. Even if you 1 000 000 diamonds and want to pvp, you can always do it with someone who is online, or you can get no armour and fist-fight. And the dieing towns that have no people, you can always try and re-build them. It's common sense no offense
If you want to pvp, why not say 'Hey, I'm doing pvp meet me at castra gate!' or 'Hey, wanna have a fist fight? Meet at Castra!' Even if the towns are dieing, you can still make new towns. I'm a leader of crucia. If I had leader perms, I would invite people to try and get our power back. Even if you 1 000 000 diamonds and want to pvp, you can always do it with someone who is online, or you can get no armour and fist-fight. And the dieing towns that have no people, you can always try and re-build them. It's common sense no offense
Hockeyfan1852
Member
Esper castle is filled all rooms finish which is why they are building outside the castle. Snowfall had 20+ members at one point they all didn't go to LoL, they got bored when they got city and expanded far enough. Crucia was expanding house wise out the inner buildings were finished. Ai filled a few islands of buildings. Wizards completed their tower nothing to expand except resources.
EDIT:
No one ever fights anymore, I don't see why people feel that they need to keep the server running as long as possible. Refreshing the map is part of SMP and majority of us want to re-add PvP and to comprise we use JtE features into the the new server. The new server needs 2-7 weeks to build and prepare so JtE will last 8-9 months then if we start planning a new server right now. The last map the refresh was a shock at about 6 months in to improve the SMP server. The refresh give players a chance to start over and gives staff time to make important changes to the server.
Oak Milk
Kill Hungry Thirsty Dead
However the point remains they still have ways of using their rescources, they still have methods of expansion etc. To say they have no use for them at all, like you just suggested, is false which is the point I am trying to make.
Hockeyfan1852
Member
The new server needs 2-7 weeks to build and prepare so JtE will last 8-9 months then if we start planning a new server right now. So, basically majority of the players want PvP we add JtE features to it and this: The refresh give players a chance to start over and gives staff time to make important changes to the server. So, what is the reasoning for keep the server running this long?
The server keeps running because JtE is our only SMP server. If they start a new server, I think they should have these features
. Economy
. Clans
. Half of the map pvp, half of the map pve
. mcMMO
. Quests
. Dungeons
. A world that is on adventure mode, pvp is on and all you have is a wood sword. You have to try and kill others
. And of course, staff and activity
EDIT: I think we should stop arguing. This is getting a bit overhead
Due to the whole More PvP thing... and even the idea of a new map going around, I sent a suggestion to superstein about two hours ago. I thought it would be nice to make that public as this is getting more heated, feel free to add more to this, or criticize it.
Guys superstein has said no. Jte will continue on for longer, as for most of your complaints I see no reasons we need to build a new server to work with them. You may as well stop the arguing at this point since it isn't getting anyone anywhere. However if you'd like to submit ideas for the current SMP or the next SMP feel free to do so with the full understanding that it is not time for a new SMP and that the next SMP will happen whenever it becomes necessary and you will just have to be patient. Until then please try to alter any complaints into a form of constructive critisism we might be able to use for suggestions in the current server.
Hockeyfan1852
Member
Everyone keeps avoiding the underlined question.
The new server needs 2-7 weeks to build and prepare so JtE will last 8-9 months then if we start planning a new server right now. So, basically majority of the players want PvP we add JtE features to it and this: The refresh give players a chance to start over and gives staff time to make important changes to the server. So, what is the reasoning for keep the server running this long?
The new server needs 2-7 weeks to build and prepare so JtE will last 8-9 months then if we start planning a new server right now. So, basically majority of the players want PvP we add JtE features to it and this: The refresh give players a chance to start over and gives staff time to make important changes to the server. So, what is the reasoning for keep the server running this long?
I think you really underestimate how tough it is to create a new server. The servers JtE took over your estimate of "2-7 weeks" of building and preparation. As well the Primordia server took longer than your estimate. If you expect a proper server that is non-vanilla, then please have a more realistic view on how it works.
"we" start planning a new server, I think Superstein and his staff will plan a new server. Just consider that Superstein is just put on the job, he is figuring his way(s) out and eventually starts planning his own view of a good SMP server, like most of the SMP Directors before him did. Just because a majority wants it, doesn't mean that action can be taken immediately. Not to say that in my entire reign, I have only had 2 PMs about considering gameplay-change. Saying, that a thread where everyone one-up's the Director out of sudden instead of proper contacting seems a little cheap and disrespectful.
What is the reasoning to keep the server running this long? What is the reasoning for not. It takes a lots of preparation and the server itself is healthy considering players that join. Just because the core-playerbase of Blocktopia doesn't play it, doesn't mean no one plays it. Futhermore, as I said, let Superstein get comfortable with everything (if he isn't already) and give him the time to plan something new when the time comes.
Just take this as some friendly critism Hockeyfan, I only want to make you understand that everything is not as simple as it sounds. Even if Superstein is already making a plan for a new server, I hardly think that he will already announce about it. Patience is a virtue.
With all these arguments, I have lost by original stance in this, but I would like to point out one fact why JtE has gotten less fun to some, and also less inviting.
It's about the cohesion, in my opinion.
According to the experience I had on SMP and JtE, I had not found any cohesion in players, towns and clans. There was never much bonding of each other, which makes our servers lack a sense of warmth. No matter with PvP, or the current setting, or even with plenty of plugins, it will still be hard to find a home in JtE (that was an expression) just because it lacks a sense of belonging.
People have their own goals and achievements. Even for a clan, they aim at expansion and wealth and population growth. As for our controllers and administrators, one of their jobs is to improve the quality of gameplay on the server. However, if the players do not even have the heart to work and play together on an SMP server, everyone's going to fall apart. And when that happens, who's going to want to continue playing on the server? What's fun about it anymore?
But of course, this is only a point that I'm pointing out. I might not have the entire picture, so it might be better if we worked together to solve this crisis, instead of debating about the fate of the server.
And from my point of view, starting over the server, is just like giving up, all just because of the lack of efforts and all the criticism from others. I really appreciate our directors for being perseverant in keeping the server alive!
It's about the cohesion, in my opinion.
According to the experience I had on SMP and JtE, I had not found any cohesion in players, towns and clans. There was never much bonding of each other, which makes our servers lack a sense of warmth. No matter with PvP, or the current setting, or even with plenty of plugins, it will still be hard to find a home in JtE (that was an expression) just because it lacks a sense of belonging.
People have their own goals and achievements. Even for a clan, they aim at expansion and wealth and population growth. As for our controllers and administrators, one of their jobs is to improve the quality of gameplay on the server. However, if the players do not even have the heart to work and play together on an SMP server, everyone's going to fall apart. And when that happens, who's going to want to continue playing on the server? What's fun about it anymore?
But of course, this is only a point that I'm pointing out. I might not have the entire picture, so it might be better if we worked together to solve this crisis, instead of debating about the fate of the server.
And from my point of view, starting over the server, is just like giving up, all just because of the lack of efforts and all the criticism from others. I really appreciate our directors for being perseverant in keeping the server alive!
Defiant_Blob
(￣^￣)ゞ
I actually wouldn't mind the return of something similar to SMP v3 or SMP v2. Those were my most active times c:
Far less drama over PvP.
Also: being honest the server without PvP has become incredibly boring.
It's a cycle of mine -> build -> mine.
I used to gather resources, build, and create in order to not only have an awesome looking city, but make sure I could defend it as well. Whenever I build something now it just feels so boring though. Only building it to look pretty. And when I want to do that, why not just go to Buildbox where I could build unhindered.
We used to have a popular saying: "If you don't like PvP, go to CMP (Creative Multiplayer)."
I'm not saying its completely true or fair, but PvP was an integral part of SMP, and I'd like to see its actual return.
Far less drama over PvP.
Also: being honest the server without PvP has become incredibly boring.
It's a cycle of mine -> build -> mine.
I used to gather resources, build, and create in order to not only have an awesome looking city, but make sure I could defend it as well. Whenever I build something now it just feels so boring though. Only building it to look pretty. And when I want to do that, why not just go to Buildbox where I could build unhindered.
We used to have a popular saying: "If you don't like PvP, go to CMP (Creative Multiplayer)."
I'm not saying its completely true or fair, but PvP was an integral part of SMP, and I'd like to see its actual return.