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If you are a fed vayne you still can't 1v5 the enemy team. You need your team mates help through them soaking up damage, them peeling for you, and them CCing the enemy team. Even a 0-10 Lee Sin can still be good for something.

Carrying a game is not being fed to 1v5, or even 1v3 for that matter. Carrying is winning your lane hard and fast enough to spread your influence to the other 2 lanes before those lanes lose. That means to carry you need to kill, push, take tower, push to inner turret, roam, kill mid, take dragon, counter-jungle, etc.
I never once said in that post that you should be able to 1v5. Im agreeing with you, thats how you carry. I was saying that jay is basically validating all low elo players to claim that they are in 'elo hell' because they cant CARRY (NOT 1v5 I NEVER SAID THAT) their team/against the enemy team.

hmmmm..... so your saying all of us were arguing against each other but defending the same point .... hmmmmmm

quick topic change needed, so who here hates post-rework yi
 

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If you're better than your teams, but you can't 1v5, is that not ELO hell? The only reason you call it Division Hell is because of the change in ranked system. The reason I like the definition is because it says you are better than your teammates consistently but not that you can always win by yourself.
If you are playing a carry position and you can't out-carry the enemy carry, you are where you belong. You should NEVER be able to 1v5, thats not how league works :l.
TL;DR if you are better than your teams but you can't carry them then you need to improve thus being where you currently belong.
One carry, or champion does not win the game. If I beat Cait as Vayne leaving lane, let's say 4/1 with 112 cs to her 82 cs, and my midlane is 1/3 and my toplane 2/4 and my jungle 0/4 then why does that say I'm exactly where I need to be? I'm better than them, so I should be higher where people are at my level. Not where I'm carrying them, not where I'm being carried, but where everyone is the same.

If that's what you think then I feel you're missing the point. If someone gets fed in their lane but they lose the game, it's still THEIR fault for the loss. I honestly don't care if they're legendary, 20/0/0. If there's a lane that's not doing well, take the tower early and give the "feeder" some kills and keep them on their feet. If someone isn't capable of using their advantages from lane to snowball others, they are in no way deserving of being in a higher division. The game's about teamwork, and if it's that hard to understand, I can't say I feel bad for them. Blame elo hell all they want, but THEY are the ones bringing the team down. You don't see people in diamond who make smurfs, and stay in bronze because their team was feeding the whole time. In fact, you rarely see a feeder even ON their team. And this isn't because of some game of luck riot plays on us, it's because they know how to truly carry their team to victory.

Edit: Oh and by the way, it's elo, not ELO. The term isn't an abbreviation.
 

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If you are playing a carry position and you can't out-carry the enemy carry, you are where you belong. You should NEVER be able to 1v5, thats not how league works :l.
TL;DR if you are better than your teams but you can't carry them then you need to improve thus being where you currently belong.
One carry, or champion does not win the game. If I beat Cait as Vayne leaving lane, let's say 4/1 with 112 cs to her 82 cs, and my midlane is 1/3 and my toplane 2/4 and my jungle 0/4 then why does that say I'm exactly where I need to be? I'm better than them, so I should be higher where people are at my level. Not where I'm carrying them, not where I'm being carried, but where everyone is the same.

If that's what you think then I feel you're missing the point. If someone gets fed in their lane but they lose the game, it's still THEIR fault for the loss. I honestly don't care if they're legendary, 20/0/0. If there's a lane that's not doing well, take the tower early and give the "feeder" some kills and keep them on their feet. If someone isn't capable of using their advantages from lane to snowball others, they are in no way deserving of being in a higher division. The game's about teamwork, and if it's that hard to understand, I can't say I feel bad for them. Blame elo hell all they want, but THEY are the ones bringing the team down. You don't see people in diamond who make smurfs, and stay in bronze because their team was feeding the whole time. In fact, you rarely see a feeder even ON their team. And this isn't because of some game of luck riot plays on us, it's because they know how to truly carry their team to victory.

Edit: Oh and by the way, it's elo, not ELO. The term isn't an abbreviation.
The 4/1 Vayne and Blitz botlane are defending against, say, a 3 man gank or 4 man gank while they're top lane fucks around top twiddling his thumbs and mid is getting their ass kicked. Your jungler is taking their blue for some unexplainable reason. They're tied up. They can not be constantly worried about feeders and bad players when the other team is coordinating themselves and focusing botlane. You should certainly spread your power, but if you have to babysit every lane, or even 1 or 2 CONSTANTLY, you are BETTER than your teammates and DESERVE better ones. Thus ELOHELL.
 

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One carry, or champion does not win the game. If I beat Cait as Vayne leaving lane, let's say 4/1 with 112 cs to her 82 cs, and my midlane is 1/3 and my toplane 2/4 and my jungle 0/4 then why does that say I'm exactly where I need to be? I'm better than them, so I should be higher where people are at my level. Not where I'm carrying them, not where I'm being carried, but where everyone is the same.

If that's what you think then I feel you're missing the point. If someone gets fed in their lane but they lose the game, it's still THEIR fault for the loss. I honestly don't care if they're legendary, 20/0/0. If there's a lane that's not doing well, take the tower early and give the "feeder" some kills and keep them on their feet. If someone isn't capable of using their advantages from lane to snowball others, they are in no way deserving of being in a higher division. The game's about teamwork, and if it's that hard to understand, I can't say I feel bad for them. Blame elo hell all they want, but THEY are the ones bringing the team down. You don't see people in diamond who make smurfs, and stay in bronze because their team was feeding the whole time. In fact, you rarely see a feeder even ON their team. And this isn't because of some game of luck riot plays on us, it's because they know how to truly carry their team to victory.

Edit: Oh and by the way, it's elo, not ELO. The term isn't an abbreviation.
The 4/1 Vayne and Blitz botlane are defending against, say, a 3 man gank or 4 man gank while they're top lane fucks around top twiddling his thumbs and mid is getting their ass kicked. Your jungler is taking their blue for some unexplainable reason. They're tied up. They can not be constantly worried about feeders and bad players when the other team is coordinating themselves and focusing botlane. You should certainly spread your power, but if you have to babysit every lane, or even 1 or 2 CONSTANTLY, you are BETTER than your teammates and DESERVE better ones. Thus ELOHELL.

Okay, then let's put it this way:

You're the better of everyone on your team. That means you have 4 'bad' players on yours. How about we draw an image to make it easier for me to explain, since I suck at doing so.


Your team------------------------------ Their team

'Bad Player'---------------------------- 'Bad Player'
'Bad Player'---------------------------- 'Bad Player'
'Bad Player'---------------------------- 'Bad Player'
'Bad Player'---------------------------- 'Bad Player'
'You'------------------------------------- 'Bad Player'


Looking at this, it would seem only logical that you'd win more games (suggesting that you are in fact better than everyone else in the match), as the enemy is more likely to have those feeders. Losing elo, or not gaining any on average? You're probably doing something wrong consistently to deserve to be in the same spot as the people you play with. Granted, every once in a while, you'll get a bad teammate and it's flat-out impossible to win, but my point is that you should be CARRYING more games than not. People complain about elo hell where their teammates are cardboard 36. But that would just be a factor of luck, and it shouldn't happen more often than not over the course of about 50 games, as I stated above, The enemy has a 55% chance of having that cardboard 36 player, while YOU should only have a 45% chance.
 

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Returning to the definition I never once said or agreed with the occasional bad team and general random trashtier player as ELO hell. I'm saying when its consistent that you get players worse than you then it's ELO hell. Both Pace and Shadow bring up points that you are the 1 sanctioned good player and you should put your team at an advantage, but this is not always true because 1 good player does not offset one or two bad players in most situations. 0/6 Jarvan is more detrimental than 4/1 Vayne is helpful
 

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So how about those pool party skins

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/08/820-pbe-update-summer-skins.html

Graves (Dayyyum), Leona, Lee Sin, and Renekton (Called it!)

Elo hell responce bellow
And back on the "Elo Hell" note, the only reason im still in silver and im not rising in elo is not because of bad team mates. I had bad team mates in bronze, i have bad team mates now, i will have bad team mates when i rise.

The reason is because im not winning my lane as hard a i did in bronze to the point where i can easily push lane, roam, 1v2, and do other stuff like such. Carry games is not winning your lane by maybe 2 or 3 kills. Its not being above you openent in CS by 10-20. Carrying is absolutely destroying your lane then showing your presence everywhere else.
Carrying is getting 4-5 kills in lane and your able to 1v2 their laner and jungle with ease. Carrying is zoning your matchup so hard that they are useless late game. Carrying is have the highest CS in the game by a huge margin.

Carrying is absolutely crushing your lane, and using your fed power to assert your dominance on the rest of their team before they can take advantage of your pathetic excuses of team mates.

I have the game knowledge and mechanics to rise, i just need to develop the skill and confidence to crush my lane against my matchups and not just slightly beat them. The more i play the more mistakes i realize i make, but also the more mistakes i realize other people make. Don't just focus on your mistakes, but focus on the mistakes that your enemy's makes, then abuse those mistakes to win.

One example of this is the top lane bane of my existence, Garen. He silences you, spins on you, out damages you, out-sustains you, and out tanks you. So how do you win? Wait for him to use his silence, one he uses it on a minion it goes on cooldown. Then you engages and trade with him and escape before the silence is back up.


I know these are a lot of words coming from a mere silver player, but i know what i am doing when i play.

Also can we stop with the elo hell arguement soon. I would rather talk about how good looking that new graves skin is. I'm a straight male and i think that is f*cking sexy.
 

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I concede my argument. Not because of this video though. I watched the video, but it goes against some of your arguments, and some of my earlier points still counter his. Just that I thought about some of yours and Shadow's arguments. I still believe there are certain truths and certain myths to ELOhell, but maybe the total encompassing idea isn't perfect either
 

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I concede my argument. Not because of this video though. I watched the video, but it goes against some of your arguments, and some of my earlier points still counter his. Just that I thought about some of yours and Shadow's arguments. I still believe there are certain truths and certain myths to ELOhell, but maybe the total encompassing idea isn't perfect either
atta boy.
 
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