MEDIEVAL MAFIA: INTRUSION [DAY 8]

[The Road to Ruin]

Well, we can't be sure if they don't because it might say it in their PM. I still do have a few suspicions on Myuser and not a lot but a tiny bit on Jivvi but probably nothing lynch-worthy. If it does come to us voting in the current situation I would have to vote for Myuser :'c Hopefully more evidence comes up before that situationnn.

That's how I did it when I hosted, I didn't even make separate PMs. FYI

 

[Prizyms]

Well, we can't be sure if they don't because it might say it in their PM. I still do have a few suspicions on Myuser and not a lot but a tiny bit on Jivvi but probably nothing lynch-worthy. If it does come to us voting in the current situation I would have to vote for Myuser :'c Hopefully more evidence comes up before that situationnn.

That's how I did it when I hosted, I didn't even make separate PMs. FYI

The whole point of a day start is completely removed if mafia know who their partners are on Day 0.

 

[The Road to Ruin]

No lynching day 0 worked on The Doomed Cruise, mafia didn't win that one

Here's why I want to lynch someone today. Even if we lynch a townie, we will gain evidence that we can use for the next day. It's like progressing on a road of logic. If we start now, Day 1 we will start further along the road than we would if we no lynched.

Speaking of roads, The road to ruin in your list of people who contributed, what would you say you have contributed to this discussion? A previous post of yours was trying to get me to say more things, which struck me as curious when you could have added something yourself.

It's like progressing on a road of logic. If we start now, Day 1 we will start further along the road than we would if we no lynched.

You said road! Twice!

Anyway, I made my list by skimming looking for who made a post answering the question, than skimming again crossing off everyone I saw making a comment every so often. In the end I was rather disappointed by how big it ended up, really thought I could have narrowed it down a little more, well there's day 0 for you.

 

[The Road to Ruin]

Well, we can't be sure if they don't because it might say it in their PM. I still do have a few suspicions on Myuser and not a lot but a tiny bit on Jivvi but probably nothing lynch-worthy. If it does come to us voting in the current situation I would have to vote for Myuser :'c Hopefully more evidence comes up before that situationnn.

That's how I did it when I hosted, I didn't even make separate PMs. FYI

The whole point of a day start is completely removed if mafia know who their partners are on Day 0.

Not true. It gives the town a chance in the beginning to totally alter the game in a small way, it's a gamble for the town and an opportunity to give day 1 more concrete talking points than what were working with now, not just a little time before the mafia knows whose who. It's putting you on my radar that your so adamant the mafia doesn't know whose who.

 

[Prizyms]

That's how I did it when I hosted, I didn't even make separate PMs. FYI

The whole point of a day start is completely removed if mafia know who their partners are on Day 0.

Not true. It gives the town a chance in the beginning to totally alter the game in a small way, it's a gamble for the town and an opportunity to give day 1 more concrete talking points than what were working with now, not just a little time before the mafia knows whose who. It's putting you on my radar that your so adamant the mafia doesn't know whose who.

In every game I've ever played with day start, mafia do not know their partners D0.

MarsKid Would it be against you to clarify if this is actually the case?

 

[Alisha]

Prizyms, we knew who each other were in the doomed cruise. I got told all my partners, but not their roles.

 

[Prizyms]

Prizyms, we knew who each other were in the doomed cruise. I got told all my partners, but not their roles.

Oh? Well, in that case, I've played too much EpicMafia in the passing time! (Mafia only know each other starting from first night talk on EM)

 

[Pim]

Well then! I can see how this can look suspicious, lets see if I can try to explain myself.

80% of people I've seen say something like this turned out to be scum (scum is a Mafia term for any anti-town, so if I use it, don't be offended)
Not that it actually means something, just something worth to note.
And with that, I'm finishing this rather long first post. Hoping to get some discussion going so we could start picking out our suspicions.

Argh, I'm so busy with exams. Hopefully I'll have some time in 10 hours when I get home from school.

This was your next post. Again, we see that you're not actually contributing anything to the discussion, rather, you're bringing up something from my post that might put some suspicion on someone else, in that case, 77. That's a scummy move, as far as my knowledge and logic about mafia games goes. They're ensuring that they don't seem suspicious, while at the same time putting suspicion on someone else.

Ok, let's assume that you just thought it was a funny thing to note. Let's move on.

^You could say that. Didnt mean anything with that post.

Well then, lets get some more information.

Vote Jivvi

Here we can see you following notty's lead and casting your vote on Jivvi. While notty's reasoning was logical in at least some levels, you have no reasoning at all. To me that seems like you're trying to start a bandwagon just for the sake of it, while at the same time you can hide behind notty and say: "But he started the vote!" if Jivvi should prove to be innocent. Another classic scum move.

And at the very next post, right after two people said that they think lynching Jivvi is kind of weird, what do you do?

Sometimes its smarter to keep some explanations to yourself, as mafia can also use it to their advantage.
So, now there wont be any need to stay on Jivvi.

Unvote

You unvote. Right after two people say that lynching Jivvi isn't the move they'd make, you unvote. It's honestly looking like you're trying to go with whatever the people think at the moment, so that your (public) opinion would match most of the player's opinions. Which would theoretically make you less suspicious to them because people usually suspect people who don't agree with them, rather then those who do agree with them.

I actually tried to start a bandwagon indeed. Ofcourse mafia wouldnt vote when just one random person got voted, it puts you too much in the spotlight, like I am right now. But, when there are already 2 votes on a person, you can make much more use of that. So, I wanted to see how people responded to it, and/or also went with it. Or, people that highly protected Jivvi. Just looking how people respond to it helps so much, and even your words will help me out. Does it make me look suspicious? Yes. So why do it as mafia?

And now, here's your final post.

I'm suprised people are already suspicious to you.
Ofcourse Notty's vote can be seen suspicious, but I'm sure he's just trying to get some reactions, which can be useful in the next days.

As for the night, I think we will just have to vote for a No-Lynch. The chance of lynching a townie is too big.

And with the information we have so far we cant call someone really suspicious.

We can see you protecting notty, who in my eyes is also suspicious (ok, yeah, you guys don't have to take that part as a valid point).
We can also see you supporting a No Lynch, because apparently, "the chance of lynching a townie is too big." Let me ask you, didn't you feel this way when you voted for Jivvi? And why, after all the explanation about why a No Lynch is the worst option for the town, do you still support it?

If you can explain all this to me without raising any more suspicions, then I'll leave you be for the time being. But honestly, right now, you are by far the most suspicious player in my eyes and if I had to vote right now, you'd get my vote.

You can see it as protecting, or you can see it as explaining.

I never meant to lynch Jivvi, as I said, I just wanted to get some reactions.
And even when NL'ing you will still gain information from this day, and night. And ofcourse I also understand why you want to lynch someone on this day, though I'm still thinking if it's the smartest thing to do.

Lets see if this will give you more suspicion about me.

 

[MarsKid]

Is there still an issue or are we all good?

 

[Mooglie]

Prizyms, we knew who each other were in the doomed cruise. I got told all my partners, but not their roles.

Oh? Well, in that case, I've played too much EpicMafia in the passing time! (Mafia only know each other starting from first night talk on EM)

A usual day start on EpicMafia:
"GUYS DON'T CLAIM/LYNCH ANYONE NL QUICK NO TALKING"

 

[Jivvi]

Wait what the hell why did I tag Thymos back there

 

[Jivvi]

Prizyms, we knew who each other were in the doomed cruise. I got told all my partners, but not their roles.

Oh? Well, in that case, I've played too much EpicMafia in the passing time! (Mafia only know each other starting from first night talk on EM)

Keeping in mind that there is also a Dawn setting, which is essentially mafia getting to talk before Day 1, but they can't kill.

 

[HypeBurst]

MarsKid I think everyone is confused whether the mafia know who each other are on day 0. If you are allowed to answer this, it would be dandy :)

 

[Enderfive]

Well then! I can see how this can look suspicious, lets see if I can try to explain myself.

This was your next post. Again, we see that you're not actually contributing anything to the discussion, rather, you're bringing up something from my post that might put some suspicion on someone else, in that case, 77. That's a scummy move, as far as my knowledge and logic about mafia games goes. They're ensuring that they don't seem suspicious, while at the same time putting suspicion on someone else.

Ok, let's assume that you just thought it was a funny thing to note. Let's move on.

^You could say that. Didnt mean anything with that post.

Well then, lets get some more information.

Vote Jivvi

Here we can see you following notty's lead and casting your vote on Jivvi. While notty's reasoning was logical in at least some levels, you have no reasoning at all. To me that seems like you're trying to start a bandwagon just for the sake of it, while at the same time you can hide behind notty and say: "But he started the vote!" if Jivvi should prove to be innocent. Another classic scum move.

And at the very next post, right after two people said that they think lynching Jivvi is kind of weird, what do you do?

Sometimes its smarter to keep some explanations to yourself, as mafia can also use it to their advantage.
So, now there wont be any need to stay on Jivvi.

Unvote

You unvote. Right after two people say that lynching Jivvi isn't the move they'd make, you unvote. It's honestly looking like you're trying to go with whatever the people think at the moment, so that your (public) opinion would match most of the player's opinions. Which would theoretically make you less suspicious to them because people usually suspect people who don't agree with them, rather then those who do agree with them.

I actually tried to start a bandwagon indeed. Ofcourse mafia wouldnt vote when just one random person got voted, it puts you too much in the spotlight, like I am right now. But, when there are already 2 votes on a person, you can make much more use of that. So, I wanted to see how people responded to it, and/or also went with it. Or, people that highly protected Jivvi. Just looking how people respond to it helps so much, and even your words will help me out. Does it make me look suspicious? Yes. So why do it as mafia?

And now, here's your final post.

I'm suprised people are already suspicious to you.
Ofcourse Notty's vote can be seen suspicious, but I'm sure he's just trying to get some reactions, which can be useful in the next days.

As for the night, I think we will just have to vote for a No-Lynch. The chance of lynching a townie is too big.

And with the information we have so far we cant call someone really suspicious.

We can see you protecting notty, who in my eyes is also suspicious (ok, yeah, you guys don't have to take that part as a valid point).
We can also see you supporting a No Lynch, because apparently, "the chance of lynching a townie is too big." Let me ask you, didn't you feel this way when you voted for Jivvi? And why, after all the explanation about why a No Lynch is the worst option for the town, do you still support it?

If you can explain all this to me without raising any more suspicions, then I'll leave you be for the time being. But honestly, right now, you are by far the most suspicious player in my eyes and if I had to vote right now, you'd get my vote.

You can see it as protecting, or you can see it as explaining.

I never meant to lynch Jivvi, as I said, I just wanted to get some reactions.
And even when NL'ing you will still gain information from this day, and night. And ofcourse I also understand why you want to lynch someone on this day, though I'm still thinking if it's the smartest thing to do.

Lets see if this will give you more suspicion about me.

Right, sorry for the mega-quote here, typing this on a phone.

In general this is a very good response actually and it has somewhat cooled down my scumradar. Although, don't think I don't still suspect you. As it was mentioned earlier, reaction testing is one the most commonly used cover-ups, at least from what I've seen. I'm still suspicious of you and if I had to vote, it would still be you. But the suspicion I had on you has cooled down a bit, so good work on that response.

Now, there are a couple of things that I'd like to argue against.

First off, you use the logic that you're not scum because I'm suspicious of you and that's a position scum wouldn't risk with (or something along those lines). There's a very good reason for why you would risk it nonetheless. You simply didn't think of how it could be suspicious. And if you did, then why would you have posted it? Town doesn't like getting lynched either, so you really could still be anything.

And also, how do you suppose we get any info if we No Lynch? The Spy will likely use his ability, which means that we won't know the roles of the players that die on N1, effectively leaving us with what we had on the table at the end of D0.

 

[Ltin]

We can also see you supporting a No Lynch, because apparently, "the chance of lynching a townie is too big." Let me ask you, didn't you feel this way when you voted for Jivvi? And why, after all the explanation about why a No Lynch is the worst option for the town, do you still support it?

i do believe that the notty was an attempt to get information. or at least thats what it was masked as.

 

[Ltin]

ohh nevermind. i just saw pims reply

 

[Jivvi]

This is kind of my mind map for links so far~

Endersteve5 attacked Pim
Nottykitten attacked Jivvi
Pim followed Nottykitten and attacked Jivvi
HypeBurst, Endersteve5 and Arachiadonic defended Jivvi

Alpha103, Prizyms and Sploorky appear to be collaborating in a corner, with the occasional interjection from The Road to Ruin and GmK

Pim failed to start a bandwagon, and took a hiding from Endersteve5, but everyone else has mostly ignored this

Nottykitten is falling ass over head in WIFOM loops

Ltin seems to agree with everyone

Potential mafia links could include~

Myself and Notty (unlikely)
Hype. Ender, Arac and myself (more likely)
Notty and Pim (not too likely)
Alpha, Priz and Sploork (not likely)

If we assume that I am mafia, it casts suspicion on a large portion of the group. If Nottykitten proves to be mafia, it casts suspicion over Pim. If Pim proves innocent, Endersteve may fall suspicious.

These are just strange ideas floating around in my head that I've caught with a butterfly net and smooshed into this text box, so don't make harsh judgements. These are just ideas. If we can add more, and subract the unlikely ones, perhaps we could and up with a successful lynch.

 

[Ltin]

Anymoment now somebody is going to cry foul somehow.

 

[Sploorky]

I haven't got much to say. Day zero is too early in the game to make any real suspicions, especially with 30 players. I feel we should leave it to fate or the idea I had earlier.

 

[cooliorules]

Okay, I've put together a list of everyone who has responded to our initial questions subtracting people who've contributed significantly to the conversation (IMO)

Cooliorules
cooliorules

If you will all follow me to the accusing parlor I think at least a couple of these names are alias' for scum!

Yeah, got on twice! Anyway, I've just caught up on the thread so;
The person that I think mafia would go after would most likely be someone who can persuade people, and convince people. Also, the experienced players.
Also, as a side note, someone that I think we should all keep in mind and not forget about is Prizyms. He showed to us last season that he can persuade people EXTREMELY well. This is not saying I'm suspicious of him, but that if he were to be mafia he could pull off just about anything.
I must agree, to an extent, with Ender. The quotes that he gathered from Pim, they can be taken the way that he presented it. But in no way, let me tell you guys, no way am I siding with him. That's how I got suspicion laid upon me originally last season.
That's my current thoughts, so I'll wait for more discussion to arise before I do anything

 

[Prizyms]

This is not saying I'm suspicious of him, but that if he were to be mafia he could pull off just about anything.

Who's to say that's limited to when I'm mafia

 

[Prizyms]

*when I'm mafia? I'm most certainly one of the more vocal players when I need to be, and considering I am an avid fan of this game and other psychology games, I can pick out subtle tells that others may miss.

 

[Jivvi]

I think we should keep up a little list of player links to help with narrowing things down. If we start now, we should be able to make some progress with it on Day 1

 

[Prizyms]

Going to post this before I'm off for the night.

GmK seems to be influencing many people - do not go along with him unless he is proven to be clear. In fact, don't trust anyone unless they are proven to be town by any means necessary, be it a doc save, roleblocker cross-check, or cop inspection.

 

[Ltin]

Just going to put this out there, but I have an odd feeling about ender.