MEDIEVAL MAFIA: INTRUSION [DAY 8]

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This is not saying I'm suspicious of him, but that if he were to be mafia he could pull off just about anything.
Who's to say that's limited to when I'm mafia
That's a good point, if you're on town then it's an advantage to us but it's dangerous when you're mafia.
That's sort of what I was trying to get at. Poor wording, sorry
 

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Going to post this before I'm off for the night.

GmK seems to be influencing many people - do not go along with him unless he is proven to be clear. In fact, don't trust anyone unless they are proven to be town by any means necessary, be it a doc save, roleblocker cross-check, or cop inspection.
How does a doc save prove innocence?

If a doctor saves someone, that person could ask 'Who saved me last night.' If no one answers, no one can be proven innocent, if one person answers, then that person is a most likely a doctor (the only exception is when the doctor wants to remain silent for want of safety), and thus is innocent (but, if revealed, is also most likely dead the next day.) If more than 2 people answer, then you know one of them isn't telling the truth, and one is (assuming the previously mentioned scenario isn't occurring.)
 

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Going to post this before I'm off for the night.

GmK seems to be influencing many people - do not go along with him unless he is proven to be clear. In fact, don't trust anyone unless they are proven to be town by any means necessary, be it a doc save, roleblocker cross-check, or cop inspection.
How does a doc save prove innocence?
Doc saving a player clears the doc and the saved player if unCCd.
 

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Going to post this before I'm off for the night.

GmK seems to be influencing many people - do not go along with him unless he is proven to be clear. In fact, don't trust anyone unless they are proven to be town by any means necessary, be it a doc save, roleblocker cross-check, or cop inspection.
How does a doc save prove innocence?

If a doctor saves someone, that person could ask 'Who saved me last night.' If no one answers, no one can be proven innocent, if one person answers, then that person is a most likely a doctor (the only exception is when the doctor wants to remain silent for want of safety), and thus is innocent (but, if revealed, is also most likely dead the next day.) If more than 2 people answer, then you know one of them isn't telling the truth, and one is (assuming the previously mentioned scenario isn't occurring.)
Quite obviously, this could be faked by mafia by choosing not to kill. A night-kill wasted, but it would be worth it for them if one of them were to be cleared.
 

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Going to post this before I'm off for the night.

GmK seems to be influencing many people - do not go along with him unless he is proven to be clear. In fact, don't trust anyone unless they are proven to be town by any means necessary, be it a doc save, roleblocker cross-check, or cop inspection.
How does a doc save prove innocence?
Doc saving a player clears the doc and the saved player if unCCd.
I can understand the Doc, but not the player. Could you explain how the player is cleared?
 

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It is most certainly in the mafia's best interest to kill every night, especially with this many players and such little information. Doc should always he on PR claims when/if they arise. Never lynch a doc claim.
Ooo, look! Something I understand! If there's multiple doc claims, the real one will probably get killed in the night, exposing the other!
 

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It is most certainly in the mafia's best interest to kill every night, especially with this many players and such little information. Doc should always he on PR claims when/if they arise. Never lynch a doc claim.
Ooo, look! Something I understand! If there's multiple doc claims, the real one will probably get killed in the night, exposing the other!
I don't understand the post of Prizyms, but I can say to add to yours
That if the guilty one dies, then the other one is likely proven
OOOOOH I get it :D
 

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Never lynch a doc claim.
In a game like mafia, rules like that will lose the game. Your acting kinda suspicious
No, you're quite mistaken. If there are two doc claims, the only thing that can happen with a lynch is bad.
  1. Real doc is lynched. Fake doc survives another night and can perform their night action with the mafia.
  2. Fake doc is lynched. Real doc is killed during the night and town is screwed over in regards to protection.
 

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Please forgive my lack of posting, internet was crappy this morning.

From what it seems the most suspicious people are Pim and Priz?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also I see that people are pushing for a Lynch, and I guess whatever the group decides is best is probably best because there are people here with more experience than I have.
 

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Please forgive my lack of posting, internet was crappy this morning.

From what it seems the most suspicious people are Pim and Priz?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also I see that people are pushing for a Lynch, and I guess whatever the group decides is best is probably best because there are people here with more experience than I have.
Just going to be blunt here and tell you to stop agreeing with what everybody else is doing and make your own mind up. Not contributing and simply going with everyone else is toxic to the game, and results in the stronger players being killed off, leaving the less vocal players able to be swayed easily by the mafia and third parties. Suspicion is not some value that can be measured on a scale or whatnot - I may be a top FoS for some, but may also be a purely vocal player to others with no suspicion. I'm not just saying this because I'm considered suspicious - I would have said this if it was anybody being suspected through hive mentality alone.
 

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My point of view:
  • Pim seems suspicious for reasons mentioned by endersteve, but partially defends himself
  • nitasu appears to want to bandwagon (which is understandable since he's new to the game)
Never lynch a doc claim.
In a game like mafia, rules like that will lose the game. Your acting kinda suspicious
No, you're quite mistaken. If there are two doc claims, the only thing that can happen with a lynch is bad.
  1. Real doc is lynched. Fake doc survives another night and can perform their night action with the mafia.
  2. Fake doc is lynched. Real doc is killed during the night and town is screwed over in regards to protection.
As for the doctor issue, there are other possible outcomes with multiple claims if neither are lynched.
  1. The quoted outcomes
  2. Neither is lynched, but vigilante kills fake doctor while real doctor survives, arousing suspicion (never mind, roles are released upon death)
  3. Same situation, but real doctor is accidentally killed by vigilante
  4. Vigilante kills fake doctor, real doctor is mafia-killed
  5. Neither is killed overnight; town is slightly stunned
Interestingly, nobody has mentioned the vigilante in their statements.
 

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My point of view:
  • Pim seems suspicious for reasons mentioned by endersteve, but partially defends himself
  • nitasu appears to want to bandwagon (which is understandable since he's new to the game)
In a game like mafia, rules like that will lose the game. Your acting kinda suspicious

No, you're quite mistaken. If there are two doc claims, the only thing that can happen with a lynch is bad.
  1. Real doc is lynched. Fake doc survives another night and can perform their night action with the mafia.
  2. Fake doc is lynched. Real doc is killed during the night and town is screwed over in regards to protection.
As for the doctor issue, there are other possible outcomes with multiple claims if neither are lynched.
  1. The quoted outcomes
  2. Neither is lynched, but vigilante kills fake doctor while real doctor survives, arousing suspicion (never mind, roles are released upon death)
  3. Same situation, but real doctor is accidentally killed by vigilante
  4. Vigilante kills fake doctor, real doctor is mafia-killed
  5. Neither is killed overnight; town is slightly stunned
Interestingly, nobody has mentioned the vigilante in their statements.
My argument was purely about lynching, not kills.
 
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