That's the longest post I've ever seen... and it actually makes quite a bit of sense. I'm ugessing the reason dessern's investigation came up would've been because of some 3rd party action then. Also we're not aloud kill hunter or samlen whatever happens?Allright, stop the press, don't vote to lynch samlen
I hoped I didn't have to do this, but now that it's pretty clear what's happening I have no other choice. Let me tell you the story of
Hunter27a1 and his plot to win very sneakily[BCOLOR=#99cc00]Disclaimer at the start[/BCOLOR]: In this story, neither Hunter nor Samlen are a threat to the town - except for the fact they win the game if their win condition is met, but they don't work against us, it's actually awesome to have even more "confirmed" non-mafia claims, as we can narrow down even further on who the scum is.
Content:
1. The claim
2. The behavior in game and it's reason
3. The win condition
4. The role action speculation
1. The claimWhilst Hunters claim sounds lovely (and huge props for devising it, it is a fantastic fake claim), it is also complete bullcrap if you spend just a moment looking at it. The one fact you trip over is the "Level Clearance" thing. Nowhere in this game was there ever any indication of security levels. Hunter claims to need a keycard to get another security clearance level. But all the keycards do, is let you join one of the three rooms we have.
-> The keycard only lets the user enter a room
-> Nothing about so called security clearances
-> The person needs to know the room numbers, which once again goes against Hunter simply needing a keycard to get his clearance
There's more to the claim (like SCP 159, waaaaaat?) but let's move to the next point, I'll get back to the claim in a bit.
2. The behavior in game and it's reasonEverybody has noticed the way Hunter has been playing this game, much to the irritation of some. Now, looking at how mafia works, there's usually only very few reasons someone would play exactly like this. The two most likely are:
- A very good playing fool like role that wants to be lynched
but since fools suck ass in closed setups, the next is more likely
- A role that wants to be investigated / visited / looked at closer by other players. By making yourself just enough suspicious to seem scummy, you will have PRs visiting you at night / watching you / tracking you / etc.
I believe with a high degree of certainty, that Hunter's behavior is due to having some kind of action that requires him to be interacted with at night.
What that action could be I'll get to in part 4, since that's the one thing I have to assume more than the others.
3. The Win conditionNow it gets interesting. Please everyone look back at the claim, and one of the posts before it:
So, taking my approach of debunking the claim, Hunter's claim goes like this:
Blah Blah Blah Air Air Filler Filler Blah
Explicit Knowledge of the Rogue MTF Unit
All before in his claim doesn't even matter, the extremely important puzzle piece is the fact he explicitely knows the name one of specific role. All other things he uses to support his claim ("I knew so many things ahead of the time and was always right") were extremely educated guesses, playing into his very well built fake claim ("I guessed there was a Vig, of course my documents only stated there was a Vig, everything else was redacted").
Don't be blended by the rest, the one important thing to take away from Hunters claim is the fact that everything leads up to the Rogue MTF Unit, which he had to find a reason for knowing the exact role. Also, please remember how he stated that the person that is the Rogue MTF Unit needs to claim immediately "for the benefit of us all".
Some people might already guess where this is going, but bear with me.
Next puzzle piece: Samlen claims to be the Rogue MTF Unit, and surprise surprise, Samlen also knows exactly one role by exact name: SCP 096 - with the difference of also stating/admitting that he needs to kill that role in order to fulfill his win condition.
Does this seem familiar to anyone? If you have played mafia before, it should click latest now:
We have a pair of third party roles, tasked with getting the other killed, in order to win.
A good example of how this is very likely, if you need more instances, is this:
So, all the time before, Hunter absolutely attacks road for a potentially bogus TP claim (oh the irony!) and suddenly when Road votes to lynch Samlen, Hunter forgets all that and immediately jumps on the wagon to lynch Samlen. This for me sealed the deal of being sure that Hunter requires Samlen dead to win.
I believe Hunter is SCP 096, has a win condition of having Rogue MTF dead (Samlen), and has one more night ability that requires people interacting somehow.
All he has done supports this, every piece of the puzzle fits, and the fact of jumping behind road suddenly to vote samlen seals the deal.
Please also remember this:
When we talked about how a TP win shouldn't be a reason to lynch a TP, he was very against that and continued to push. Well of course he would be against it, since he wants to win by himself. (oh, the irony)
4. The role action speculationThe last point I wanted to add, is a speculation about what Hunters role actually does.
Hunter asks Ooglie for the keycard. Next morning Ooglie turns up dead. So my one theory is, that Hunter kills whoever gives him an item or visits him, since it is likely Ooglie did attempt to give Hunter the keycard.
The one thing that does not fit properly into this theory is, that dessern investigated Hunter the same night, and that 77 claims to have blocked hunter that night.
So: Ooglie died due to something else, Dessern didn't die since Hunter was blocked, or was protected by a doctor (remember: The doc if he exists/existed would always try to protect a cop claim!) or The blocking only blocked the first interaction and Ooglie was the second, or.
We will probably never find out until the game ends and we see all actions, so I cannot be sure if my theory of the night action is correct. The good thing is: It doesn't matter for the game right now.
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tl;dr:
1. IF WE LYNCH EITHER SAMLEN OR HUNTER THE OTHER ONE WILL WIN THE GAME.
2. We have two "confirmed" TP roles that do not run the risk of going against town, and who won't be touched by scum since scum would lose the game. This gives us great power of keeping scum under some form of control.
Thank you for reading.
I'll stick with my vote for iggy.
SCP - Secure, Contain, Mafia [GAME OVER]
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That's the longest post I've ever seen... and it actually makes quite a bit of sense. I'm ugessing the reason dessern's investigation came up would've been because of some 3rd party action then. Also we're not aloud kill hunter or samlen whatever happens?
Says you. I'm not allowed to quote exactly what's on my pm page but it says something like 'your vote was not counted'. OMO you are obviously scum now. I thought it was Jivvi. You are just trying to set me up even though I'm a fellow o5. If you are town this is a bullshit move. You hit first so I'm gonna hit back
vote Old Man Oak.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
What? Wait a second.
Night 2: Your vote wasn't counted, as you stated.
Night 3 (the one this is about): You said you voted yes. OMO and Jivvi also state they voted yes. You all get the message that there were two yes and one no. This clearly shows that one of you is not telling the truth.
You attack on OMO seems unfounded and overly harsh.
By the way jivvi can't prove if it's me or hunter. He probably got the same message as the rest of us. It did seem harsh voting oak but he is knitting some utter bullshit right now. And the real reason everyone thinks it's me is that I said I voted yes last. because all of that discussion happened when I was asleep/at school. If oak is mafia he is going to eliminate the other o5 because the chances of there being 3 o5s is highly unlikely. And he knows that if he kills us two very high ranking townies will be dead. He also knows Jivvi will put up a better defence than me so he is singling out me and then he is going to try to kill jivvi. I would also like to remind people that are seeing oaks view of things realise that Ltin is also a target. That wasn't cleared up very well but people act like they forget about it.
AND I FORGOT TO UNVOTE AGAIN!
AND I FORGOT TO UNVOTE AGAIN!
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
He's not singling you out because jivvi can put up a better defence, he is singling out you because you directly contradict something he sais. He said he is the one that had a no-vote during the Lee-Scar voting and you claim you had a no-vote. Which is why from his perspective you are lying.
Note: don't confuse no-vote with a no.
that is a very interesting theory you've come up with, as is usual for you, but I would like to point out a few flaws:
Since the pass was found on his body, it can be inferred that Ooglie never got the chance to pass it on.
In addition, there was an anonymous message relayed by fiesta one hour after the day's start, most likely "recorded" by Ooglie.
Two things here: Ooglie subtly referencing the secondary use of his card, and him mentioning that he will join a room that night, as it would be his only opportunity to do so.
The clearance level, highlighted in bold, is clearly stated.
Since the pass was found on his body, it can be inferred that Ooglie never got the chance to pass it on.
Tim received an anonymous message in his room the same night Ooglie said he would visit.
In addition, there was an anonymous message relayed by fiesta one hour after the day's start, most likely "recorded" by Ooglie.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Every room gets the same message each night, not only one, so no relation.
The death message wasas usual flavor and thus cursive and is in no way to be taken as real info - as a host you should be aware of that.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
The first two parts have nothing really to do with his claim that you are SCP-096. Only that you might not have killed Ooglie. But ohwell the rest still makes sense.
Also since nobody actually claimed the person that can send messages, can we assume this person is one of the 4 dead ones? Unless Erik or Lee wants to claim it.
We received anonymous messages practically every night, and let me assure you that it was not Ooglie.
Also since nobody actually claimed the person that can send messages, can we assume this person is one of the 4 dead ones? Unless Erik or Lee wants to claim it.
first of all, tim was the only one to mention getting an anonymous message iirc, correct me if I'm wrong
secondly, if names of items dropped on death is useless flavor, explain this:
GmK
International Man Of Cake
??? Sorry, but i am quite sure that medical kit he dropped was flavor, since OMO gave Jivvi the kit.
The thing is, for me personally I don't even want to discuss the thing, since I can now close my frame/net of scum even closer. In this moment I do not care if I am correct, even though I am 99% sure apart from the night ability.
For me this for now just means less people that are likely scum, making the hunting easier.
The thing is, for me personally I don't even want to discuss the thing, since I can now close my frame/net of scum even closer. In this moment I do not care if I am correct, even though I am 99% sure apart from the night ability.
For me this for now just means less people that are likely scum, making the hunting easier.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
That's why I at first wrote yesterday when I started to suspect your true calling that I'll let you play your game, only when I discovered that you likely need samlen dead to win, I stepped in.
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