TBD [Status: GAME OVER]
- Thread starter GmK
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Still getting used to the new look of blocktopia. Now, I don't know why you think i'm pushing the Notty vote, I honestly believe she's lying and I want her to tell the truth. My vote was meant to pressure that, though it obviously isn't working... aside from that not much going on right now. 77 got caught in a lie and I'm not convinced he's being all the way straight with us but I'd rather not stop in the middle of one investigation just to go star another one. There's no concrete facts on either side, I just think Notty's is the more ambitious lie and it is the one more worth following up on. We haven't any leads on the mafia no leads on the cult. If notty tells the truth I'll drop my vote simple as that, but she claims she already is telling the truth. If our lie detector is willing to use one of our 2 detections remaining I'll drop my vote but I'll leave it for now if that isn't an investment the town is willing to make.
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
Ah crap. I don't know who to go for more....
((I stopped getting alerts so that's why I haven't commented ._.))
Notty already DID tell the truth of her role, even considering it seems kind of OP I'd rather not risk lynching her.
And as everyone else has pointed out, 77's claim seems quite iffy and Road is completely focused on Notty and no one else...
But who's more suspicious, I'm not sure ._.
((I stopped getting alerts so that's why I haven't commented ._.))
Notty already DID tell the truth of her role, even considering it seems kind of OP I'd rather not risk lynching her.
And as everyone else has pointed out, 77's claim seems quite iffy and Road is completely focused on Notty and no one else...
But who's more suspicious, I'm not sure ._.
???!
How do you know she's telling the truth in the first place? As far as I'm concerned she didn't tell the truth about her role, she made a concession that she hasn't been completely honest with us. Yesterday I was concerned about her being cult, this would allow the cult leader to lay claim to a bomb and possibly other goodies. Late in the day yesterday but before I had a chance to reply she claimed that her role (which I already felt was very over powered) is indeed even more powerful. I've not heard one person be skeptical of anything she's said, she claims she investigated one person and no everybody just randomly believes her, it'd be one thing if there was some undeniableness to what she was doing, like if she claimed that she killed somebody; the town can confirm that but an investigation is a weak thing to base a role claim (and whether or not you believe it) on, off the top of my head I can come up with three scenario's that could explain why ender (At least I think it was ender) would go along with her claim, maybe she is the cult leader and ender is a cultist. Maybe she is mafia and bussed Fruit yesterday, maybe she has the ability to invite people to private rooms with her and she negotiated some shady deal. If anyone can think of a concrete reason why we should trust Notty I'm all ears.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Don't worry when the deadline comes we're all suddenly gonna be active again like yesterday.
Reason activity is dead is because there isn't really much for me to talk about. I've pointed out that I think Road is probabily Mafia for wanting to lynch me, and I don't really have anything else to say.
Maybe those that haven't vote yet should tell who they suspect most and why he/she is not voting for them.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Or, you know, it could just be the way I already explained, which is that I have no reason to believe that someone that
a) makes a high risk claim to declare me innocent (which I am, you can quote me on that or use the lie detector or whatever), then
b) proves herself to me as the role she claimed by giving me the bomb,
c) leads a lynch on a mafia and then
d) exposes her own lie to the benefit of the town, without any actual pressure to do so
could be mafia. It makes zero sense for anyone to do, whether they're Notty or not. I mean, not even counting the two first reasons, which are really confirmed only to me, the third one should still put off at least the majority of doubt that she is not mafia because she's not stupid enough to risk her role (which, if she was mafia, was probably the most valuable role in play for them) for a WIFOM.
As for the hypothesis that she's cult, didn't 77 already say she was innocent? And sure, I get that you all seem to think that 77 is shady as well (not that I'd understand why, but okay) then you might think that we're in on this together, all the three of us, but I ask you to think if the cult, which is already in enough danger due to probably pretty low numbers (like two or three maybe, if we assume they've succeeded in recruiting every night they're able to), would risk their numbers by seriously having every member publicly support each other? Or if that still doesn't do it for you, just have a little faith in me, okay? (Before coolio jumps on me because she thinks that saying things like "have faith in me" or "i'm not mafia" is a sign of mafia, no, it isn't.)
Okay, enough of this back and forth. As far as I'm concerned, you're aggressive towards Notty for the sake of being aggressive towards her. I see no actual reason why you should be so damn bent on lynching her, especially considering how you yourself said that you don't think that she's cult and you don't think that she's mafia (so again, what bloody reason do you have to lynch her at all). At least Defiant seems to at least consider the other possibilities and isn't tunnel visioning notty as the big bad here.
vote The road to ruin
What? Let's focus on the mafia theory because as you said cult probably isn't correct. This all hinges on the fact that you are indeed innocent, now that may make sense to you if your innocent but it doesn't to me because as far as I'm aware your not innocent, not guilty maybe, but definitely not confirmed innocent. If notty is mafia than I don't see her having her role be as described at all. My most likely scenario for me is third party. Even from your perspective, assuming your telling the truth this does nothing to erase the third party scenario. It could be that Notty is also capable of other things as well, perhaps she opened a room with you and doing something convinced you to go ahead with this lie. Now I don't know why your so hung up on me tunneling Notty, I said I believe D1 that "in a game like this (that being a game with predefined time limits on all votes, it's important that everyone vote more often" and later on that "I'm voting as a form of enhanced FOS, not a serious attempt to push a lynch". I find Notty's claim highly suspect, the only thing else of interest would be 77 claim and to be honest I'd be riding his back if Notty's claim wasn't so ambitious. I'll say this though,
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Fine, here I go.
My name is Hercules, and I am the inventor. I can make bombs among other things. They explode when whomever has it, be it me, Ender or someone else[I gave someone besides Ender a bomb], gets killed during the night. I am Third Party, and I my win condition, the way I interpreted it, is that I win when I'm alive and when all treats to the town have been eliminated.
That all or did I miss something?
My name is Hercules, and I am the inventor. I can make bombs among other things. They explode when whomever has it, be it me, Ender or someone else[I gave someone besides Ender a bomb], gets killed during the night. I am Third Party, and I my win condition, the way I interpreted it, is that I win when I'm alive and when all treats to the town have been eliminated.
That all or did I miss something?
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
I never said I didn't think she was third party, in fact, since she's said so multiple times herself, I find it more than likely. But I don't think that lynching third parties for the sake of lynching them is self-destructive, since considering the amount of third parties we've already seen and the amount that are probably still alive, this can't lead to anywhere but a loss.
Notty, I don't think your win condition can be to be alive with the town, I'd think you can be alive with whoever, just that you've chosen to be on the town's side, which I'm grateful for.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
one whole post is bold
the one bit which needs to be bolded is not
i guess this guy is on a
*puts on sunglasses*
road to ruin
that was so bad but it feels so good
I still think Notty is cult but >;c
What I meant by that was I think she's a malevolent 3rd party, either her goal isn't to merely be alive with town or something outright more difficult, which would make more sense considering the vast powers she claims. That being said with our lie detector (who for the record I trust to a degree due to the 77 challenge) is more than able to work with what's provided, or at least enough to sate my curiosity.
So if I'm not mistaken, Notty, Road, and 77 seem to be the main people being discussed so far, so here's what I think about them so far.
Notty: Each little lie has been bothering me, especially considering the quantity of them. That, and her role does seem quite powerful. BUT she does seem to have some evidence to back her up, and does seem to be trying to play for the town (always possibility of smart mafia but we can't go on things that uncertain right now...). It doesn't make me happy, but I don't think I'm willing to lynch Notty. Now, it'd certainly make me happier if another trusted person of the town (or since that doesn't ever seem to exist, anyone not affiliated with Notty) was given an investigative module by Notty and investigated her, then I'd feel more confident about keeping her alive. Overall, I doubt I'll lynch Notty today, considering there is enough of a possibility that she is really trying to help town.
77: Seems to be playing very third-party-like, and what he has done so far seems to be done in the effort of just keeping himself alive. His roleclaim is convoluted and lies don't make me happy, but in this game, convoluted seems to be part of the recipe =/ I don't feel like 77 is suspicious enough to lynch yet, for his role sounds similar to Notty's in that they are both third-partys that can be beneficial to us... Or at least, I don't find either suspicious enough yet to risk a lynch on them.
Road: Dunno, seems mostly overly aggressive, though apparent tunneling on Notty is worrying (I can understand not trusting her, but his seems to somewhat taken to an extreme). I'm not sure if his actions are more of a townie completely convinced Notty is lying or as Mafia member that wants a dangerous role out of the way... If forced to lynch, he's more of a candidate than Notty or 77 to me, but we still have three days that I think we need to spend digging around.
Now onto other thoughts... I don't mean to be an alarmist, but we've lost 8/24 of our players and have only gotten one mafia member. Or, on the brighter side, two anti-town members because of Duffie. I'm going with idea that we probably have one mafia team (because one death the past two nights AND we have a cult. I just think two mafia teams and a cult would be overkill, but that's just me...) so that mafia team likely started with 5-6 people, which would leave 4-5 still alive. And with the cult, they could have anywhere between 1-3 (depending on how many started out as cultists and whether they were successful on each night they've tried to convert someone). So by my estimates, there's 5-8 anti-town members alive still, and that's discounting the possibility of a serial killer or any other random role that may be here. So, in my eyes, this is more of a warning to people that we NEED to be more cautious in our hunting for anti-town, for they may be equal to our numbers even now =/ (This is part of the reason I'm hesitant to lynch 77 or Notty, I'd rather not make any mistakes right now with only 2/8 of the deaths so far being anti-town).
So, what we need is more of a plan, or else the anti-town people could easily stir the town into chaos. I haven't come up with a concrete one yet, but I'd like to ask that we, as a town, try and come up with a plan, for with a plan, we can keep order and with order, it'll be easier to see whom is trying to cause chaos in the town.
Notty: Each little lie has been bothering me, especially considering the quantity of them. That, and her role does seem quite powerful. BUT she does seem to have some evidence to back her up, and does seem to be trying to play for the town (always possibility of smart mafia but we can't go on things that uncertain right now...). It doesn't make me happy, but I don't think I'm willing to lynch Notty. Now, it'd certainly make me happier if another trusted person of the town (or since that doesn't ever seem to exist, anyone not affiliated with Notty) was given an investigative module by Notty and investigated her, then I'd feel more confident about keeping her alive. Overall, I doubt I'll lynch Notty today, considering there is enough of a possibility that she is really trying to help town.
77: Seems to be playing very third-party-like, and what he has done so far seems to be done in the effort of just keeping himself alive. His roleclaim is convoluted and lies don't make me happy, but in this game, convoluted seems to be part of the recipe =/ I don't feel like 77 is suspicious enough to lynch yet, for his role sounds similar to Notty's in that they are both third-partys that can be beneficial to us... Or at least, I don't find either suspicious enough yet to risk a lynch on them.
Road: Dunno, seems mostly overly aggressive, though apparent tunneling on Notty is worrying (I can understand not trusting her, but his seems to somewhat taken to an extreme). I'm not sure if his actions are more of a townie completely convinced Notty is lying or as Mafia member that wants a dangerous role out of the way... If forced to lynch, he's more of a candidate than Notty or 77 to me, but we still have three days that I think we need to spend digging around.
Now onto other thoughts... I don't mean to be an alarmist, but we've lost 8/24 of our players and have only gotten one mafia member. Or, on the brighter side, two anti-town members because of Duffie. I'm going with idea that we probably have one mafia team (because one death the past two nights AND we have a cult. I just think two mafia teams and a cult would be overkill, but that's just me...) so that mafia team likely started with 5-6 people, which would leave 4-5 still alive. And with the cult, they could have anywhere between 1-3 (depending on how many started out as cultists and whether they were successful on each night they've tried to convert someone). So by my estimates, there's 5-8 anti-town members alive still, and that's discounting the possibility of a serial killer or any other random role that may be here. So, in my eyes, this is more of a warning to people that we NEED to be more cautious in our hunting for anti-town, for they may be equal to our numbers even now =/ (This is part of the reason I'm hesitant to lynch 77 or Notty, I'd rather not make any mistakes right now with only 2/8 of the deaths so far being anti-town).
So, what we need is more of a plan, or else the anti-town people could easily stir the town into chaos. I haven't come up with a concrete one yet, but I'd like to ask that we, as a town, try and come up with a plan, for with a plan, we can keep order and with order, it'll be easier to see whom is trying to cause chaos in the town.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Votecount 4.1 - the one where the beat goes on
the road to ruin - [fa=fa-user][/fa][fa=fa-user][/fa][fa=fa-user][/fa] - nottykitten, xXxFruitNinjaxXx, endersteve5 (Lynch in 6)
nottykitten - [fa=fa-user][/fa] -Defiant_Blob (Lynch in 8)
Not voting: Mad11gab8, Ooglie101, timdood3 , cooliorules, the road to ruin, 77_is_the_best, CaffeinatedKitten, samlen, jKangaroo, catgirl(numbers) , Jolteon42, Lee_Scar
With 16 alive it will take 9 to lynch.
Deadline: Thursday 22nd of January 10pm GMT.