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- Thread starter Prizyms
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Seems like throughout the day Aqua was setting me up to appear scummy if Jolt was flipped mafia, kinda like a half-hearted bus
Him asking for infected's role was out of nowhere and suspicious. I think if Aqua flips maf then Jolt may(?) be as well
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vote Aqua
but a jolt lynch is more risky + aqua hasn't contributed much at all, at least jolt has evidence towards the roleblocking aspect of his claim
if only notty's partner had investigated instead, then we wouldn't be in this situation + we'd know 77's alignment
tbh you could just block jolt but that'd be a waste if you're both town
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Is it riskier though?
You've laid out plans, but any time the town comes up with a plan during the day it could just as easily be interrupted or at worst, manipulated, by any anti-towns/Mafia/third-parties in this game.
If Jolt's actually mafia and we leave him alone for X person to investigate him? Bam possible Lawyer or Framer role.
And so on with whatever other speculation there can be since we don't necessarily know what types of powers are in this game.
It's best to let the town power-roles to decide what they think is the best course of action with some input, but not a lot, from us, since it may just make things worse.
And while I feel like players like Aqua/notme should really be more serious with their posts (since hopefully we're out of shitpost-ville from earlier), I'd rather stick to people to vote on that has potential evidence against them.
Lynching a random player(only saying lynching, because voting may give information/force them to say something than be silent) because some people are fed up with current arguments isn't necessarily logical, and is more an emotional response, and I feel like a lot of players wouldn't want to do so anyways because there isn't much reason to outside of that emotional state.
It's the Day Zero logic for why people no-lynch: there is no real evidence against them. I don't want to take that chance at killing a townie or power role. If we can find actual evidence to push them to a vote I'll gladly say whether or not I feel they're suspicious, but I don't think lynching anybody in that circumstance is good at this time because of that lack of evidence (unless we can obtain some)
I stick with my vote on Jolt.
The "silencing" feels like a ploy. It makes no sense in a forum game unless he's forced to be silent for an entire in-game day like a vanilla silencer would be. But that runs into the problem of people not actually participating which is bad for the game itself since forum games last longer than IRC/epicmafia games.
Jolt currently claims jailor. "Jailor" is both a vanilla town role, and a vanilla Mafia role in that of the Interrogator. So I agree that there can't be 2 town-sided Jailors, but I believe there is more evidence to support that Duffie is the townsided Jailor-esq role, which I've stated before.
I say lynch the person who has more evidence against them.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
To add on to the silencing not making sense in a forum setting, I'll give another example why it makes no sense in this instance, based on my experience.
Again with TBD and me being the Devilish-Businessman, when people accepted deals and let me control their votes THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION IT.
That is how a silencing mechanic could work in a forum setting.
This random poem that came out of nowhere and the "real-life" timed-ness and Jolt basically saying he thinks he was silenced feels mindblowing to me.
Going off of past games is shaky ground I admit but I just can't see how it's possible for this stuff to happen. It's an incredibly deep rabbit hole he's dug himself into.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
I'm pretty sure I said yesterday that I think the female name = hooker argument was silly and I don't think it holds water?
I don't understand what you're getting at.
Also evidence in Mafia = either confirmed stuff like dead people or in the eye of the beholder because anything anyone's saying could be a lie so it's just what we believe in to be true.
um duh yes???
literally they claimed protective role/roleblocker. the zalgo thing came after notty's comment about "lord and savior" so that might be where it's from???
makes literally no sense for a hooker to claim day one. they'd hide in the background
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Because that was obviously a joke about Infected(or whoever it was) giving us a votecount after so many people asked for one???
What the the content of the poem matter when we don't even know it's context, which could just as easily be nothing of value in the slightest?
And if we're going down that route we could claim "The name of the poem is called, 'THE PROPHET' which must obviously mean there's a cult in this game! With cthulu!" *insert eldrict horror noises here for effect*
I don't trust using that zalgo nonsense as something trustworthy enough to be backed up on.
anyway even if jolt is maf he'd have to go along with the plan to appear towny, otherwise he'd get caught by at least one of the contingencies, confirmed antitown, and get lynched tomorrow anyway
so aqua lynch is best lynch
so aqua lynch is best lynch
..."I am lynching you because your role name is the same as a poet." .....[/QUOTE]
I do not know that I lose my ability. It is only a suspicion.[/QUOTE]
Err...How is lynching me ideal? Lynch me because we have more than one investigative role? Where is the logic I don't see it.[/QUOTE]
This is an excellent point. In fact, he said he was "forced to post that poem" -> implying certainty. In fact he was certain, "I was silenced" (speaking factually). Obviously it's a different circumstance, but not being allowed to say anything (other than 'hey I was silenced') about it does make sense.
With that, my ear is bleeding soooo.....I'm gonna go get that taken care of....
let's say he is hooker
to appear as jailer, he would have to roleblock a player. maf would not be allowed to kill said player without confirming jolt as fake
say, as part of a plan, jolt and duffie both jail me while watcher watches and an unknown tracker tracks jolt.
if watcher dies, tracker knows where jolt went
if i die, watcher knows who visited me. if neither jolt nor duffie visited me then one probably blocked the other, as can be confirmed by tracker
cop is free to investigate whoever as roleblockers are tied up trying to confirm selves with this plan
so maf cannot roleblock anyone important at risk of exposing their hooker as fake
actually we should lynch jivvi???
if true then duffie should block jolt cause no one is dying anyway???
we get cop report on someone idk
they get confirmed town/maf/3p???
no town die at night so win/win
if jivvi lied and this is a bluff then oh well rip 1 maf/3p as town would have no reason to bluff as virgin
literally 0 downsides to jivvi lynch except ill miss his words of wisdom
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vote jivvi
Because his ability will trigger regardless of whether he's lynched or nightkilled, and if need be we can save it for an emergency mylo situation... Though arguably, if we do it now we could avoid said situation entirely.
I just tend to try to save whatever resources possible.