Русская мафия! [Complete]

[Jivvi]

surely it's better to pick from the immediate controversy? if we lynch from the current suspects at least we have a chance of hitting mafia. lynching me is a 'guaranteed' town death. (uncc'd, no real reason to bluff). additionally we'd get nowhere as it would still be the same discussion tomorrow since i'd have blocked all night kills.

 

[Hunter]

Jivvi what do you think of the jolteon stuffs

 

[Hunter]

unvote

 

[myusername22]

So current votecount:
Nottykitten (6/10) - Notme, Jolteon42, Hunter, Aqua, Erik5456, Jivvi
Jolteon42 (5/10) - Nottykitten, Duffie, Ooglie101, Tim, CaffeinatedKitty

Not voted: myusername22 JKangaroo catgirl12466 Mastersten Watermelon1388 77thShad Infected_alien8_ Samlen

Tagging you all because current discussion(at the time I started writing this) is not really a usefull discussion so I want to know what you guys think.
As far as I can tell how the situation currently is:
- 77 is going to vote me I think.
- Infected probs got confused by alot of things I said, which is normal for a newer player. So I think he might vote me for being confusing. (though I hope not <3)
- Myuser voted me before and I think might do it again.
- JK seemed to lean towards the Jolt vote.
- Cat has made 1 post and it wasn't about any of us so I doubt she'll vote.
- Same with water? Or did I miss Waters' post.
- And I forgot which side Master was on but I think he found me suspicious.
- Sam just unvoted, don't think he knows what to do with me anymore.

Looking at this list I made it doesn't look very good for me. So here i'm gonna write a pros/cons list between lynching me or jolt for all you who havent voted yet.


But first let me just tell all of you that my partners ability is to investigate. I soft-claimed this before in my other long-ish post with spoilers where I explained my role. The reason for claiming to be apart of this chat with my partner in the first place was so that later in the game I didn't have to suddenly claim to be in a nightchat with someone that has investigative abilities. Because I thought that nobody would believe such a cop claim later in the game, so I tried to do the inn/nightchat part today. Which I saw a good opportunity for when people asked if someone was in an inn.

I get that I have been keeping some information from you/slowly revealing information, but put yourself in my perspective it was a bad idea to immediately claim everything about my role. I thought I could get away with just revealing a bit of it but people were only suspicious of me.

My name is Aleksandr Salko, I am a Policeman. A policeman in training, as I don't have the investigate ability myself but it is my partners'. Speaking of my partner, he is not exactly my partner but more my boss. As he's the Head of the Police force. But for easy purposes I'll keep refering to him as my partner. Previously I used it as an example but it is exactly what happened that night: we investigated 77thShad and we got no result back from the host. I would refer to myself as a cop claim, since while the ability isn't exactly mine, I can still give advice to the Head of the Police force who we should use it on and I can see the result when we do get one.

Now you might just say "But Notty is just claiming this to try and not get lynched". And you're absolutely right, as cop I should try not to get lynched so ofcourse I am going to fullclaim if I am close to getting lynched. Which is why I kept revealing a bit more information everytime to try and hope it is enough so that I didn't have to fully claim. I guess my fatal mistake was claiming to be in an inn at the start of Day 1, but it was my strategy to try and put part of my roleclaim out there and after I said it there was no turning back.

Futhermore, about the Tim/me thing with deaths. I said I was quite confident that I knew what was going to happen to me when "someone" dies, and I am. I believe what will happen is that I lose my chat with my partner and my partner will have to go on investigating without me. Possibly it could be that would mean my training is complete and I gain an investigative ability myself, but I am not sure about that.


So what does this mean? It means you're gonna have to choose to vote between a Cop claim and a Jailer claim. Which is a situation you probabily don't want to be in on any day, let stand the first productive day of the game. But we're in this situation now and you're gonna have to choose.

If you look back at my playstyle and the things I've said/done I think you will be able to see that I've mostly played in the interrest of trying to keep the fact that we can investigate a secret. Ofcourse there were some post you might call unnecesairy/confusing for the town, like when I was mocking Jolteon's poem by posting my own Poem because I deem it to be ridiculous. Which in hindsight might not of been best since some people don't get sarcasm/jokes, but other than that I tried my best to keep the Investigating ability a secret and also not to be a killing target for the Mafia if I ever did survive the day.

I know I'm not a very good cop, Its a role I am quite bad at playing. It's just not really a good role for my kind of playstyle, which speaks for itself considering I am up for lynching right now.


So now that I've said that you're gonna have to make a choice between me/Jolt. And as I said I would make a pros/cons list to try and help you with your decision. Note that these pros/cons lists are written from my perspective, and if you want a pros/cons list from Jolt's perspective you should ask Jolt to make one. I'm saying Jolt, and not Hunter because Hunter is very biased in my opinion and he will not make a good list in my opinion. It would be better to get the list from the other person that's up for lynching, which is Jolt.

Spoiler: Pros/Cons of lynching me

Pros:
- My death would prove that I am town and it will prove I have a partner who is a cop.

- An active and a bit of a "confusing(though not my intention)" player would be gone from the game.

Cons:
- Something very bad might happen to Tim(who claims to be town PR), and that could be very bad for the town.

- While my death proves I have a partner, my death will mean that if my partner wants to tell the town his investigative findings, he'd have to claim. This puts my partner out in the open in the crosshairs of the Mafia. While right now my partner has someone who can tell the town the investigation results for him, which would be me.

- You lynch 50% of this town's police force, lynching a cop is never good.

Spoiler: Pros/Cons of lynching Jolt

Pros:
- I believe he is Mafia, and once lynched will give us quite a bit of information about who is Mafia when we look at who supported him.

- If he is indeed Mafia, the Mafia roleblocker would be gone. This is a HUGE advantage for the town, and an opportunity we should not waste.

- If you're really not sure who to lynch between us two, think about what order would be best to lynch us in:

If we lynch him before me, his death will be able to prove I am indeed town sided as I've been going for a Jolt lynch for quite a while now. And it will mean the cop is still alive.

If we lynch me first, the cop will die and Jolt will have another night where he can use his roleblock to try and prevent the town PR's from performing an action.

Cons:
- If he isn't mafia(which I doubt but I have to put this con in here), then we lynched a non-mafia and suspicion will fall on both me and Duffie. Considering I know I'm town and that I believe Duffie to be town, this could end up with the next day being a mislynch from me/Duffie. However keep in mind that this is only if he isn't Mafia, which I find highly unlikely.

Some last words that I hope convince you not to vote me:
I've tried to contribute to every possible conversation, and to be useful to the town. I guess some jokes/sarcasm that I posted weren't perceived very greatly and caused confusion atleast twice, which is ofcourse my mistake so I'll try to write things more clearly. Sure my writing style can be a bit messy at times but other than that, in my opinion I think I've been helpful to the town. Consider keeping me alive for I can be even more usefull later when I can tell the town the investigative findings from me and my partner. I have no proof that my claim is the real deal, as I got roleblocked, but I hope that you believe me and vote the right person.

Thanks for reading this 1.5k words long post <3

I was at work for 10 hours yesterday and today, how do you guys expect me to keep up? I feel like this game is overactive. Currently have 14 pages to read before I can even respond.

 

[Hunter]

This still stands. Stop with the poetry/distorted text please

edit: mariosatr Omni You can get your cheap shitposting laughs elsewhere, just don't look for them in a Mafia game.

Wait does this confirm jolt's silence claim as fake? I don't believe Priz would request notty to stop if it was a potential game mechanic
On the other hand, if it was a bluff, I'd like to think Priz would have allowed it as it must have taken some effort to come up with that play and follow through.

But all of this is pretty much reliant on a metagaming point of view.

 

[Timdood3]

Wait does this confirm jolt's silence claim as fake? I don't believe Priz would request notty to stop if it was a potential game mechanic
On the other hand, if it was a bluff, I'd like to think Priz would have allowed it as it must have taken some effort to come up with that play and follow through.

But all of this is pretty much reliant on a metagaming point of view.

I've been thinking pretty much this. Didn't say anything because of the last part. I don't like metagame nor do I like bringing it up.
The last time I played mafia irl, one player joined in right before we started and was given a role card the was intentionally left out due to number of players: Townie. Another player tried to use this as proof of her innocence, and I was just like "getcho metagame outta her"

 

[Jivvi]

i'm still on the notty train because her story seems like it's a construct to avoid being lynched and gain the trust of the town, enabling her to lead a lynch on a pr later. she keeps covering holes in her claim that would allow for lynching her to be a strategically beneficial possibility. starting out she claimed to be in an inn for not really any reason, why out yourself so early if you're basically the cop's bulletproof vest. this claim evolved into staving off voters by insisting that eventually, once someone unknown dies, she might become more useful to town. now she's referring to herself as a cop when she's explicitly stated before that she lacks abilities and is expendable. in my personal opinion no matter how slowly you let out information, if you're trying for a solid claim, there shouldn't be this many new reveals. "oh wait, guys, you can't lynch me because of this aspect of my role i left out before!"

for example, when i claimed, the basic function of my role was presented accurately. the flavour names were fabricated for the sake of driving discussion away from the stupid 'no flavour=guilty' movement because people were ignoring the rolenames of the dead players. however, this revelation isn't a game changer, unlike changing "i'm only there to advise, if i die my partner retains the power" to "guys if i die my partner will be crippled". if you're being truthful, your claim won't change at all, minor things may be added, such as the night one events, but i think this much change, especially change that is so convenient for notty at the time of its revelation, looks more like a fake claim than a legitimate role.

 

[myusername22]

erik5456
Nottykitten
Hunter
@timdood
@anyone else who has made a claim, could you remind me where you made the claim? I'm having trouble trying to figure out what to believe and think it would help.

By the way, Still only on page 31 took a break for a while.

 

[Hunter]

erik5456
Nottykitten
Hunter
@timdood
@anyone else who has made a claim, could you remind me where you made the claim? I'm having trouble trying to figure out what to believe and think it would help.

By the way, Still only on page 31 took a break for a while.

waiting for notty's response before i hardclaim/self-inno

or i was but then i realized she rated my post as funny and that was the response
anyway i am kinda disappointed nobody actually put forth any evidence to contradict or support her claim

so i'm going to clear myself

was gonna do it right as day started but wanted to see how the notty thing played out so i could show her as lying


preemptively mentioned inns D0 to see if anyone picked up on that in case either I or my partner died
I am the only other Templar alive as of daystart

Templars are literally blues but have a chat at night. I did not know noah was my partner until night.

There are no other templars in the entire game. I am the last.

 

[Timdood3]

erik5456
Nottykitten
Hunter
@timdood
@anyone else who has made a claim, could you remind me where you made the claim? I'm having trouble trying to figure out what to believe and think it would help.

By the way, Still only on page 31 took a break for a while.

Here's a link to my claim post. You may want to take a look around for context.

 

[erik5456]

Mines right before notty instavotes jolt for visiting her. I'll give you the basics though. I knew jolt visited notty and I'm town. That's about it tbh. Also if anyone's wondering why I've suddenly gone quiet it's because I have actually nothing to add since were trying to progress and just going in circles. I still stand by ~ 2 decisions for lynching: lynching aqua for being memer and a few actual random posts that don't contribute much. Or lynching an inactive player such as Catgirl, watermelon, or raxo. I'm gonna go to bed and then school so no reply for like 13 hours basically. Don't lynch anyone (including me XD) without me plox. And since my votes on samlen and I mentioned what I mentioned above
Unvote

 

[myusername22]

...potato.
now i remember.

@all do you know the name of this village y/n do not post name of village if yes

@all do you know recent potato news y/n do not post news if yes

What the fuck. ?

 

[myusername22]

Mines right before notty instavotes jolt for visiting her. I'll give you the basics though. I knew jolt visited notty and I'm town. That's about it tbh. Also if anyone's wondering why I've suddenly gone quiet it's because I have actually nothing to add since were trying to progress and just going in circles. I still stand by ~ 2 decisions for lynching: lynching aqua for being memer and a few actual random posts that don't contribute much. Or lynching an inactive player such as Catgirl, watermelon, or raxo. I'm gonna go to bed and then school so no reply for like 13 hours basically. Don't lynch anyone (including me XD) without me plox. And since my votes on samlen and I mentioned what I mentioned above
Unvote

Either way I have to look for it>< any idea what page that is?

 

[JKangaroo]

What the fuck. ?

I think Priz wanted us to stop talking about that stuff since it was sorta delving into PM mechanics.
...Although we've already gone pretty far into PM mechanics already and honestly I have no idea what counts as PM mechanics anymore with the discussion that's gone on.

 

[JKangaroo]

Either way I have to look for it>< any idea what page that is?

I got'cha.
Page 16: http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-day-1.19189/page-16
Quote:

Oh baby I'm an FoS now and Tim seems to be a town PR. Well then might as well give the mafia more then one target cuz why not. Jolt I know for a fact that you visited notty last night because I'm also a town PR role. See this means that either you're scum, you and notty are scum, or (and I hope) you're the two people in the inn although I'm not sure now if Tim is involved whatsoever. But jolt would you mind explaining what you were doing in the nottykitten estatement this past evening? Or in more Russian terms: SACHA WANT KNOW WHAT POTATOES YOU TWO SMUGGLING?!?!? And for those who are going like wtf why pr claim? Well now mafia has to choose between me or timdood and aside from that I think I'll be fine at night so just protect timdood rather then me

 

[JKangaroo]

Also at myuser's request, hear are other's like Jolts, Notty's, and Duffie's claims if you didn't look at them already (although Duffie did make a nice little table on page 38 which I think summed up stuff nicely)
------------------------------
Notty:
Page 21: http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-day-1.19189/page-21#post-370274
Not gonna quote it because there's spoilers in there and those are a pain to deal with.

Jolt:
Page 22: http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-day-1.19189/page-22#post-370281
This claim is followed by questions asked by Duffie in subsequent posts (which probably should be read for context) which brings us to....

Duffie:
Page 23: http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-day-1.19189/page-23#post-370305
In a counter-claim against Jolt.

Duffie also made a table on page 38 that somewhat covers these claims/what has happened across the game so far:
http://escaperestart.com/forum/threads/Русская-мафия-day-1.19189/page-38

Those are all the claims that I can remember/see at the moment.

 

[Duffie]

Also at myuser's request, hear are other's like Jolts, Notty's, and Duffie's claims if you didn't look at them already (although Duffie did make a nice little table on page 38 which I think summed up stuff nicely)

Wish I had put citations in the table and noted bullets, because then it would have been perfect.

 

[Hunter]

sigh
vote jolteon

 

[Jivvi]

sigh
vote jolteon

y

 

[Hunter]

Votecount

Nottykitten (2/10) - Jolteon42, Jivvi
Jolteon42 (8/10) - Nottykitten, Duffie, Ooglie101, Tim, CaffeinatedKitty, Notme, JKangaroo, Hunter
Notme (1/10) - Aqua


Deadline: Tuesday 19 January 22:00:00 GMT

Jivvi

Wait does this confirm jolt's silence claim as fake? I don't believe Priz would request notty to stop if it was a potential game mechanic
On the other hand, if it was a bluff, I'd like to think Priz would have allowed it as it must have taken some effort to come up with that play and follow through.

But all of this is pretty much reliant on a metagaming point of view.

 

[Jivvi]

someone pointed out that it's possible priz was referring to the zalgo and not the the poem itself. the poem itself doesn't seem to relate that much to anything except notty's first name. more than the jolteon stuff i'm convinced that notty's claim has changed way too much over the course of the day to be considered valid.

 

[Hunter]

someone pointed out that it's possible priz was referring to the zalgo and not the the poem itself. the poem itself doesn't seem to relate that much to anything except notty's first name. more than the jolteon stuff i'm convinced that notty's claim has changed way too much over the course of the day to be considered valid.

This still stands. Stop with the poetry/distorted text please

edit: mariosatr Omni You can get your cheap shitposting laughs elsewhere, just don't look for them in a Mafia game.

that was me that pointed it out originally, but looking at it again, no

 

[Mooglie]

Wait does this confirm jolt's silence claim as fake?

oh my god does nobody read my posts i said this earlier pls

 

[Hunter]

oh my god does nobody read my posts i said this earlier pls

no

 

[Jivvi]

this does throw a lot of uncertainty over jolt's original poetic outburst. while i still don't like notty's claim one bit, it's pretty unlikely that that lynch will happen. at the very least jolt's flip will tell us a lot about where everyone else stands.

vote jolteon