Zambie Mafia - Day 4 - Game Over - Town Victory

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Well with Vat suggesting that, combined with his suspicious (in my opinion) behaviour already, he's also a big suspect of mine. I don't think a townie would have it in their mind, or even want to suggest, "hey if one of us gets infected, let's try to win with zombies" - it goes against your win condition. But on the other hand, I can't see why he'd say that if he was any other role either, because it's a huge risky thing to say which could easily be revealed to the rest of town (like it has done) if one of them disagreed, so I'm confused. Maybe the tracker should watch Vat tonight if we're still lynching Mars today?
 

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Well with Vat suggesting that, combined with his suspicious (in my opinion) behaviour already, he's also a big suspect of mine. I don't think a townie would have it in their mind, or even want to suggest, "hey if one of us gets infected, let's try to win with zombies" - it goes against your win condition.
Sure it's an "anti-town" statement but I'm just trying to use my inn to maximise my chances of winning, I assume winning with the zombies counts too therefore I threw it out as an idea. What would I ever get from saying that as zombie leader (there couldn't have been infections yet)?

I'm almost certain that Mars is mafia now that he's basically given up already and doesn't seem to have a defence or claim. My guess is that Mars and Ltin are mafia buddies and his timing with the inn converations was a last effort to save Mars.
 

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Sure it's an "anti-town" statement but I'm just trying to use my inn to maximise my chances of winning, I assume winning with the zombies counts too therefore I threw it out as an idea. What would I ever get from saying that as zombie leader (there couldn't have been infections yet)?

I'm almost certain that Mars is mafia now that he's basically given up already and doesn't seem to have a defence or claim. My guess is that Mars and Ltin are mafia buddies and his timing with the inn converations was a last effort to save Mars.
Why are you so suspicious of Ltin though?
 

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Why are you so suspicious of Ltin though?
I'm guessing that Ltin could be mafia buddy with Mars because of the timing of releasing the inn conversation to maybe get Mars out of trouble. It's pretty meaningless evidence that I'm bad for suggesting something "controversial" but actually a decent idea looking at win chances.

I know Ltin is not a newbie so I assume he was trying to frame me before and use the scare for zombies to shift all attention away from the mafia.

Now that Mars is almost getting lynched he suddenly remembers he should post that conversation which kinda confirms there's a good chance that Ltin is mafia because he's trying to revert to his old tactic and also save his mafia buddy with it.
 

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Now that Mars is almost getting lynched he suddenly remembers he should post that conversation which kinda confirms there's a good chance that Ltin is mafia because he's trying to revert to his old tactic and also save his mafia buddy with it.
I seem to recall Mars getting lynched long before I posted the inn convo. Also I did say I would post it a while ago. Not remembering is not that same thing as not planning (which is what you are asserting here).
 

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Votecount - The one that's really more of a reminder

Marskid - Enderfive Timdood3 Vatumok Ooglie101 Oak63 (5/8)
Ltin - Nottykitten (1/8)
Vatumok - Ltin (1/8)
Timdood3 - Marskid (1/8)
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch and 7 to no-lynch.

Deadline in 24 hours and 44 minutes
 

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Votecount - The one that should have been on time

Marskid - Enderfive Timdood3 Vatumok Ooglie101 Oak63 Dessern5 (6/8)
Ltin - Nottykitten (1/8)
Vatumok - Ltin (1/8)
Timdood3 - Marskid (1/8)

As the deadline been hit, Marskid, the Thief has been lynched! It is now night 2, please send in your actions.
Also Geekenstein is replacing Runemen4!
1. CaffeinatedKitty - Mad Scientist - Killed Night 1
2. Ooglie101
3. hipman500 - Cop - Killed Night 1
4. Ltin
5. Nottykitten
6. [Infected_alien8_
7. Enderfive
8. Oak63
9. Mulbery
10. Runemen4 - Replaced by Geekenstein
11. Timdood3
12. Faliara
13. JKangaroo
14. Vatumok
15. MarsKid - Thief - Lynched Day 1
16. Dessern5
 
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Screams echo throughout the night. As the people rush out to find them, all they find are three mangled bodies.
Nottykitten the Doctor is Dead (Attempts to prevent someone from dieing each night)
Mulbery the Detective is Dead (Can anonymously question a player during the day)
Oak63 the Oracle is Dead (Goal is to survive until end of game)
It is now Day 2! With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to no-lynch
1. CaffeinatedKitty - Mad Scientist - Killed Night 1
2. Ooglie101
3. hipman500 - Cop - Killed Night 1
4. Ltin
5. Nottykitten - Doctor - Killed Night 2
6. Infected_alien8_
7. Enderfive
8. Oak63 - Oracle - Killed Night 2
9. Mulbery - Detective - Killed Night 2
10. Runemen4 - Replaced by Geekenstein
11. Timdood3
12. Faliara
13. JKangaroo
14. Vatumok
15. MarsKid - Thief - Lynched Day 1
16. Dessern5
 
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Yes, from my inn conversation it got very clear to me that Ltin is not town. Notty was agreeing with me. Ltin had a slip where he said that he thinks Notty and I are both bad and if he's still good after the night he'll trust is more, which is a pointless statement meaning it was probably said just to look more innocent. After that I gave him the chance to prove to me he's town by asking him who he thinks the anti-town roles are. He refused to say anything about that but me for zombie, which is not helpful at all. Notty being killed must almost surely been by samurai (or maybe zombie hunter) so I don't think Ltin had a part in this.

We can't mass claim yet because zombie hunter is too important at the moment and there is no doctor to save them anymore. However, I think we should all post our thoughts regarding the zombies and mafia. I think the zombies get a infect and a kill alternating which means there are 2 zombies now and they killed either Mul or Oak this night.

My thoughts are:
Zombie
Faliara, has said things but everything was pretty useless for the conversation.
JKangaroo, I feel like he would have contributed more as a town role and is trying to lay back.

Mafia
Ltin, read first paragraph.
Dessern5, I don't think he contributed a lot and was also late to vote for Mars.
Inffy, talking too much in my opinion, he's a smart player and as town he would make less but more clearer posts.

These are partially based on my intuition and I will definitely change my mind if there's reason to believe something else. For now this is what I think. More people should post things like this.
 

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Yes, from my inn conversation it got very clear to me that Ltin is not town. Notty was agreeing with me. Ltin had a slip where he said that he thinks Notty and I are both bad and if he's still good after the night he'll trust is more, which is a pointless statement meaning it was probably said just to look more innocent. After that I gave him the chance to prove to me he's town by asking him who he thinks the anti-town roles are. He refused to say anything about that but me for zombie, which is not helpful at all. Notty being killed must almost surely been by samurai (or maybe zombie hunter) so I don't think Ltin had a part in this.
When you say Ltin said he'll trust you more if he's still "good" after the night, do you mean alive, or do you mean town-sided? And why do you consider that to be a slip? Isn't it possible he said that to try to survive as a town member, or am I missing something? And did Notty say who they were planning on visiting last night?

Also, I'm pretty sure the zombies infect up until a certain point, and then they switch to killing. I swear I read that somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong on that though.

Personally, a list of players I find most suspicious to least suspicious:

Vatumok - points on day 0 didn't make sense to me, felt like he was just trying to make sure he was saying something so as to not look suspicious. Went against a town win condition by saying him and his inn-mates should win with the zombies if one was infected.
Dessern5 - Seemed to dismiss the reasons people were voting on Mars and made an attempt at defending him, followed by a sudden vote on him which was pointless because he was going to be lynched no matter whether Dessern voted him or not because the day was almost over, and all it did was make Dessern seem one of the gang - possibly wanted to look innocent. I have a feeling he's mafia. Again.
JKangaroo - too quiet. Holding back. Also, usually I agree with a lot of what he writes and he makes a lot of strong points, but he hasn't this game. I think he's playing it a bit too careful.
Geekenstein - Said nothing (Rune) so automatically suspect.
Timdood3 - I'm on the fence with tim. On one hand, I kind of townread him. But on the other, and this might just be my un-trusting nature, but I can't shake the feeling off that this was an attempt at manipulating me towards being on his side:

2.2) When you were first put under suspicion is in this case irrelevant, but I will say this (though it gives little to no additional credit to the argument): When Infy has a light vibe on someone, he's usually right.
Ooglie101 - He vibes town but hasn't really said much so it's hard to tell.
Faliara - Again, vibes town, but hard to tell.
Ltin - I get a town vibe from him. Vat's point against him are interesting, but unfortunately now that Notty is dead, we can't know whether what was said was correct or not. Maybe Vat killed notty for this reason actually. Vatumok, why are you so sure Notty was killed by samurai?
Enderfive - I agree with basically everything he's said so nothing suspicious from him, he vibes town too in my opinion.

Vatumok I agree I've been talkative this game, but it's mostly because it's very quiet and I'm trying to keep things moving. I'd usually probably contribute every now and then with longer, clearer posts on my thoughts but it's just not happening this game, much like it wasn't last game (when I was town-sided [well, I was third party until day 2, and then I was town-sided], so I don't think this automatically makes me mafia). Just my mindset I suppose.
 

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Ltin had a slip where he said that he thinks Notty and I are both bad and if he's still good after the night he'll trust is more, which is a pointless statement meaning it was probably said just to look more innocent.
I addressed that before you ever did (as in right away). You can't hold it against me.
He refused to say anything
Saying i don't have any other suspicions is not the same thing as refusing to say anything.


Notty being killed must almost surely been by samurai (or maybe zombie hunter) so I don't think Ltin had a part in this.
What makes you so sure?

I think the zombies get a infect and a kill alternating which means there are 2 zombies now and they killed either Mul or Oak this night.
I think its a sort of proportion thing. The more zombies there are as compared to the rest of the players, the more likely they will kill.

The fact that notty did not die a zombie kinda makes me believe vat isn't zombie leader anymore.
Unless he KILLED HER (dun dun dun)
is only joke
 

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Alright so the reasoning behind my vote on Mars was mostly to just speed the day along because it still did have a wait, so in a sense it was a bandwagon jump. However a fairly large amount of it was me finding it very suspicious that he wouldn't even attempt to claim a role in a sense to save himself, meaning he was pretty much lining up at the noose from my point of view.

As far as my defense for him went, I had been fairly inactive throughout that time and misunderstood the route of the argument against him thinking that it was due to a miscommunication in words not due to actual suspicions people were having. I thought that the main arguments against him were that he just sounded shifty.

As far was zombies go. I think it's safe to assume that there are two people who are zombies now out of all the remaining players. I also think that we can assume one more person was infected last night so there are probably going to be three tomorrow. We need to try to get these zombies out fairly quickly because they will outnumber us very soon.

And for mafia, we know there are three of them remaining, unless there is a obscure role upon death role but I would need to lookup the roles again. Right now mafia is the bigger threat but the zombies will definitely outnumber them soon so we need to try to eliminate both parties fairly quickly.

Refresh my memory on this though, the blacksmith still is alive right? So they should have a gun or armour made by now that can be used.
 
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