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Mooglie
The Local Cow
i dont think thats tracking in the right context?
i think tracking in zombie hunter role just means following them to see if theyre a zombie or not (and then check next night for results)
but yeah that seems awfully underpowered to have a role that needs 2 nights to check if a person is a zombie at one point in the game
Mooglie
The Local Cow
no as in like this scenario
N1 scenario 1: -track person A (to see if a zombie)
- kill someone
N2 scenario 1: -collect results from person A (to see if a zombie)
- kill someone
- choose someone else to track and just leave results from person A hanging?
N1 scenario 2: -track nobody
- kill someone
N1 scenario 2: -track someone
-kill someone
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Hm okay.
So ltin is proven not zombie but could be zombie in the future so I guess that's not super useful.
Mafia prob won't kill fali then since she can kill the zombies for them?
I feel like town is so doomed though because zombies so OP
So ltin is proven not zombie but could be zombie in the future so I guess that's not super useful.
Mafia prob won't kill fali then since she can kill the zombies for them?
I feel like town is so doomed though because zombies so OP
Almost a whole page of everyone raguing over what Fali's role does?
Instead of waiting for her to wake up?
Geez, guys, relax.
Err...Given the context....I'm going to assume that you meant "And you/we assume he's mafia."
I'm not going to go nuts over this, because that would be dumb, but it'd feel wrong for me to just not mention it. So, is this what you meant and what was (/do you have) your reason for phrasing it that way?
Instead of waiting for her to wake up?
Geez, guys, relax.
Err...Given the context....I'm going to assume that you meant "And you/we assume he's mafia."
I'm not going to go nuts over this, because that would be dumb, but it'd feel wrong for me to just not mention it. So, is this what you meant and what was (/do you have) your reason for phrasing it that way?
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Yeah that's what I meant, I just worded it wrong.
Also I'm a super saddo who was thinking about Ender in bed last night (mafia related not anything weird) and this post kept coming to mind:
Does this post not stick out to anyone else as just so...off? I don't know it just seems like a quick dismissal like a fast movement to swat a fly saying "get off me" (I swear I'm not on drugs). Okay that doesn't explain it well but basically it doesn't feel like Ender. Usually I like to think of Ender's posts as all being super reasonable and thought out but here he just defends and argument against him by saying someone's "overexcited" which I don't think makes any sense and it just...really seems off. And bringing up the inn theory feels like a "look guys he was wrong before he's wrong about this" but in a less townie way. I don't know maybe I'm just off my rocker but just thought I'd mention it. Especially since fali is zombie hunter a part of me wants to vote Ender but a part of me knows it'll probably lead to my own demise plus it seems unfair to try to lynch Ender based on vibes and how I read his posts but if nothing else comes up I might just place my vote on him.
And Ender I apologize in advance if you're town.
Also Merry Christmas everyone!
Um, Infy? ... I'm pretty sure that's just Endy trying to give advice; it's not just me bandwagoning this time, I swear. Your reasoning while you were questioning me last night felt increasingly bizzare; I do enjoy roleplaying a bit too much at times and would want to act out a role I'm given, so I stomped on my confusion at first, but... Yeah. I honestly see where Endy's coming from. You can take my word with a grain of salt, of course- who knows? It could just be the frustration of being accused, for all I know. But, uh... If I were to go on gut instinct, not trying to check and re-check if my judgement's being influenced by bias or if I'm really being a hypocrite in some way... Your arguments are sounding unreasonable, to my ears. Not at first, but after a while, no matter which way I look at it, your questions felt weird.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
I don't think he was giving advice, he was defending himself by things that I don't think make sense. He said/implied my reason for suspicion on him was being blinded by excitement of finding a scum, which doesn't make sense because the reason I thought he was scum was because of my reason for suspicion. The reason for suspicion came first before I believed he was scum obviously, so how could I be making up reasons because of excitement of finding scum if I didn't think he was scum until my reasons happened? Also my argument was a vibe yet he told me to make sure my arguments were solid and that I expose the flaws in them, but if it's a vibe then surely there can be no flaws. I think it was just an attempt at deflecting suspicion by acting as if I didn't know what I was talking about.
And my questions to you weren't an argument, I was asking you questions purely for the sake of getting you to talk. I wasn't implying I had suspicion on you or anything during the questions- in fact I think your behaviour has town-told a lot and I think I said so earlier on, the only reason I voted you was because I thought it was a reasonable assumption that you had been marked for conversion into a zombie (which is obviously not the case since you can't be). My argument has nothing to do with what I asked you, my argument is simply that I think Ender isn't acting as Ender, I think his tone completely changed when he was accused and I read panic in his posts, and maybe that's just me looking into things but it's just what I think, hence my suspicion.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
This is getting increasingly frustrating.
To clear up a misunderstanding first: when I said that you were probably just overexcited at the prospect of finding scum, I didn't mean that you invented the suspicion out of thin air. What I meant was that you noticed that I didn't bother with proper grammar in the post where I explained why I was going after another possible mafioso. You thought it was strange because you didn't remember or know that I simply tend to switch around my typing a bit, and so you started to have suspicions that I did it on purpose, to seem relaxed, in order to diffuse the suspicions. Once you had those suspicions, everything I said started to carry those suspicions in your eyes, because that was the only angle from which you were looking at things. That's what I think happened and that's why I think you're so hung up on me right now, because I'm stuck in a catch-22 where no matter what I say or how I say it or if I say it at all, you're still going to take it as further proof of my guilt.
Now, when it comes to the actual suspicion itself, then I'm sorry, but you don't have an argument I can respond to. Your reason for suspecting me is that I changed tone to something completely unlike me when I was suspected, right? Leaving aside my own opinion of that not being so at all, you can't expect me to write an essay detailing how I'm innocent when the only things brought against me are the fact that I'm trying to lynch someone who I think is mafia and the fact that you have vibes against me. The first part is easily explained, which is why I didn't bother with a thousand-word analysis and didn't really feel threatened by it, and the second part is so subjective and unexplainable that there is nothing reasonable and thought out for me to respond with. If you expect me to post a full analysis of why and how your vibes are wrong, then you're going to be sorely disappointed, because in order to be able to refute the logic used against me, there has to be logic being used against me in the first place.
I've done what I have been able to do, which is to offer my side of the story. Unfortunately, I am unable to make you consider that your vibes may actually not be true - that burden lies only on you.
Despite some people probably viewing it as an omgus, I also want to raise an eyebrow at how apologetic in advance you suddenly are for voting me, just after Fali voices her disbelief in your suspicion against me and Tim is asking questions about a possible mafioso slip, all while you're ignoring a possible mafia member in favour of lynching someone who you admit has been actively helping town, but think might be a zombie based on nothing but your vibes and the fact that you seem to think I'm a superhuman logic machine. Friendly tip: I'm not.
To clear up a misunderstanding first: when I said that you were probably just overexcited at the prospect of finding scum, I didn't mean that you invented the suspicion out of thin air. What I meant was that you noticed that I didn't bother with proper grammar in the post where I explained why I was going after another possible mafioso. You thought it was strange because you didn't remember or know that I simply tend to switch around my typing a bit, and so you started to have suspicions that I did it on purpose, to seem relaxed, in order to diffuse the suspicions. Once you had those suspicions, everything I said started to carry those suspicions in your eyes, because that was the only angle from which you were looking at things. That's what I think happened and that's why I think you're so hung up on me right now, because I'm stuck in a catch-22 where no matter what I say or how I say it or if I say it at all, you're still going to take it as further proof of my guilt.
Now, when it comes to the actual suspicion itself, then I'm sorry, but you don't have an argument I can respond to. Your reason for suspecting me is that I changed tone to something completely unlike me when I was suspected, right? Leaving aside my own opinion of that not being so at all, you can't expect me to write an essay detailing how I'm innocent when the only things brought against me are the fact that I'm trying to lynch someone who I think is mafia and the fact that you have vibes against me. The first part is easily explained, which is why I didn't bother with a thousand-word analysis and didn't really feel threatened by it, and the second part is so subjective and unexplainable that there is nothing reasonable and thought out for me to respond with. If you expect me to post a full analysis of why and how your vibes are wrong, then you're going to be sorely disappointed, because in order to be able to refute the logic used against me, there has to be logic being used against me in the first place.
I've done what I have been able to do, which is to offer my side of the story. Unfortunately, I am unable to make you consider that your vibes may actually not be true - that burden lies only on you.
Despite some people probably viewing it as an omgus, I also want to raise an eyebrow at how apologetic in advance you suddenly are for voting me, just after Fali voices her disbelief in your suspicion against me and Tim is asking questions about a possible mafioso slip, all while you're ignoring a possible mafia member in favour of lynching someone who you admit has been actively helping town, but think might be a zombie based on nothing but your vibes and the fact that you seem to think I'm a superhuman logic machine. Friendly tip: I'm not.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I'm obviously unsure as to if this is what is happened, and don't get me wrong, I have thought of this possibility (it also happened with Jkangaroo last game where everything he said I saw under suspicious lens and he ended up being the cop), but since if this is happening it's subconscious and out of my control I can't help that. But I don't think it is that - I think you're just acting very slightly off in the tone of your posts and I can't explain how or why but it's something I can't help but think. Whether this is wrong or not or if this is caused by my initial suspicion carrying over or not I can't say but since I've considered the possibility of this and still find you suspicious after reading with fresh eyes, I'm still carrying on with my gut.
I've never expected you to defend yourself from my vibes - how could you? I don't think I've once even implied that I required a defence. I'm not after a defence, I'm just spitting out my thoughts, something you yourself hoped for people to do previously in the game:
I know you can't defend yourself from something as subjective and irrational as my vibes, and I know it must suck for you for me to be targeting you like this, but it's only a similar thing to what you yourself seemed to do with mars, analysing his every post in terms of his viewpoint being the viewpoing of anti-town because that's what you thought he was. There are no other leads. Yes, we could go for Dess or Geek or someone else I think is likely mafia but if we do then town is going to lose because we need to kill a zombie, and both my gut and my reason of "zombies will infect least suspicious people" point towards you. So I'm looking at you right now. And I have considered many times that my vibes may not be true, if I hadn't I'd be voting you right now, and I wouldn't have said so many times that they're probably wrong, but from my perspective it's the best shot at my side winning because killing a mafia just seems useless at this point in the game.
Why does me being apologetic in advance of voting you make me suspicious? And now you're putting words in my mouth, I've never said I think you're a superhuman logic machine nor have I implied it (or meant to), and I have never based any of my suspicions based on my opinion of you being a "superhuman logic machine" so I'm very confused as to where this and your previous points about me expecting an argument came from.
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