I have a few reasons I'm suspicious of Inffy (pretty much the only person I'm having a hard time taking seriously right now), so I'll just put them out here and hopefully get a few responses on this. This quote was from a while ago,
Infected_alien8_ , but can you explain this?
You talked about how if you were mafia, you wouldn't care to waste the N1 kill on hip even if you thought hip was the cultist. You kinda made it seem like it's common sense, but I'm not sure if I can follow up on that.
Well, as far as I can tell, the cultists are not a threat to the mafia, in fact if the cult culted a mafia, the mafia could use that to their advantage by blackmailing the cult leader to help the mafia or kill him, which is why I made the point that if I thought hip was cult, I wouldn't kill him as mafia and waste it on someone who isn't very vocal or influential to town.
Plus, the only response that you gave was this:
which was in response to iggy's post, which honestly isn't very helpful and all. And this:
which really just reinforces the view that you were mafia and you killed hip because you thought he acted differently, and might've seemed like some sort of threat to your mafia eyes. I mean, it could be just you justifying your incorrect judgment, but the text in parentheses seems to suggest otherwise from the way you phrase it, so I'm conflicted.
I didn't just think he was acting 'differently', he was, in my opinion, acting in the same way he acted when he was mafia last time, and using behavior that he'd previously described to me when we discussed how he felt about being different mafia roles. I mean I could pull up some discord quotes but pretty sure that's illegal so not going to do it. So hip's behavior wasn't that I thought he was acting like a non-vanilla-townie, it was that I thought he was acting like mafia, which obviously you can't know whether to believe or not, but from my perspective that means it wouldn't make sense for me to kill him as mafia - I'd know he wasn't one of my squad so I'd know that my vibes were obviously wrong, or he was a cultist, in which case I wouldn't waste the kill on him because as I said, cult isn't a threat to the mafia really. I'd go for someone who could put someone else under suspicion or someone who I thought could be a PR or someone who I thought would be influential for town. Also, like you've actually figured out yourself (I meant to post this ages ago but forgot), all of this theorizing relies on the fact that the WHOLE mafia team went with exactly what I wanted and when benefited me, which is obviously unlikely, and if that's the case, that means the mafia want to protect me in particular, which also doesn't make sense considering most people have some form of suspicion on me and several people (as you've said, probably mafia included) are pushing a lynch on me.
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Okay, with that out of the way, I just want to do a quick apology for being a big aggressive earlier. I'd had a bad morning and as you can see I brought it with me into the mafia game, which I should not have done, and it won't happen again. I'm sorry if I upset anyone or ruined the fun or anything, and I know people are naturally suspicious since it's uncharacteristic of me to get aggressive but I'm a human being and sometimes I get moody and I'm sorry about that but yeah, this is what I have to say to it.
Now, after having a bit of a break to think, I've decided not to panic too much. I mean, turns out there's no deadline, and the votes on me right now are essentially,
1) you made a joke,
2) gut feeling,
3) your name stood out to me + you got annoyed when people voted you for no reason, 4) - no reason - and
5) - no reason -, so hopefully I don't need to worry.
Hopefully.
Anyway, before more people hop on the lynch inf train, I'd just like to ask them to consider what I've actually done that is suspicious enough for them to want to vote me. Because out of all the reasons people have been using to vote for me so far, none of them have been particularly valid (in my opinion but obviously I'm biased) and there are many points that go against others that some people (
cough the people voting me
cough) are clearly ignoring, and for a reason.
My suspicions right now are Ender, HK, Aqua and Oak. I'm still waiting for Sam to post, Mulb's points against me seemed recycled and the Igg/TWG thing interests me, but these four people are my main suspicions. First, let me talk about Ender. Ender is the person I consider to be the most 'objectively speaking' suspicious, tied with Oak, and by that I mean, he has the most evidence against him (y'know that thing that nobody has on me <3). And he's probably going to call this omgus or whatever the term is, which I think means that I'm putting suspicion on him just because he put it on me, which I don't think makes sense because why would I do that as town OR mafia? As town I'm scumhunting so this would be a bad play and as mafia I'd want to get Ender to unvote me so why would I go after him? But whatever, he'll say what he likes, and you'll think what you like.
So let me explain why I am suspicious of
Ender.
So what has Ender done? Why are you suspicious of him master inffy of all great knowledge and power? Well, my child...
1) He's made contradictions, changing his mind on fundamental things about the game when convenient for him to do so.
Remember when Ender said that he'd be happy to unvote me if I gave reasoning on someone else which wasn't just about playstyle?
i mean, i have made it pretty obvious that i don't particularly believe the things i say, i just can't think of anything more plausible either
as for why you, your name was simply the one that popped out the most
if you can come up with an actual suspicion on someone that isn't based on their playstyle, i might reconsider, but most of this game has been either memeing or people voting with the shittiest reasonings, or not giving reasons at all, so you'll have to forgive me if my scumradar is not working properly
This implies that Ender thinks points about playstyle are unreliable/invalid. Anyone remember when Ender said he town-read caff because of their playstyle?
I'm townreading Caff and Unu right now. Caff is being calm as usual
Yeah, interesting isn't it. And it can't be that he just thinks playstyle arguments are too thin to lynch someone on, because, as we've seen before our eyes this game, he clearly does not have any limit when it comes to what is too thin to lynch someone. He's lynched an AFK and then voted someone (me) for popping into his head more than other names.
i mean, i have made it pretty obvious that i don't particularly believe the things i say, i just can't think of anything more plausible either
as for why you, your name was simply the one that popped out the most
if you can come up with an actual suspicion on someone that isn't based on their playstyle, i might reconsider, but most of this game has been either memeing or people voting with the shittiest reasonings, or not giving reasons at all, so you'll have to forgive me if my scumradar is not working properly
So yeah, a contradiction. So why would he make this contradiction? He must want me lynched pretty badly if he's willing to change his entire view on what is good enough reason to lynch someone, just for one post to justify his vote on me, before changing it back again. So why does he want me dead so badly?
2) He's voted me twice now...both times were after I had just pushed on HK. (pg 8 for the first time, pg 19 for the second) Ender even told he that he wasn't suspicious of me anymore:
you missed my suspicion on samlen from day 0 and i'd say you can remove the arrow going from me to you for now, if you're only counting current suspicions
...until I said this:
where I'm at is, I'm very much leaning towards voting HK, and if nothing else comes up soon, I will be placing my vote on him, since he's still currently my #1 suspect.
And then the next morning he voted me.
Now I've already said many many times how I am convinced that HKCaper is a piece of mafia scum, hence his absolutely drastic personality switch from last game to this game. To put it simply, last game he was cute, this game he isn't. (No offence <3) So I find it interesting how, after I've pushed for a HK lynch, Ender decided he had a good reason to vote me. Except both times, they weren't good reasons at all. The first time was because I agreed with people or something, and he made some points that I essentially broke down and then he came back with "yes they're bad but I've got nothing else", (pages 8-10) and then when that lynch didn't gain any traction he proposed we lynch the AFK who wasn't able to defend themselves instead (yes how townie of him).
Then the second time he voted me was after he'd come up with an idea for who the mafia were based on voting patterns, then chose me out of the list of people because my name stood out the most, despite there being someone on that list of mafia members of his who voted jivvi, and previously in the day he said we should look for mafia in those that bandwagon'd jivvi.
Why I wanted a lynch instead of a modkill - you can't analyse modkills for player behaviour, but you can analyse lynches. I personally gave my reasons, but a lot of the lynchers last day didn't, and I'm pretty sure there's bound to be at least a few mafia in there going along with an easy lynch, so that's where I'd start looking.
So obviously, I'm feeling a little targeted, and when I ask him 'why me', he tells me that although he doesn't actually believe the things he says, he's voting me because there's no one else he finds suspicious enough to lynch.
i mean, i have made it pretty obvious that i don't particularly believe the things i say, i just can't think of anything more plausible either
as for why you, your name was simply the one that popped out the most
if you can come up with an actual suspicion on someone that isn't based on their playstyle, i might reconsider, but most of this game has been either memeing or people voting with the shittiest reasonings, or not giving reasons at all, so you'll have to forgive me if my scumradar is not working properly
...Ummm what about the other person on the list who also voted jivvi? What about igg/TWG, who you had said you were looking forward to reading the posts of? What about the lurkers of the game who contributed nothing? Not saying any of these people deserve to be lynched, but Ender was apparently choosing to completely ignore all those other points and go with me instead. It makes no sense. And then when I get annoyed at him and oak for voting me for no reason, he justifies his vote further by saying I'm reacting oddly. I mean, in my defense I get told I act oddly all the time but in fairness I can see why people might find me suspicious after I went a bit aggressive, but I find it interesting how despite myself bringing up valid points about several others (aqua, mulb) and unusual_dood pointing out things with igg, points that he obviously had no issue with (because he never argued with my points, and he even looked forward to to the thing with igg), he still went for me.
To me, it's becoming more and more clear that he's trying to get me lynched, and I assume this is because 1) I'm an active member of town so doc is possibly going to be on me at night if they town-read me so to kill me off would require a lynch, 2) because it's a well-known fact that I'm not a very difficult person to find suspicious because I come across badly a lot, 3) because I am the only person pushing on HK, who is probably his mafia buddy who he is trying to defend. It makes sense. He's probably going to say I'm saying this now because he's voting me, but I'm saying this now because now it's becoming more and more clear to me that he's acting like scum, because of his recent actions. Obviously I could be wrong, and I'd be interested to hear his arguments back.
So there are my points about Ender. Next,
Oak. Oak is another person who I consider to be 'objectively scummy'. What's oak done inf? Well, that's just it. What has he done? He's basically lurked the entire game. He's outed 0 suspicions, except (presumably) for me, and I say presumably because his vote was so out of nowhere that I have no idea if he even is suspicious of me or not.
Alright well to start off with I'm going to say this first and I have to repeat myself again from now on you will be getting a vote from me.
Voting someone based on how they have played in previous games is meta and you should not, nor should you ever count it as serious evidence. People using it as the basis of their vote need to understand that people can change the way they play. If you really understand a person that well, then it shouldn't be difficult for you to actually find something they have done wrong and vote for them based on that.
Right, rant over.
At this point a lot of stuff has and hasn't happened, personally I feel like most of it is irrelevant, yes there have been a lot of people spouting who they think is suspicious who is connected to who etc. etc. but the issue is that ultimately, we've had all this talk and yet we haven't gotten anything out of it. Just a whole bunch of circlejerking. So let's fix that by starting at the worst offender.
vote Infected_Alien
He seemed to say that the reason he was voting me was because I was doing the most talking? I'm still waiting for him to clarify, but the point is, he's lurked, done nothing useful, and then jumped on what he probably saw as an easy bandwagon to get a talkative town member killed, how clever of him. He's suspicious. That is fact, I'm pretty sure. Like, there's no way you can argue that his vote on me was not suspicious, and if you can I'll be amazed.
Next up,
Aqua. What's Aqua done? Well, for one, he freakin' slipped.
Am I the only one who thinks this is inf trying to justify his night killing hip?
It seems he's trying to convince himself he was right in
my actions, but then adding the latter part to seem innocent. Maybe I'm overthinking it or it's just worded shit (since inf has a tendency to do so), eitherway it seems pretty suspicious to me
Enderfive analyse it for me bebe
And yes, I do think it was a slip, the more I think about the other stuff he's done. He also contradicted himself twice, once by voting jivvi after saying he wanted to only vote for suspicious people, and then when he changed from being solidly against me to realizing his points were dumb right after Ender said they were.
not saying he's not scum, not saying he is scum, just saying that he did answer (albeit shittily) your question about voting you
I'm back, the slip up was me just waking up and being tired so saying my instead of your or w/e. The suspicions pretty dumb now that I look back at it, but I'm busy atm so I cba to read back your questions and shit. Just ignore the point if you think it's dumb.
Suspicious, I think so.
Finally, we have
HKCool, who, essentially, used to be cute last game as town and now isn't, which has me, oog and fog noticing his drastic change of personality, and which has me thinking the reason for this is that he has a drastically changed win condition this game (aka he's mafia). This could be wrong and I acknowledge there are many reasons as to why HKCool might have changed his personality (banged his head perhaps?) but my gut is reliable for me so I'm using it to be suspicious of him.
So. There are my main suspicions currently. 4 people, each with solid, valid points made against them. So now I ask that, when you're deciding whether you want to join the lynch inf train, consider who you, yes you, not other people, you, find the most suspicious. Compare these people, with these points against them, to me. I know I'm biased but objectively speaking I'd say the only valid point is that I acted aggressively when I was voted, which I've already explained but you will choose whether to believe me or not I guess. And Ender, if you are town, here is your excuse to vote someone else who actually might be mafia rather than me because you have noone better to go for.
I encourage people to respond to this. Talk to me. Ask me to clarify, argue with me, just please think about this instead of blindly sheeping along and voting me because I'm telling you now, I'm town, and what happened to jivvi is essentially happening to me but flipped (afk vs super active). Obviously your vote is your choice but this is my attempt at steering the game in another, better direction (because I'll be alive wow how great). I've said my piece, do what you will. For now I refrain from voting since I'd like this day to go on longer before we all vote; there are several discussions that still need to happen and I want to see them before I make my final decision.
Sorry for the huge post, but if you were surprised, then clearly you don't know me very well at all. And yes I know I'm coming across weird, go away.
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