CAPITALISM MAFIA
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Infected_alien8_
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Reasons I think HK is autocrat:
He seems to be playing more carefully this game
He seemed to get really triggered when I put suspicion on him, more so than I would expect if he was town
And HKCaper can you answer my oak question pls since you're online for a while now, not sure if you're formulating a response but just in case I thought I'd tag you
He seems to be playing more carefully this game
He seemed to get really triggered when I put suspicion on him, more so than I would expect if he was town
And HKCaper can you answer my oak question pls since you're online for a while now, not sure if you're formulating a response but just in case I thought I'd tag you
What do you think of Oak? Seems like an okay fellow.
Is he suspicious? KindaWell I don't find him that suspicious, besides maybe the way he responded to accusations from paige yesterday (but then again if he is really a vanilla townie and people are making stuff up I'd understand it). What I found suspcious is his pick Ajit Pai, in my eyes it just does not really fit in with the other politicians.
Why? Well I don't find him that suspicious, besides maybe the way he responded to accusations from paige yesterday (but then again if he is really a vanilla townie and people are making stuff up I'd understand it). What I found suspcious is his pick Ajit Pai, in my eyes it just does not really fit in with the other politicians.
Would you be willing to lynch him?
While I'm not sure if he is scum or not, since my suspicions mostly comes from me finding Ajit Pai a weird claim, out of the ones left I would be okay with voting him. Mainly because of the people left I either dont really have much of a read (Erik, Moog, TWG), or I trust them more than Oak (Paige, Notty, Vatu). That leaves inffy (and Ender), who I still find to play a little bit unusual this game, but Paige seems to trust him, so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
I also wanted to respond to what else Inffy said in his latets posts (no seperate posts this time deal with al at once.
I can't deny I have been playing a bit more careful this game (iggy mentioned it and now you, and I agree). However I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Last few games I died early on, mosly because I went into discussion with little restraints. Hence i wanted to try a more laidback approach this game, but not an inactive one. I'd argue i've still contributed to convos quite a bit (more than some who are still alive). I guess it's up to you how you interpret that.
Well then the second argument. You say i seemed really triggered in my convo with you some time ago. Well maybe it seemed that way because i was triggered. I'd like to explain why. There have been three convos this game that 'triggered' me you could say (yours being the third). First Aqua called me out after I made that post pointing out some suspicious things he said in your discussion with him. I found that a bit extreme, while i did make some mistakes in the post, the general point was accurate, and I corrected most mistakes after they got pointed out. Then a day later Iggish unjustly calls me out, which drags on for a bit till the point i got quite triggered, till he makes a post acknowleding he made a mistake. THAN LAST you start that thing with me, where you questioned why i took so long to reply about your Rune question (which btw if you remember you posted while i was in the middle of my final iggish post), and continue to call me out for LYING about things i was doing in real life. I'd say i had plenty of reason to be triggered at that point. I guess this also adds a bit to my more careful playstyle since after those 3 convos i kinda had enough of discussion in mafia for the remainder of that day.
I hope that clears things up a bit. as always feel free to reply/disagree (just dont trigger me again inffy, pls)
Is he suspicious? KindaWell I don't find him that suspicious, besides maybe the way he responded to accusations from paige yesterday (but then again if he is really a vanilla townie and people are making stuff up I'd understand it). What I found suspcious is his pick Ajit Pai, in my eyes it just does not really fit in with the other politicians.
Why? Well I don't find him that suspicious, besides maybe the way he responded to accusations from paige yesterday (but then again if he is really a vanilla townie and people are making stuff up I'd understand it). What I found suspcious is his pick Ajit Pai, in my eyes it just does not really fit in with the other politicians.
Would you be willing to lynch him?
While I'm not sure if he is scum or not, since my suspicions mostly comes from me finding Ajit Pai a weird claim, out of the ones left I would be okay with voting him. Mainly because of the people left I either dont really have much of a read (Erik, Moog, TWG), or I trust them more than Oak (Paige, Notty, Vatu). That leaves inffy (and Ender), who I still find to play a little bit unusual this game, but Paige seems to trust him, so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
I also wanted to respond to what else Inffy said in his latets posts (no seperate posts this time deal with al at once.
Similair to Notty you also deem me likely to be autocrat. You thinking it is fine by me, seeing how this does not really bring me at a disadvantage. Why? If you decide to lynch me later on, and town ends up winning, as long as the actual autocrat dies along the way (perhaps killed by mafia or sk), i'd still win. I decided to still adress it since i want to mostly comment on that second argument.
I can't deny I have been playing a bit more careful this game (iggy mentioned it and now you, and I agree). However I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Last few games I died early on, mosly because I went into discussion with little restraints. Hence i wanted to try a more laidback approach this game, but not an inactive one. I'd argue i've still contributed to convos quite a bit (more than some who are still alive). I guess it's up to you how you interpret that.
Well then the second argument. You say i seemed really triggered in my convo with you some time ago. Well maybe it seemed that way because i was triggered. I'd like to explain why. There have been three convos this game that 'triggered' me you could say (yours being the third). First Aqua called me out after I made that post pointing out some suspicious things he said in your discussion with him. I found that a bit extreme, while i did make some mistakes in the post, the general point was accurate, and I corrected most mistakes after they got pointed out. Then a day later Iggish unjustly calls me out, which drags on for a bit till the point i got quite triggered, till he makes a post acknowleding he made a mistake. THAN LAST you start that thing with me, where you questioned why i took so long to reply about your Rune question (which btw if you remember you posted while i was in the middle of my final iggish post), and continue to call me out for LYING about things i was doing in real life. I'd say i had plenty of reason to be triggered at that point. I guess this also adds a bit to my more careful playstyle since after those 3 convos i kinda had enough of discussion in mafia for the remainder of that day.
I hope that clears things up a bit. as always feel free to reply/disagree (just dont trigger me again inffy, pls)
Okay so, there was a godfather in the game which means there is a cop role. Because of this webpaige is cleared. She says Inffy is innocent but I'm not 100% sure what that means, all it says to me for certain is that Inffy is not mafia (autocrat maybe turns up town or inno). That leaves HK, Notty, erik, Oog and Oak and TWG. I think it's fair to assume 3 of them are danger to town. Personally HK's claim seems legit and fit in with the rest, as does TWG's. IMO that leaves Oog, erik as mafia with Oak or notty as a SK type of role. The way Oak played today was a bit weird but didn't come over as scum really.
Any opinions on this?
Any opinions on this?
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I agree with the Mafia picks which is why I think we should be lynching Oog. If everyone took a moment to try and figure out who they think the 2 Mafia and 1 SK could be, I don't think anyone really can really deny that Oog/Erik are prime lynch targets for today.
Let's not forget out of all Australians 4/5 are still alive, of which 1 is pretty much cleared(Web). Are we going to pretend there are 0 anti-town within the Australian pool? We should be lynching an Australian for that very reason. And assuming Weak is also innocent(I still think he has a Vig type of thing how else were there 3 kills last night when everyone else claimed vanilla, please just confirm what your ability is TheWeakGuy48_ ), that leaves both Oog/Erik to be extremely likely to not be town.
I still think there's a fairly high chance you are a SK role or the autocrat notty, but I doubt you are mafia so for now I'm willing to go with your vote on Ooglie. I'm fairly certain Ooglie is scum, erik is a bit more complicated situation but I'm pretty sure he is another remaining mafia. There could be a third but it seems unlikely atm.
vote Ooglie
vote Ooglie
I had a very important thought that I'd like to get out before a final lynch
Could everyone answer:
Who you think is most likely to be mafia
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat
Which of the above do you prefer to target today
How strong is this preference
I'd very much like to take a look at these answers
Could everyone answer:
Who you think is most likely to be mafia
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat
Which of the above do you prefer to target today
How strong is this preference
I'd very much like to take a look at these answers
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Who you think is most likely to be mafia: Oog and Erik
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer: Inf unless you're the cop then Oak/Vat
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat: Hk/Oak
Which of the above do you prefer to target today: Mafia since I'm confident about Oog and not 100% entirely sure on the rest.
How strong is this preference: Using a sophisticated and completely understandable and logical grading system I'm gonna give it a B++
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer: Inf unless you're the cop then Oak/Vat
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat: Hk/Oak
Which of the above do you prefer to target today: Mafia since I'm confident about Oog and not 100% entirely sure on the rest.
How strong is this preference: Using a sophisticated and completely understandable and logical grading system I'm gonna give it a B++
Who you think is most likely to be mafia: Ooglie and erik
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer: notty (maybe Oak or HK)
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat: Inffy/notty
Which of the above do you prefer to target today: Ooglie seems pretty certain to give us a scum kill
How strong is this preference: Not extremely strong but I don't have a better idea atm.
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer: notty (maybe Oak or HK)
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat: Inffy/notty
Which of the above do you prefer to target today: Ooglie seems pretty certain to give us a scum kill
How strong is this preference: Not extremely strong but I don't have a better idea atm.
I agree it is likely there are some scum among the living australians. Since I trust paige, and trust TWG over Moog and Erik, there's a big chance both or at least one is scum. I don't have a specific read on them for SK or mafia thought, in my eyes it could be either one. I also feel there is a slight chance Vatu is mafia, but ye that's still only based of the fact that he is Teresa May. While paige trusts inffy, my vibes still say something is off, so he might be autocrat.
Who you think is most likely to be mafia Moog/Erik(/Vatu)
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer Oak/ Moog / Erik
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat Oak/Inffy
Which of the above do you prefer to target today Well I'd prefer Moog over Erik (since i find it more likely Tony Abbott is scum), but i'm not sure about Oak or Moog. Moog is likely to be scum based on statistics, but I find Oak's claim more suspicious. Then again, Oak could also be the autocrat in my eyes, which isn't the biggest thread rn. So i think i'm leaning towards a Moog lynch over an Oak lynch.
How strong is this preference
Well there isn't anyone else more likely to be scum than these two in my eyes.
would be nice to also get answers from the australians themselves though.
Who you think is most likely to be mafia Moog/Erik(/Vatu)
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer Oak/ Moog / Erik
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat Oak/Inffy
Which of the above do you prefer to target today Well I'd prefer Moog over Erik (since i find it more likely Tony Abbott is scum), but i'm not sure about Oak or Moog. Moog is likely to be scum based on statistics, but I find Oak's claim more suspicious. Then again, Oak could also be the autocrat in my eyes, which isn't the biggest thread rn. So i think i'm leaning towards a Moog lynch over an Oak lynch.
How strong is this preference
Well there isn't anyone else more likely to be scum than these two in my eyes.
would be nice to also get answers from the australians themselves though.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Why are people assuming there is mafia in Australia I don't understand
The game is Capitalism Mafia
Both Mafia so far have been American
None of the other countries (Ireland, Canada) have had Mafia in it
Vat, you're supposedly from UK so if you're inno, then UK also is proven to be all innocent
So why does Australia has Mafia when America is the Capitalist country and the Mafia were all from America
Why are we lynching based on country when we have 0 reason to think that it matters
After all, Comp/Rune were just vanilla town yet they were in their own country, I don't think Jivvi designed this game to be spread out across different countries or have them hold much significance
I can see how the SK/Autocrat might be Australian though since I can see oog/erik/twg being one of those but after all this time I don't get why people are looking for design to give them direction in this game
Who you think is most likely to be mafia: Oak, then either Notty, Vat, HK or TWG. Possibly oog. Possibly erik. Who knows. But my main suspicion is Oak.
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer: Oog/erik/hk/twg/vat, dunno tbh
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat: HK/oog/twg
Which of the above do you prefer to target today: Oak
How strong is this preference: Fairly strong because he's the only one I have a strong feeling about being scum, regardless of the type of scum he is. But I can see why oog/erik may be a candidate for lynching and I guess I'm maybe okay with trying that? I'd much rather get oog though since at least erik's useful in the day <3 Oog has kinda given up this game which makes me wonder if he's some kind of useless role which doesn't have much power over their win/loss and thus has kind of lost motivation to try (Autocrat/SK can easily be killed at night and lose after all the effort they put in). So if nobody else wants to vote Oak (which I do not understand but ok) then sure I guess I'm open to an oog lynch today. But we should obviously wait for his defense if he ever comes online, and we should also get TheWeakGuy48_ to claim so he can prove himself tonight
The game is Capitalism Mafia
Both Mafia so far have been American
None of the other countries (Ireland, Canada) have had Mafia in it
Vat, you're supposedly from UK so if you're inno, then UK also is proven to be all innocent
So why does Australia has Mafia when America is the Capitalist country and the Mafia were all from America
Why are we lynching based on country when we have 0 reason to think that it matters
After all, Comp/Rune were just vanilla town yet they were in their own country, I don't think Jivvi designed this game to be spread out across different countries or have them hold much significance
I can see how the SK/Autocrat might be Australian though since I can see oog/erik/twg being one of those but after all this time I don't get why people are looking for design to give them direction in this game
So Oak literally lied about his reason for ignoring the rune lynch and is like "guys i'm inno cuz i didnt vote rune, get someone who was more vocal" yet he didn't come over as scum :thinking:
Who you think is most likely to be mafia: Oak, then either Notty, Vat, HK or TWG. Possibly oog. Possibly erik. Who knows. But my main suspicion is Oak.
Who you think is most likely to be serial killer: Oog/erik/hk/twg/vat, dunno tbh
Who you think is most likely to be autocrat: HK/oog/twg
Which of the above do you prefer to target today: Oak
How strong is this preference: Fairly strong because he's the only one I have a strong feeling about being scum, regardless of the type of scum he is. But I can see why oog/erik may be a candidate for lynching and I guess I'm maybe okay with trying that? I'd much rather get oog though since at least erik's useful in the day <3 Oog has kinda given up this game which makes me wonder if he's some kind of useless role which doesn't have much power over their win/loss and thus has kind of lost motivation to try (Autocrat/SK can easily be killed at night and lose after all the effort they put in). So if nobody else wants to vote Oak (which I do not understand but ok) then sure I guess I'm open to an oog lynch today. But we should obviously wait for his defense if he ever comes online, and we should also get TheWeakGuy48_ to claim so he can prove himself tonight
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
basically what i'm trying to say is why are we assuming that the mafia are spread out over countries when previous patterns indicate this is unlikely and we have no reason to think that
personally i think it's probably because notty's trying to re-direct attention from america over to australia or something
personally i think it's probably because notty's trying to re-direct attention from america over to australia or something
Because America and Australia are the two biggest countries in this game, so it could make sense that each has mafia
The second pattern is that only America has mafia, but Notty claimed an American so why would she push for a lynch that could include her?
A third option is that it's a random distribution, and the two mafia in America made it seem like one of the two patterns above should be true.
If Hillary can be mafia together with Donald, which went against each other politically, I don't see why both Americans and Australians can have mafia members. Esp cuz Australia also has such an unusual amount of politicians. I do think Notty's and Oak's claims are a bit eh. If inffy is in fact ordinary townie then they are probably 3rd party. Esp notty is also big suspect for third party.
I just think it makes sense for Moog and erik to be the remaining mafia, I won't just think otherwise because "all mafia could be American".
I just think it makes sense for Moog and erik to be the remaining mafia, I won't just think otherwise because "all mafia could be American".
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
It *could* but after all weve seen this game I find it odd that people are lynching based on what they think the design is rather than just reads
I'm pretty sure we have lots of Australia because jivvi is Australian and so knows those politicians
It's possible there's a Mafia anywhere but I just don't get why people are happy to think it's more likely that Australia has Mafia rather than the Mafia all being American, like why is that any more likely than the alternative