Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win
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Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I disagree entirely. Just like Aqua, Choco didn't really care whether I am town or not and voted me regardless yesterday. Like I said yesterday that is simply not a towny mindset and super scummy.
Don't let Aqua hear that, he gets triggered when you want to wait till exactly 9 votes.
I mean I have been under attack and at risk of lynching from practically page 6 so yeah I've been a bit defensive because if I wasn't I'd be dead right now.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Triple post since I forgot to say this
Justice is ruled by Libra and the card number is 11. The figure of Justice sits in her chair, cloaked in red and holding a sword in her right hand and scales in her left. She wears a crown with a small square on it representing well-ordered thoughts. Notice the clasp holding the cloak together. The square is the law protecting the circle and the eternal state of oneness within us all. The sword is double-edged, cutting both ways, signifying impartiality. It is point-up, signifying victory. The sword in her right hand demonstrates the logical, well-ordered mindset necessary to dispense fair justice. The scales are in her left, intuitive hand, showing that logic must be balanced by the intuition. A little white shoe pops out from beneath her cloak, reminding us of the spiritual consequences of our actions. The purple cloth draped behind her signifies compassion and the grey pillars represent the constraints of the physical world.
Any believer of this stupid card = alignment theory could argue that the 'impartiality' means he is neither town or Mafia. I don't really care for that since I know it's false but I have said that card = ability/role and this seems like a killing role laid out.
It's possible, like others have said, that Inf was murdered last night to cast more suspicion on me. Probs since I've said I was gonna murder Inf during the night about 10 times and he was heavely in favour of a me lynch. If anything I see Aqua, the serial killer, murdering Inf and then trying to find an easy lynch on me the next day.
Justice could easely be the Serial Killer role though. Here's a bunch of text that I'm copying instead of linking otherwise people won't read it:
Justice is ruled by Libra and the card number is 11. The figure of Justice sits in her chair, cloaked in red and holding a sword in her right hand and scales in her left. She wears a crown with a small square on it representing well-ordered thoughts. Notice the clasp holding the cloak together. The square is the law protecting the circle and the eternal state of oneness within us all. The sword is double-edged, cutting both ways, signifying impartiality. It is point-up, signifying victory. The sword in her right hand demonstrates the logical, well-ordered mindset necessary to dispense fair justice. The scales are in her left, intuitive hand, showing that logic must be balanced by the intuition. A little white shoe pops out from beneath her cloak, reminding us of the spiritual consequences of our actions. The purple cloth draped behind her signifies compassion and the grey pillars represent the constraints of the physical world.
Any believer of this stupid card = alignment theory could argue that the 'impartiality' means he is neither town or Mafia. I don't really care for that since I know it's false but I have said that card = ability/role and this seems like a killing role laid out.
It's possible, like others have said, that Inf was murdered last night to cast more suspicion on me. Probs since I've said I was gonna murder Inf during the night about 10 times and he was heavely in favour of a me lynch. If anything I see Aqua, the serial killer, murdering Inf and then trying to find an easy lynch on me the next day.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Here is where I'm at: Aqua is Scum or the Serial killer, and Choco is simply Scum.
ChocoFox you said your 'tipping point'(term stolen from my claim post) was 9 votes. I'd like you to not forget about Fog's hidden vote as he's sneakily voting you too. That puts you on 6 votes right now incase you're wondering(5 normal 1 hidden). The best thing for me is to level the playing field and have you come out with your card so people can better decide what to do with you.
You were heavely in favour of a macclaim yesterday, is that still the case today?
Also if you still believe the card = alignment thing, which you seem to still believe since you're voting for me still, could you give me a list of which 6 card you deem would be Mafia then?
ChocoFox you said your 'tipping point'(term stolen from my claim post) was 9 votes. I'd like you to not forget about Fog's hidden vote as he's sneakily voting you too. That puts you on 6 votes right now incase you're wondering(5 normal 1 hidden). The best thing for me is to level the playing field and have you come out with your card so people can better decide what to do with you.
You were heavely in favour of a macclaim yesterday, is that still the case today?
Also if you still believe the card = alignment thing, which you seem to still believe since you're voting for me still, could you give me a list of which 6 card you deem would be Mafia then?
Yep. Also, that 'stupid science experiment' is still a possibility. Just wanted to let you know in case you didn't know. Oh, and the guniea pig is still you.
I'm still in favour of a mass-claim, but seeing that its not going to happen, why bring it back up again?
Oh, also may I know how did you know that Foggy's vote is quiet even though I can't find any information on it? Huh...? Do you have telepathic powers or a bionic intelligence?
The kill on Inf didn't (for me at least) raise any more suspicion on you, it just removed a more likely lynch target, which I don't see why mafias or SK would want to. Why not just keep you both so you could get lynched day 1 and 2? Also, Inf was a bigger lynch target than you, so if mafias or SK wanted an easier lynch, why not just kill you and try to lynch Infected?
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I'm thinking practically because someone not being able to vote seems unnatural for a game of Mafia and if it truely were the case then eligible voters would go down to 20 instead of 21 and it would only take 10 to no-lynch not 11.
Because I'd like to know why you're in favour of it and I'd like to know which 6 card you would deem Mafia. It's all about your perspective.
Also I forgot to vote you last post so
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I'm not going to wildcard guess these roles, it'd be pointless and add on to the confusion.
Besides, its pretty clear that from the two people that died that at least some roles are apparently aligned to a certain alignment.
2/23 sounds like sufficient information to me, at least for now. Just tragic it wasn't 3/23 if you were part of that number since day zero.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
You're litterally saying you think card = alignment here. So why refuse to take guesses about which 6 roles could be Mafia? Youre willing to lynch me on this card = alignment theory yet you don't want to say which cards my 5 supposed Mafia buddies have?
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
You can't say that I'm Mafia because card = alignment and then refuse to speculate which other cards will also be Mafia. It's reasons like this that show me you're lynching me just to lynch me without any actual good reasons which is why Iw as suspicious of you yesterday and now today still
Why would I do that...? If you really want some alignment wildcard guess for your own personal viewing pleasure I cordially invite you to look at what Inffy posted at the start of the game. I'm not going to wildcard guess something just because you want me to? Not to mention that my opinion on how roles are aligned is going to help with anything at all... if anything its going to add more confusion? Is this what you want?
What I'm saying here is that empirically 8.7% (2/23 - Hermit and Emperor) of the roles have been more or less confirmed to align with the popular belief...? And there hasn't been any challenges to that claim with substantiated evidence so it would be better to believe in it for now?
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
There have been several challenges namely me, Hk and Ender seems to not believe it either.
So what youre saying is that youre voting me since you say card = alignment, yet you dont care at all which cards are 'bad'?
Youre litterally calling them wildcard guesses, how are they guesses if card = alignment?
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
what i'm getting from this post is that you say you are more or less certain that the card names correlate with alignment, but you refuse to use that assumption to aid in your scumhunting
not only does this refusal undermine your assumption by showing that you don't fully believe it, it also paints you in a painfully clear anti-town light
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Ok, so this is what I think would be wise to do.
I agree with Danni that there is likely a cop. Its possible the cop only can see what card people have (like what roob alluded to), however I think it may be more likely in a game with this many players that there could be both. Out of the options oog said, IMO a checking of Inf or Notty would have made the most sense. Checking Inf would have been pointless for us, but I personally think thats slightly more likely. If they did check notty, either they got inno or don't want to announce scum. (Actually, cops can't be mafia side can they?).
Anyway, it wouldn't make much sense to me for Notty (if was mafia) to kill Inf - it'd just make her more likely to be lynched. This doesn't mean I think notty is town, but here is what I think is the best thing to do here,
Also, I saw mentioned that Geek was the lovers.Assuming there's two like fog said, AFAIK nobody has claimed that this is false. The other lover would likely have done this if Geek wasn't the lover, exposing roob. But that didn't happen. If there is a doctor is similar, protecting roob may be beneficial tonight
I agree with Danni that there is likely a cop. Its possible the cop only can see what card people have (like what roob alluded to), however I think it may be more likely in a game with this many players that there could be both. Out of the options oog said, IMO a checking of Inf or Notty would have made the most sense. Checking Inf would have been pointless for us, but I personally think thats slightly more likely. If they did check notty, either they got inno or don't want to announce scum. (Actually, cops can't be mafia side can they?).
Anyway, it wouldn't make much sense to me for Notty (if was mafia) to kill Inf - it'd just make her more likely to be lynched. This doesn't mean I think notty is town, but here is what I think is the best thing to do here,
- Lynch someone else - Aqua/Choco?
- Wait until tomorrow - if the cop exists and they checked Inf last night, they can check notty. If they checked notty, they can check someone else.
Also, I saw mentioned that Geek was the lovers.Assuming there's two like fog said, AFAIK nobody has claimed that this is false. The other lover would likely have done this if Geek wasn't the lover, exposing roob. But that didn't happen. If there is a doctor is similar, protecting roob may be beneficial tonight
Really struggling to keep up with this game. Gonna try reading for several hours then I'll hopefully be completely caught up. I'd almost forgotten I still had my vote on choco, but since it was just a test vote i'll unvote.
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errr I've been struggling to keep up and think maybe i hadn't fully realized what the emperor did. I'm really just now starting to see it wasn't that great of a role.
My point about Inffy's playstyle was more that we could trust that he was trying to act in the best interest of the town despite being third party if he was trying go for a town win. I just felt knowing he was likely aiming for a town win gave some context to his previous posts, and the people he was arguing with.
Question, has TWG even said anything other than asking for the massclaim yet again? I may have missed that somewhere along the lines of these posts.
But still why are people pushing so hard for choco to claim? It seems like people are pushing because they were acting scummy yesterday, which I agree with, but they aren't really right now. This push seems like another case of "bad card = bad" which if that happens to be uncovered from choco then what? Would we lynch them based around that? It seems like the arguments going FOR this are the same people that don't want notty lynched for practically the same reason.
I don't buy notty's claim that she is notified of "game changing events" which is noticeably vague and coincidentally did not happen last night. I see this going one of two ways, notty says that something did happen but it was the death of the emperor that she saw. Notty says that it did not happen and gets saved on the basis of making sure an easy claim isn't there.
All in all I do honestly think that a lynch on notty is our best option right now.
Vote Notty
But still why are people pushing so hard for choco to claim? It seems like people are pushing because they were acting scummy yesterday, which I agree with, but they aren't really right now. This push seems like another case of "bad card = bad" which if that happens to be uncovered from choco then what? Would we lynch them based around that? It seems like the arguments going FOR this are the same people that don't want notty lynched for practically the same reason.
I don't buy notty's claim that she is notified of "game changing events" which is noticeably vague and coincidentally did not happen last night. I see this going one of two ways, notty says that something did happen but it was the death of the emperor that she saw. Notty says that it did not happen and gets saved on the basis of making sure an easy claim isn't there.
All in all I do honestly think that a lynch on notty is our best option right now.
Vote Notty
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Agreed - I am a little confused about why Aqua is under the spotlight but him aside, the constant bickering between notty and choco though is just full of unjustified assertions and attacks that aren't really called for.
I have expressed my thoughts on choco playing in character a while ago, and even though choco is being suspected and somewhat pushed to the edge right now is understandable - his silence earlier today can easily be attributed to timezones and his support for odd tactics can be attributed to him having a different playing style. It does seem like, however, through his manner of speech that he is trying to gain influence at any cost and has been way too stubborn in his arguments without regard to the survival of town in the long-term even though that has been discussed multiple times.
vote ChocoFox
That is not to say that choco is more suspicious than notty - there isn't much to say about notty since she's the most likely to be scum at this point. I do fear that mafia may successfully block such an attempt though.
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
There are plenty of reasons to lynch Choco, none of them having to do with his card being somehow 'bad'. For example look at his recent posts and tell me what you think. Choco seems set on believing this card = alignment theory yet he refuses to expand this theory to other cards and focusses solely on how it makes me bad. If he truely believed the theory why would he not care about other 'bad' cards? In my eyes this proves he's just sprouting nonsense reasons to vote me as he did yesterday too.
May I ask if you're lynching me because you also think cards might = alignments? Or is it solely because you don't believe my role/think I've been acting scummy? And what about the idea to keep me alive till tomorrow so the cop can have another investigation before clearing me?
Guys, the cop visiting notty tonight could easily be what the mafia want ffs. Whether notty is mafia or not, the mafia can set a watcher on her and thus find out the identity of the cop and murder him the next night. I just don't understand why people are so eager to use this means to justify notty when it is potentially just what the mafia want and is risky.