Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Enderfive]

Unusual_Dood sorry if i've missed anything, i haven't really been paying attention, but have you actually tried voting for someone else other than yourself? i assume there aren't two fools in this game, so i doubt you have any actual incentive to keep the vote on yourself

 

[Unusual_Dood]

I don't see the benefit of keeping Erik alive when we have nothing to counter his poisoning except for me.

There are no evidences telling us there is a poisoner. All day deaths have been immidiate and a poisoner usually poisons the victim at night and they die next night. This way there will be time for a doctor to heal the player. So, if anything don’t call it a poisoner.
However, you could think that there is a mafia role that has the ability to choose a player which will die the day after. The problem with this is that the times Aqua and Oog died seemed to either be set or happened immidietly as someone chose to perform the kill. For example, if one of the mafia members visited Aqua, then why would Notty seem to know when the kill was happening, and said so immidiatly. That’s why I think that this was most likely caused by either a mafia role which can kill at day, or a gun (but nothing seems to be supporting this theory yet).

There's a much bigger benefit in stopping Erik which we have more evidence to prove he is Mafia.

I might be missing something, but what proofs do we really have against Erik?
And if stopping Erik is what you want to do, why not just block him?

I disagree, I think Erik is the more likely option. I don't get why you're very in the middle but I don't see the benefit of keeping Erik alive when we have nothing to counter his poisoning except for me.

What you don’t see is that from our perspective we don’t know that you are town. It’s obvious for you if you are town that Erik is evil, but we can’t just take your word for it, and you could just as well as Erik get lynched. It will basically be a 50-50. However, by lynching mul, who happens to be a very likely mafia, we can easy figure out which one of you that are lying, and lynch him next day, without having to risk lynching the PR.

 

[Rune]

1. There is no evidence of there being a poisoner, in fact it haven't even been any hints or texts that could hint towards it.
2. Each rolename is losely aligned with the ability. If you find a tarot card that could be about poison please tell.
3. If Ooglie/Aqua was poisoned, they would most likely be notified and they would tell us about it. With them not being notified it kinda hints towards there not being any poison in place at all.
4. Nobody died during the second day, why didn't Erik poison someone then?
5. Erik being a poisoner would allow the mafia 1 kill each night and 1 during the day which honestly is quite unbalanced imo.
6. It doesn't make any sense to have a poisoner that can't be dealt with.
7. Before/after Aqua died Notty talked about a gun.

1.) A poisoner is the closest role which fits what's going on. There a mentions of poisoner causing deaths in the day for some players and I'm guessing his role is on that.
2.) And it's not definite if it correlates to the card or not. A poisoner could be Death as the closest card, as he is directly causing death to a player he visits.
3.) Some hosts do not require to have the poisoned player to be warned that they have been poisoned. Unless they have and there was another role which prevented them from speaking about it.
4.) Already explained eaelier. He could have done it to confuse us later on and to reduce the amount of reports he is present in.
5.) Possibly, unless poisoner is there only killing role.
6.) In most games, either the doctor heals which for us is dead, or through a poison doctor who isn't present. Let's say the doctor can heal poisoned victims if he visits them, why didn't Erik do that if he claims to be the Doctor. Surely he would have known too?
7.) Which could be from the Gunsmith.

Anyways, EXPLAIN WHY ERIK HAVE BEEN VISITING PLAYERS PLEASE.

So far, you look scummy by ignoring evidence to prove nothing. If you're that desperate to keep him as a inno, then go ahead and tell us he healed you or something stupid because you're obviously obsessed with protecting a BLATANT MAFIA.

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Unusual_Dood sorry if i've missed anything, i haven't really been paying attention, but have you actually tried voting for someone else other than yourself? i assume there aren't two fools in this game, so i doubt you have any actual incentive to keep the vote on yourself

I’m the hanged man and always have one vote on myself, and one vote I can use on others

 

[Rune]

There are no evidences telling us there is a poisoner. All day deaths have been immidiate and a poisoner usually poisons the victim at night and they die next night. This way there will be time for a doctor to heal the player. So, if anything don’t call it a poisoner.
However, you could think that there is a mafia role that has the ability to choose a player which will die the day after. The problem with this is that the times Aqua and Oog died seemed to either be set or happened immidietly as someone chose to perform the kill. For example, if one of the mafia members visited Aqua, then why would Notty seem to know when the kill was happening, and said so immidiatly. That’s why I think that this was most likely caused by either a mafia role which can kill at day, or a gun (but nothing seems to be supporting this theory yet).



I might be missing something, but what proofs do we really have against Erik?
And if stopping Erik is what you want to do, why not just block him?



What you don’t see is that from our perspective we don’t know that you are town. It’s obvious for you if you are town that Erik is evil, but we can’t just take your word for it, and you could just as well as Erik get lynched. It will basically be a 50-50. However, by lynching mul, who happens to be a very likely mafia, we can easy figure out which one of you that are lying, and lynch him next day, without having to risk lynching the PR.

The closest comparable role which has this sort of effect is the poisoner, as some ganes sometimes have them die from poison from the next day, and Notty would know who died by Mafia chat.

I can block Erik, but my block may not work against his role, as it has passive elements. Hopefully it does but I know for a fact that I will be targeted for the next night because of my ability.

There is no point keeping him alive, especially when he has revealed himself with a shit lie and said he was the BACKUP DOC which we KNOW is a LIE.

 

[Fog]

Unusual_Dood sorry if i've missed anything, i haven't really been paying attention, but have you actually tried voting for someone else other than yourself? i assume there aren't two fools in this game, so i doubt you have any actual incentive to keep the vote on yourself

When he votes for somebody else there is also a vote on him so its kinda like a double

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

Anyways, EXPLAIN WHY ERIK HAVE BEEN VISITING PLAYERS PLEASE.

So far, you look scummy by ignoring evidence to prove nothing. If you're that desperate to keep him as a inno, then go ahead and tell us he healed you or something stupid because you're obviously obsessed with protecting a BLATANT MAFIA.

Maybe Erik is visiting players because he actually is the doctor? Apparently you haven't thought of that possibility.

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

Okay I just noticed something VERY SUSPICIOUS Oog visited Rune the night before he died. If Oog is the gunsmith, it means that Rune gained a gun. And later Ooglie got shot. :thinking:

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

Also there is no evidence of there Rune being a roleblocker.

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

Also looking back Runemen was also veeeery supportive of a Choco lynch and even went as far as putting Notty as inno. :intense_thinking:

 

[Fog]

who have you visited Runemen4 you might have said earlier but im lazy and cba to go back and read <3

 

[Unusual_Dood]

The closest comparable role which has this sort of effect is the poisoner, as some ganes sometimes have them die from poison from the next day, and Notty would know who died by Mafia chat.

The point of the poison is that the doctor has the time to save the poisoned player. What you is describing is a regular nightkill, but in some unexplainable way happens at a random time the day later, with hidden death message, and that the mafias know when it happens. Do you r e a l l y think that is the closest comparable role? A Gunner or a daykiller is explaining this much easier

Also, look at Chocos role
QUOTE="Arelic, post: 411121, member: 1816"]
> Night Action: Target one player, they are protected from night kills
[/QUOTE]
Why would it say he can protect from night kills, when the victims get killed at day.

I can block Erik, but my block may not work against his role, as it has passive elements. Hopefully it does but I know for a fact that I will be targeted for the next night because of my ability
.

You can role block him, aka stop him from doing anything, on a chosen player.

There is no point keeping him alive

Have already mentioned it here:

we can easy figure out which one of you that are lying, and lynch him next day, without having to risk lynching the PR.

There is no reason to lynch Erik, really, when we got Mulb as an option

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Also looking back Runemen was also veeeery supportive of a Choco lynch and even went as far as putting Notty as inno. :intense_thinking:

And now seem desperate to not lynch Mulb

 

[Rune]

Also there is no evidence of there Rune being a roleblocker.

you're pulling straws to get me lynched, making me more suspicious that you're mafia.

Maybe Erik is visiting players because he actually is the doctor? Apparently you haven't thought of that possibility.

Because WE ALREADY KNOW THAT CHOCO WAS THE DOCTOR. WHAT IS THIS? THERE WON'T BE TWO DOCS IN THE GAME AND IF OUR DOC IS GONE, THEN WHY IS HE STILL CLAIMING AS ONE

Okay I just noticed something VERY SUSPICIOUS Oog visited Rune the night before he died. If Oog is the gunsmith, it means that Rune gained a gun. And later Ooglie got shot. :thinking:

And you IGNORE the fact that it was Notty who actually did that?

Also there is no evidence of there Rune being a roleblocker.

There's a hell of a lot more evidence of me claiming as my card than what Erik is CC'ing with. What's up with you protecting your mafia buddies?

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

who have you visited Runemen4 you might have said earlier but im lazy and cba to go back and read <3

Enderfive

 

[Danni122112]

There are several sides here, and it could easily be 2 mafia, and two towns that are wrong, on any of the sides, there are no clear answer here that I can see.

Every lynch candidate brought up, I'm just like, ye, I see your arguments, but there are also good counter arguments.

I think we need some more info before proceeding, I say honestly just vote ender.

He has repeadetly states himself that he will be a threat to our endgame. He needs to be killed. A day where we dont have a strong lynch candidate, but we will have tomorrow, is a good day to lynch him.

vote Ender

 

[Fog]

There are several sides here, and it could easily be 2 mafia, and two towns that are wrong, on any of the sides, there are no clear answer here that I can see.

Every lynch candidate brought up, I'm just like, ye, I see your arguments, but there are also good counter arguments.

I think we need some more info before proceeding, I say honestly just vote ender.

He has repeadetly states himself that he will be a threat to our endgame. He needs to be killed. A day where we dont have a strong lynch candidate, but we will have tomorrow, is a good day to lynch him.

vote Ender

Surely this is like the stupidest out of all the strategy's we can do, bearing in mind he said that when killed he is able to kill another player?

I think we have two choices:

1) Lynch mulb and have people investigate Rune and Erik then lynch one of them tomorrow depending on the results



2) Lynch one of either Rune or Erik then if we are right ASSUME the other is innocent and investigate Mulb / Dess / whoever is most suspicious

 

[Guest35486]

[BCOLOR=transparent]Day 3 - Vote Count in which Danni forgot he's already voting for Ender so he votes him again[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Enderfive (2): Enderfive, Danni122112[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Mulbery (3): hipman500(x2), Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Runemen4 (1): erik5456[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]erik5456 (3): Fog, Runemen4, Dess[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=transparent]With 14 players alive, it takes 8 players to lynch and 7 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.[/BCOLOR]

 

[Rune]

[BCOLOR=transparent]Day 3 - Vote Count in which Danni forgot he's already voting for Ender so he votes him again[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Enderfive (2): Enderfive, Danni122112[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Mulbery (3): hipman500(x2), Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Runemen4 (1): erik5456[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]erik5456 (3): Fog, Runemen4, Dess[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=transparent]With 14 players alive, it takes 8 players to lynch and 7 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.[/BCOLOR]

whats the deadline again?

 

[Guest35486]

whats the deadline again?

The deadline is at 7 AM GMT, 5 April. (Thursday)

 

[Unusual_Dood]

(bold this) Vote Mulb

[BCOLOR=transparent]Mulbery (3): hipman500(x2), Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
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[Guest35486]

[BCOLOR=transparent]Day 3 - Vote Count (why do i have eyes if im blind)[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Enderfive (2): Enderfive, Danni122112[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Mulbery (4): hipman500(x2), Unusual_Dood, TheWeakGuy48_[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Runemen4 (1): erik5456[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]erik5456 (3): Fog, Runemen4, Dess[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=transparent]With 14 players alive, it takes 8 players to lynch and 7 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.[/BCOLOR]

 

[Dess]

I can't put a lengthy post but I agree with the votes on mulb for right now.

Unvote
Vote mulb

 

[Unusual_Dood]

There are several sides here, and it could easily be 2 mafia, and two towns that are wrong, on any of the sides, there are no clear answer here that I can see.

Every lynch candidate brought up, I'm just like, ye, I see your arguments, but there are also good counter arguments.

I think we need some more info before proceeding, I say honestly just vote ender.

He has repeadetly states himself that he will be a threat to our endgame. He needs to be killed. A day where we dont have a strong lynch candidate, but we will have tomorrow, is a good day to lynch him.

vote Ender

Why do you want to give mafias the upper hand? We are literally at the games most critical point, and you want to face that with getting rid of the fool. And your argument is that we need more info. Like, we just massclaimed to get more info.

Ender we can lynch later but not now.

 

[Fog]

Unvote

Vote Mulb