Republic - Completed

[Enderfive]

disregard the post up to the point where the second quote kicks in, i meant to delete that because i realised i was talking nonsense, but the draft got saved and i didn't remember to delete it afterwards

 

[Enderfive]

uh that would be the fourth quote then

 

[Velzerat]

im vengeful

 

[Enderfive]

im vengeful

well, actually the plan was for you to say if you're one of the three (bp, reticent, vengeful), but okay, that works i guess

 

[Nottykitten]

okay but let me remind you that

a) whistleblower's action is more effective when he isn't on the council
b) the protester will kill himself if he's elected to the court due to some dumb shit happening in the council again
c) literally any

During autocracy with an confirmed town dictator the whistleblower is useless. With 5 people in the council a dictatorship should happen and Aqua isn't going to be in the council this time as far as I know so the chances of something going wrong go from 100% to something below 100%.

 

[HKCaper]

so whats the dealio, are we going with last game's plan or something else?

i'm lowkey fine eitherway as long as i am not on that dreadful council again

 

[Enderfive]

During autocracy with an confirmed town dictator the whistleblower is useless. With 5 people in the council a dictatorship should happen and Aqua isn't going to be in the council this time as far as I know so the chances of something going wrong go from 100% to something below 100%.

refer to my next two posts

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I mean in the case of ccing we have no definitive way of proving someones alignment OTHER than with a democracy so how are you going to tell who's telling the truth and who's lying other than vibes?

We kill

okay but let me remind you that

a) whistleblower's action is more effective when he isn't on the council
b) the protester will kill himself if he's elected to the court due to some dumb shit happening in the council again
c) literally any

a) it's not though because we're not having a democracy
b) won't happen if an autocracy
c) literally any what

i'll have to stop you right here

if the maf have any brains they will have figured out their good counterclaim options by now and from what i could see, there's no more or less than seven different non-citizen claims that would be quite comfortable for them

i'm not gonna say what they are because that would negate any possibility that there is left that they have not seen all the options for feasible counterclaims, but honestly, you don't have to be a mafia genius to see them

you're expecting maf to claim citizen because that's what would be comfy for us, but if you think they're simply going to accept your plan with all its assumptions, you've got another thing coming for you

If they don't claim citizen and we have to mass claim that's fine by me, in fact that's better for us probably

the point is, they may not, they may claim citizen, in which case the mass claim was a waste

so we do it in steps as a safety procaution

 

[Infected_alien8_]

oh nvm I didnt see the next page soz

 

[Enderfive]

a) it's not though because we're not having a democracy
b) won't happen if an autocracy
c) literally any what

you will notice i made two posts right after this one where i told you to ignore this bit

you will notice how the last point cuts off because i realised i was talking nonsense and didn't continue

you will notice how i've already pointed this out to notty, who, similarly to you, was too impatient to put off responding to me until she had read literally two more posts

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Mafia aren't going to only have 1 kill per night though because they have the poisonor and the tox can't save the poisonor because otherwise the bus driver will send them to the granny, so mafia have 2 kills per night until poisonor dies unless we get lucky and block them

That means we can only mislynch 3 times (correct me if I'm wrong), which is unlikely in a pool of 26 players

We could use our watcher on the poisoned person to ensure that doesn't happen I guess, that frees up the dictator's ability to be nightkilled though, which means we'll have 4 mislynches (again correct me if I'm wrong I'm not calculating this in depth since I have revision to do for exams so I'm just kinda using what seems about right) if dictator dies twice (since we're forced to NL and miss a lynch twice)

So we're going to likely have 3 or 4 mislynches not 6

How many mislynches can we make if we massclaim again?

Lets consider 3 kills by rev/maf. Then we can only allow 1 mislynch/missclaim with the massclaim idea, as 2 mislynches will lose:

Spoiler

[xtable=234x257]
{tbody}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}-{/td}
{td=@x19}Town alive{/td}
{td=@x19}Mafia alive{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 1{/td}
{td=@x19}18{/td}
{td=@x19}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 1{/td}
{td=@x19}18{/td}
{td=@x19}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 2{/td}
{td=@x19}15{/td}
{td=@x19}6{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 2 - mislynch{/td}
{td=@x19}15{/td}
{td=@x19}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=87x@}Day 3{/td}
{td}12{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 3{/td}
{td=@x19}11{/td}
{td=@x19}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 4{/td}
{td=@x19}8{/td}
{td=@x19}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Night 4{/td}
{td=@x20}7{/td}
{td=@x20}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Day 5 - mislynch{/td}
{td=@x20}4{/td}
{td=@x20}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Night 5{/td}
{td=@x20}3{/td}
{td=@x20}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Day 6{/td}
{td=@x20}0{/td}
{td=@x20}0{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Without massclaiming we can instead allow at most 4 miskill/mislynches which is quite a lot better.

Spoiler

[xtable=223x213]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{td}Townies alive{/td}
{td}Mafias alive{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 1{/td}
{td}18{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 1 - miskill (1){/td}
{td}18{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 2{/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 2 - miskill (2){/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 3{/td}
{td}10{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 3- miskill (3){/td}
{td}9{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 4 - mislynch (4){/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 4 - miskill (5){/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 5{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Also, I would like to point out that 3 kills every night isn't going to happen without a massclaim, since then a) doc failed to save b) toxicologist failed to cure OR poison a mafia member (then the mafia poisoner has to cure them) c) rev didn't kill maf d) mafia didn't murder rev e) mafia didn't poison rev f) maf and rev didn't target the same g) rev or mafia didn't attempt to murder the bulletproof h) role blocker failed to block mafia night kill, mafia poisoner AND rev. If only one these doesn't happen then there simply wont be 3 townies dead, assuming granny doesnt kill anyone, and this happening every night is simply not going to happen.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

you will notice i made two posts right after this one where i told you to ignore this bit

you will notice how the last point cuts off because i realised i was talking nonsense and didn't continue

you will notice how i've already pointed this out to notty, who, similarly to you, was too impatient to put off responding to me until she had read literally two more posts

oh nvm I didnt see the next page soz

ironic

 

[Infected_alien8_]

you will notice i made a post saying i didnt say it

 

[Infected_alien8_]

see it*

 

[Nottykitten]

you will notice i made two posts right after this one where i told you to ignore this bit

you will notice how the last point cuts off because i realised i was talking nonsense and didn't continue

you will notice how i've already pointed this out to notty, who, similarly to you, was too impatient to put off responding to me until she had read literally two more posts

I did read it you said something about ignoring up to the second quote but then in the next post you said something about "uh that would be the fourth quote then" and I got confused and assumed you told me to ignore the fourt paragraph of the post

 

[Unusual_Dood]

Also, I would like to point out that 3 kills every night isn't going to happen without a massclaim, since then a) doc failed to save b) toxicologist failed to cure OR poison a mafia member (then the mafia poisoner has to cure them) c) rev didn't kill maf d) mafia didn't murder rev e) mafia didn't poison rev f) maf and rev didn't target the same g) rev or mafia didn't attempt to murder the bulletproof h) role blocker failed to block mafia night kill, mafia poisoner AND rev. If only one these doesn't happen then there simply wont be 3 townies dead, assuming granny doesnt kill anyone, and this happening every night is simply not going to happen.

Mafia and rev doesn't simply have enough information to coordinate that well that they can prevent all of these every night

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Lets consider 3 kills by rev/maf. Then we can only allow 1 mislynch/missclaim with the massclaim idea, as 2 mislynches will lose:

Spoiler

[xtable=skin1|234x257]
{tbody}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}-{/td}
{td=@x19}Town alive{/td}
{td=@x19}Mafia alive{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 1{/td}
{td=@x19}18{/td}
{td=@x19}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 1{/td}
{td=@x19}18{/td}
{td=@x19}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 2{/td}
{td=@x19}15{/td}
{td=@x19}6{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 2 - mislynch{/td}
{td=@x19}15{/td}
{td=@x19}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=87x@}Day 3{/td}
{td}12{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 3{/td}
{td=@x19}11{/td}
{td=@x19}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 4{/td}
{td=@x19}8{/td}
{td=@x19}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Night 4{/td}
{td=@x20}7{/td}
{td=@x20}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Day 5 - mislynch{/td}
{td=@x20}4{/td}
{td=@x20}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Night 5{/td}
{td=@x20}3{/td}
{td=@x20}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Day 6{/td}
{td=@x20} {/td}
{td=@x20} {/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Without massclaiming we can instead allow at most 4 miskill/mislynches which is quite a lot better.

Spoiler

[xtable=skin1|223x213]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{td}Townies alive{/td}
{td}Mafias alive{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 1{/td}
{td}18{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 1 - miskill (1){/td}
{td}18{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 2{/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 2 - miskill (2){/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 3{/td}
{td}10{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 3- miskill (3){/td}
{td}9{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 4 - mislynch (4){/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 4 - miskill (5){/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 5{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Also, I would like to point out that 3 kills every night isn't going to happen without a massclaim, since then a) doc failed to save b) toxicologist failed to cure OR poison a mafia member (then the mafia poisoner has to cure them) c) rev didn't kill maf d) mafia didn't murder rev e) mafia didn't poison rev f) maf and rev didn't target the same g) rev or mafia didn't attempt to murder the bulletproof h) role blocker failed to block mafia night kill, mafia poisoner AND rev. If only one these doesn't happen then there simply wont be 3 townies dead, assuming granny doesnt kill anyone, and this happening every night is simply not going to happen.

Well if what you're saying numbers-wise is true then okay, let's not massclaim

I don't have time to go through it right now myself

But I will point out that the things you listed are all statistically unlikely but yeah I don't imagine one of them won't happen at least once

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Fog are you alive

 

[Nottykitten]

Lets consider 3 kills by rev/maf. Then we can only allow 1 mislynch/missclaim with the massclaim idea, as 2 mislynches will lose:

Spoiler

[xtable=skin1|234x257]
{tbody}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}-{/td}
{td=@x19}Town alive{/td}
{td=@x19}Mafia alive{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 1{/td}
{td=@x19}18{/td}
{td=@x19}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 1{/td}
{td=@x19}18{/td}
{td=@x19}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 2{/td}
{td=@x19}15{/td}
{td=@x19}6{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 2 - mislynch{/td}
{td=@x19}15{/td}
{td=@x19}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=87x@}Day 3{/td}
{td}12{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Night 3{/td}
{td=@x19}11{/td}
{td=@x19}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x19}
{td=87x19}Day 4{/td}
{td=@x19}8{/td}
{td=@x19}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Night 4{/td}
{td=@x20}7{/td}
{td=@x20}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Day 5 - mislynch{/td}
{td=@x20}4{/td}
{td=@x20}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Night 5{/td}
{td=@x20}3{/td}
{td=@x20}1{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x20}
{td=87x20}Day 6{/td}
{td=@x20} {/td}
{td=@x20} {/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Without massclaiming we can instead allow at most 4 miskill/mislynches which is quite a lot better.

Spoiler

[xtable=skin1|223x213]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{td}Townies alive{/td}
{td}Mafias alive{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 1{/td}
{td}18{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 1 - miskill (1){/td}
{td}18{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 2{/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 2 - miskill (2){/td}
{td}14{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 3{/td}
{td}10{/td}
{td}4{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 3- miskill (3){/td}
{td}9{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 4 - mislynch (4){/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Night 4 - miskill (5){/td}
{td}4{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Day 5{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{td}1{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]

Also, I would like to point out that 3 kills every night isn't going to happen without a massclaim, since then a) doc failed to save b) toxicologist failed to cure OR poison a mafia member (then the mafia poisoner has to cure them) c) rev didn't kill maf d) mafia didn't murder rev e) mafia didn't poison rev f) maf and rev didn't target the same g) rev or mafia didn't attempt to murder the bulletproof h) role blocker failed to block mafia night kill, mafia poisoner AND rev. If only one these doesn't happen then there simply wont be 3 townies dead, assuming granny doesnt kill anyone, and this happening every night is simply not going to happen.

If you don't want to massclaim we'd still need 5 townies in the council to get a dictatorship so atleast 2 more need to claim.

That said untill people decide what they want I'll place my votes on 5 people I think are town(infact I know for certain for 4 of them!):
Elect: Notty, Inf, Hunter, Fal, Velz

 

[Enderfive]

elect: Hunter, Velzerat, Faliara, Enderfive, One one two

 

[Sploorky]

Just to get the votes out there and shake things up...

elect: Faliara, Hunter, Velzerat, Nottykitten, enderfive

Fal, hunter, and velzerat for claiming, notty cause I have a feeling we're going to end up going for her plan so may as well have her on the council, and enderfive cause he seems like a pretty levelheaded guy.

If two more town PRs want to claim and get elected on the council so there isn't a chance of mafia knowing the dictator, then I will switch my vote, but I don't think it really matters if the mafia knows this, cause if they act on it immediately then the two unknowns look super suspicious to the rest of the town

 

[Sploorky]

god damn it notty and ender I wanted to be the first person to vote

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Before we elect hunter, fal and velz can we be sure they are actually willing to do the dictator plan since hunter and fal were both against it + velz hasn't said his opinion and if we don't have at least 3 people in there on board then they're gonna mess it up

 

[Mooglie]

im a copy cat

Elect: Notty, Inf, Hunter, Fal, Velz

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Just to get the votes out there and shake things up...

:eyes: