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Mooglie
The Local Cow
that still didnt rule out the possibility of ltin being a citizen tho
inf only had 3 roles he could possibly claim but that didnt change the probability of ltin being the same rule (oops ive violated enders math rule by saying probability)
Right, I've been re-reading the pages after page 100 or so to make a post so I'm going to just say something that popped up in my head before I do something stupid like include this in the post I'm making;
Oog, you know that mafia members who aren't Gula need two people to carry out a kill, right? You know that you saying you also visited Hunter on Night 1 doesn't help your or Inffy's cases, right? You know that the Observer's action isn't counted as a visit, right?
Mooglie
The Local Cow
if you're suggesting inf is gula im still working with the fact he's uncc and assume he's innocent
honestly this would be so much easier IF YOU GUYS DIDNT REVEAL WHO THE DICTATOR WAS GONNA SUBPOENA IN THE EVENING CHAT
That wasn't remotely what I'm saying, I'm saying that post of yours gives me the impression that you and Inf commited the nightkill together ._. What made you come to that conclusion, of all things?
Mooglie
The Local Cow
how is that even relevant here
LITERALLY ANY OF THE PRs WHO CLAIMED AFTER LTIN DYING COULD BE LYING
BUT NO ME AND INF ARE THE CLEAR LIARS SINCE WE DECIDED TO SUPPORT NOTTY
EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T BOTH BE LYING
AAAAAAA
people should really have more reason to believe inf over any of the other claimed PRs due to aquas tracking report
Right, for anyone who's hoping for autocracy, plsase don't let Oog or Inffy on the council.
Maybe it's not a 100% guarantee that either of them aremafia dissenters, but both of them are pretty suspicious for quite a few reasons.
They may be uncounterclaimed town members, but due to the roles they claimed being useful power roles, anyone who counterclaimed against them would be prime targets for being killed or poisoned by the mafia (as Aqua the tracker, Roob the monitor and Endy the assassin all suffered last night) and thus would be more hesitant to claim. At least one of them, I think, is a dissenter.
The reason I consider Inffy suspicious is because of these reasons;
Well.
For one thing, they were a defendant of Notty, which automatically makes him suspicious- more so than HK, as at least he has the excuse of coming in last minute in contrast. Otherwise...
It's just
It's just plain dumb
For one thing, Oog apparently had the dumb luck of choosing people who died on both nights. I get being unlucky very well, but that's still shifty. Then there's their post after Notty was executed. I couldn't understand anything of it at first, but as I said in the post above after looking at it again;
Speaking of Oog and Inf doing the nightkill together;
I'm pretty sure I'm only still alive because I'm hard to kill and don't have a night action as the Bulletproof, making me less of a target than other power roles- speaking of which, why aren't you two dead? Inffy may be less of a target since his role only works under autocracy and we're currently under democracy, but you? Your action may fail if your target dies, but you can still find the poisoner, the role cop, the target switcher, the blocker (though that one's dead). If you were really the Observer, you'd be more of a target than Roob, who can't exactly do much damage as the Monitor until he dies- that could be avoided by killing him early, but it could also be avoided by not killing him at all.
You two don't aim for each other. You don't aim to lynch each other, you both bring up how you're both uncounterclaimed thus far, and you both say the same thing when we bring up how both of you are suspicious- 'we can't be both be lying'. That's a pretty good tactic, I admit. Once one of you dies, the other is cleared of suspicion.
But the manner in which you two carry it out doesn't work as well as the plan.
Maybe it's not a 100% guarantee that either of them are
They may be uncounterclaimed town members, but due to the roles they claimed being useful power roles, anyone who counterclaimed against them would be prime targets for being killed or poisoned by the mafia (as Aqua the tracker, Roob the monitor and Endy the assassin all suffered last night) and thus would be more hesitant to claim. At least one of them, I think, is a dissenter.
The reason I consider Inffy suspicious is because of these reasons;
As for why I consider Oog suspicious...
Well.
For one thing, they were a defendant of Notty, which automatically makes him suspicious- more so than HK, as at least he has the excuse of coming in last minute in contrast. Otherwise...
It's just
It's just plain dumb
For one thing, Oog apparently had the dumb luck of choosing people who died on both nights. I get being unlucky very well, but that's still shifty. Then there's their post after Notty was executed. I couldn't understand anything of it at first, but as I said in the post above after looking at it again;
It gives off the impression that Oog and Inf did the nightkill together. I had thought for a second, 'no way, that's too dumb, that's too obvious' but the way Ooglie posts is so confusing and disjointed that it's a viable tactic, posting in a way that they seem as though they're trying to be helpful while also causing confusion.
Speaking of Oog and Inf doing the nightkill together;
Inf said this as well. Whenever it's brought up that either you or Inf could be claiming Ltin's role, you both say 'but we can't both be lying!' You can if the real role holders don't want to admit their role only to die the next night- and they probably will die the next night, considering what happened to the other power roles.
I'm pretty sure I'm only still alive because I'm hard to kill and don't have a night action as the Bulletproof, making me less of a target than other power roles- speaking of which, why aren't you two dead? Inffy may be less of a target since his role only works under autocracy and we're currently under democracy, but you? Your action may fail if your target dies, but you can still find the poisoner, the role cop, the target switcher, the blocker (though that one's dead). If you were really the Observer, you'd be more of a target than Roob, who can't exactly do much damage as the Monitor until he dies- that could be avoided by killing him early, but it could also be avoided by not killing him at all.
You two don't aim for each other. You don't aim to lynch each other, you both bring up how you're both uncounterclaimed thus far, and you both say the same thing when we bring up how both of you are suspicious- 'we can't be both be lying'. That's a pretty good tactic, I admit. Once one of you dies, the other is cleared of suspicion.
But the manner in which you two carry it out doesn't work as well as the plan.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
who would you have suggested i visited
ENTERTAIN ME
my only job is to catch the poisoner
my role is USELESS
i can only catch the poisoner by watching the people most likely to die or be poisoned since it's really a toss up between them
this is the dumbest thing ever
IF ANYONE IS GOING TO CC US, DO IT NOW THANKS
and what do you mean disjointed
you said this before and ???
i literally brought up the inf swapping thing on the day aqua and inf claimed
There are more dissenter non-murder roles than just the poisoner- there is a role cop, a target swapper and before Notty’s execution, a blocker. This role can also be used to learn who’s the toxicologist, the town blockers, the doctor, and the tracker. The fact that you are severely underestimating your own ‘role’ does not give me confidence in you.
If they counterclaim now, they’ll likely go the way of Hunter, Velz, Aqua, Roob and soon, Endy- death by role reveal. It would be unwise.
As in, your posts don’t make sense and only gives people headaches- I’m sorry, but I can never understand just what you’re saying until I puzzle out your posts :x
Mooglie
The Local Cow
please list these people
maybe the fault is with you <3
yes the plan with hunter was to learn the swapper and possibly the doctor but surprise my report is scrapped if they die
we've literally mass claimed so the other points are useless other than role cop and in that case explain to me how i identify them now - we've mass claimed so they can literally just choose to visit nobody (since they're masquerading as a citizen unless pretending to be whatever PR people ltin was)
interesting thought. I'm not sure what to think. One one hand find oog rather suspicious, on the other hand i find it hard to believe both oog and inffy are dessenters.
one of the reasons i find oog susp is because of the fact both his 'targets' for observer died. However, in contrast to the inffy situation, i find that fact that oog hasn't been cc'd a strong indication he is infact the observer. Ofc, like you pointed out, the observer might want to lay low for now, since so many PR's have already fallen, but i'm not sure if that is the right thing to do (if this is happening).
another hint in my eyes is that oog could be mafia, would be the way he stood up for notty and now inffy, but hey coming from me that might not mean as much.
Mooglie
The Local Cow
ive always stood up for inf??
again I THOUGHT HUNTER WOULD DIE THATS WHY I PICKED HIM I DIDNT KNOW HOW MY ROLE WORKED I THOUGHT I WOULD FIND THE SWAPPER
and the rev killed roob (presumably) and i thought notty was the rev and so wasnt gonna do that (since rev needed monitors help) so i wasnt expecting him to die since mafia were going to kill ender (well surprise not) (tbh i didnt factor in aqua in reality i should have watched him but that still would have returned no report in the end)
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Because I see sense and don't mindlessly bandwagon onto what everyone else says and saw Notty's points were worth listening to?
And no, I was not the only one, thank goodness, or I'd have gone insane
So Notty was an ideal bus yet I'm suspicious for agreeing with her
k_hand:When did that happen
in what world was that a "hissy fit", that was literally him being like *lays back* "well what can i do
" :thinking:and yes I put him as a citizen claim in my list, how dare I not agree he was being aggressive even though he very much wasn't
and how am I 'attacking' you
:thinking: it's almost as if we couldn't lynch yesterday
come on jivvi keep up
Nice argument as to where she didn't make sense
copying me how
I feel like everyone's forgotten this but Notty did say that Hunter said he would only kill citizens unless they weren't convincing enough as a PR
I don't see why Ltin was so suspicious, meaning I don't see why he wouldn't be convincing if he claimed a PR
therefore I find it likely Ltin claimed citizen, and was either citizen or mafia (like granny)
scummy because I defended logic
Defended my arguments yes, obviously I wasn't defending her innocence, quote me where I did that or stop strawmanning
yeah let's go with that because INF AGREED WITH NOTTY SO HE MUST BE MAFIA!111!
1/11* including citizens
if I was tox hunter, the person I was revealed to visit, was dead, and thus I couldn't be outed as a liar
What does this mean
What I could claim =/= What Ltin could have been
Why on Earth would anyone refuse to cc someone just because they don't want to die
That would be detrimental to town and incredibly selfish and short-sighted
Also why would oog say he visited Hunter for no reason just to be telling the truth about who he actually visited, I don't get it
Also yes I'm not suspicious of oog because unlike 99% of players this game he's actually making some sense to me and he's uncc so unlike 99% of players this game I'm not going to focus on him over anyone else
Bit rude, they make perfect sense and don't give me any headaches, just because you don't understand them doesn't mean they don't make sense and don't act like you're speaking for everyone when you insult someone thank you very much
why is that "in contrast to the inffy situation"
i meant i find it atleast viable you would have guessed Ltin's role. meaning that you being uncc'd doesnt prove you in that sense
for oog however, i feel being uncc'd does likely prove him
fair
By including citizens then you allow the possibility of both Ltin being citizen and you being dissenter with submersive claim at the same time. However, as HKCaper said later the only claim that would make sense for you to claim, if you are a dissenter, was submersive so in that case 1/1.