or notty the third party just killed a maf and gets an easy town read OR notty the mafia did a bus for an easy town readIf Omni flips mafia, Notty is pretty much as proven as it gets.
or notty the third party just killed a maf and gets an easy town read OR notty the mafia did a bus for an easy town readIf Omni flips mafia, Notty is pretty much as proven as it gets.
that is not related to what omni flipsdon't see a point in her claiming to be vigilante if she's 3rd party arsonist
it proves notty has a killing roleNo it isn't, with out cop dead we can't 100% confirm someone. If Omni flips mafia, Notty is pretty much as proven as it gets.
i disagreeI disagree, I mean if omni was any role ordinarily he'd be fighting harder for his life, his motivation to fight is 0 so regardless of what role he has it's strange
i disagree and implore you to choose an example that isnt a protection ability or allignment inspect!we don't need an alignment investigation to investigate omni
and the information would be useless if we obtain it by killing him first, the whole point is to make sure we're lynching mafia as opposed to town, so that doesn't make sense
then thered be 1 kill missing (unless the plan is to frame whoever shadow/inf (inf is mafia anyway) blocked)!OR notty the mafia did a bus for an easy town read
just to clarify: if someone claims to have the same powers of an arsonist, i would pretty much be susp of them the entire game no matter whator notty the third party just killed a maf and gets an easy town read OR notty the mafia did a bus for an easy town read
she only discovered this 83% statistic after she'd claimed, so she wasn't aware of this when she claimed, and probably, just like me, didn't think vigilantes were actually that commonOkay. It wouldn't make sense from Notty's perspective. There'd be an 83% (or whatever the percentage was) chance that there's a vigilante in this setup who would know that she's lying - and would kill her during the night.
it'd take one report to catch her out if she didn't claim vigilante, yes, because they'd go 'notty has the power to set people on fire, huh, she's evil!'. her claiming town sided vigilante increased her chances of a report not outing her, not the reverse, because now her powers would align with her claimIt would only take one report - whether it'd be a watcher report, tracker report, roleblocker, or anything else to realise that she's the arsonist, if she was caught - it's basically game over for her.
she was a big suspect for being third party already. her claiming vigilante was the best thing for her to do for her survival because it gave us a minor incentive to keep us alive. she already told us she was expecting to be lynched today.You would also have to consider that after she claimed she'd be 3rd party arsonist suspect nr. 1.
then why did you like my post where I explained why she did it? can you go back and read that again?Okay. It wouldn't make sense from Notty's perspective. There'd be an 83% (or whatever the percentage was) chance that there's a vigilante in this setup who would know that she's lying - and would kill her during the night. It would only take one report - whether it'd be a watcher report, tracker report, roleblocker, or anything else to realise that she's the arsonist, if she was caught - it's basically game over for her. You would also have to consider that after she claimed she'd be 3rd party arsonist suspect nr. 1.
I don't see a point in her claiming to be vigilante if she's 3rd party arsonist
what you call 'letting notty kill omni instead of investigating him first' could also be the difference between town winning and losing in the end, what's the difference?what you call a "minor drawback" is what actually could be the diffrence between town winning and town losing in the end.
The lynch is town's strongest weapon, I do not want it wasted on stuff we don't need to waste it on.
I don't see a 3rd party 1-timekill arsonist. She'd be taking the risk that a watcher or tracker or some other role gets information that she's visiting someone and she's as good as dead. Preferably our tracker would track her tomorrow night or sometime later.or notty the third party just killed a maf and gets an easy town read OR notty the mafia did a bus for an easy town read
why are you believing she's a 1-time kill role? why can't she be lying about the 1-shot thing?I don't see a 3rd party 1-timekill arsonist. She'd be taking the risk that a watcher or tracker or some other role gets information that she's visiting someone and she's as good as dead. Preferably our tracker would track her tomorrow night or sometime later.
alright yeah to be fair I went through the list of roles and there's only 2 I can think of which would make omni seem town if we were to find themi disagree and implore you to choose an example that isnt a protection ability or allignment inspect!
How would you know this?she only discovered this 83% statistic after she'd claimed
...then she's ... not a threat to town? If she's 3rd party arsonist and we force her to not use her abilities - that'd basically neutralize her so we could focus on the bigger threat (the mafia)watcher/tracker/roleblocker or whatever can't catch her because after today she'll just not visit anyone so this is also not true
Trueshe was a big suspect for being third party already. her claiming vigilante was the best thing for her to do for her survival because it gave us a minor incentive to keep us alive. she already told us she was expecting to be lynched today.
I liked it for the effort you put into the post while not agreeing with it 100% (there should be a "i disagree but like the effort you put into this" ("respectfully disagree" as another forum uses))then why did you like my post where I explained why she did it? can you go back and read that again?
Because this plan is shortsighted because an investigator role would have to out themselves to save Omni. If we even have a investigator role left, I hope they are waiting until at least 2 more days to hopefully get any notefully reports.what you call 'letting notty kill omni instead of investigating him first' could also be the difference between town winning and losing in the end, what's the difference?
it would also force a watcher (well a watcher wouldnt work)/tracker/roleblocker to be on notty everynight which consequently poses a threat to town...then she's ... not a threat to town? If she's 3rd party arsonist and we force her to not use her abilities - that'd basically neutralize her so we could focus on the bigger threat (the mafia)
I'm here don't panic!I thought there were many who hadn't spoken today, but figured it was only these 4. Anyway, time to wake up!
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if she figured this out before she'd have used this statistic much earlier than she didHow would you know this?
she's still a threat because she'd win if we didn't off her, so we'd have to off her eventually, before she can side with mafia to achieve her win conditionHow would you know this?
...then she's ... not a threat to town? If she's 3rd party arsonist and we force her to not use her abilities - that'd basically neutralize her so we could focus on the bigger threat (the mafia)
fair enough, I'm no longer argueing for investigating omni anyway since oog was right, it's unlikely it'd be useful since there are only 2 powers that I'd argue are 'townie powers'Because this plan is shortsighted because an investigator role would have to out themselves to save Omni. If we even have a investigator role left, I hope they are waiting until at least 2 more days to hopefully get any notefully reports.
I'm late to joining in today and your logic seems sound enough to me. VOTE NOTTY.well im just going to say this and i may have already said it today but whatever. i refuse to vote anyone except notty or twg today because those are what my gut is telling me are the CORRECT choices and after the aqua incident im inclined to believe my gut
also this ^it would also force a watcher (well a watcher wouldnt work)/tracker/roleblocker to be on notty everynight which consequently poses a threat to town
(and lynching me as town is also a drawback obviously so both sides have a potential drawback to them)so yeah everyone who is catching up ignore my 'we can investigate omni' argument since it's garbage
it's basically coming down to
do you town-read me more than notty?
if you do, vote notty to save my life and lynch an anti town, then we spend tomorrow lynching omni (which is a minuscule drawback but a drawback nonetheless)
if you don't, vote me and let notty kill omni tonight
Ok but Roob consider this: I can kill Omni during the night. Inf is entirely useless.I'm late to joining in today and your logic seems sound enough to me. VOTE NOTTY.
Yeah they want to murder an inactive personWait why are there votes on me? I'm guessing the inactivity biz right?
What role do you have? I can't be arsed to go back through the thread hahaOk but Roob consider this: I can kill Omni during the night. Inf is entirely useless.
Both our lynches have the downside of potentially lynching a town PR, his lynch has the upside of potentially getting a Mafia while my lynch has the upside of potentially getting a third party.
Also my lynch has the downside of stopping my kill against Omni. Also the Mafia is a threat while I as an accused arsonist pose no threat tonight or tomorrow night or according to Inf even subsequent nights.
Yeah they want to murder an inactive person