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don't see a point in her claiming to be vigilante if she's 3rd party arsonist
that is not related to what omni flips
No it isn't, with out cop dead we can't 100% confirm someone. If Omni flips mafia, Notty is pretty much as proven as it gets.
it proves notty has a killing role

and this is all under the assumption a vig exists in the setup when there is still no confirmation on the assignment of powers/traits
taking nottys entire scummy behaviour (if you cannot see it youre blind) out of the equation because of a kill is dumb
I disagree, I mean if omni was any role ordinarily he'd be fighting harder for his life, his motivation to fight is 0 so regardless of what role he has it's strange
i disagree
we don't need an alignment investigation to investigate omni

and the information would be useless if we obtain it by killing him first, the whole point is to make sure we're lynching mafia as opposed to town, so that doesn't make sense
i disagree and implore you to choose an example that isnt a protection ability or allignment inspect!
 

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Okay. It wouldn't make sense from Notty's perspective. There'd be an 83% (or whatever the percentage was) chance that there's a vigilante in this setup who would know that she's lying - and would kill her during the night.
she only discovered this 83% statistic after she'd claimed, so she wasn't aware of this when she claimed, and probably, just like me, didn't think vigilantes were actually that common

It would only take one report - whether it'd be a watcher report, tracker report, roleblocker, or anything else to realise that she's the arsonist, if she was caught - it's basically game over for her.
it'd take one report to catch her out if she didn't claim vigilante, yes, because they'd go 'notty has the power to set people on fire, huh, she's evil!'. her claiming town sided vigilante increased her chances of a report not outing her, not the reverse, because now her powers would align with her claim

watcher/tracker/roleblocker or whatever can't catch her because after today she'll just not visit anyone so this is also not true

You would also have to consider that after she claimed she'd be 3rd party arsonist suspect nr. 1.
she was a big suspect for being third party already. her claiming vigilante was the best thing for her to do for her survival because it gave us a minor incentive to keep us alive. she already told us she was expecting to be lynched today.

Okay. It wouldn't make sense from Notty's perspective. There'd be an 83% (or whatever the percentage was) chance that there's a vigilante in this setup who would know that she's lying - and would kill her during the night. It would only take one report - whether it'd be a watcher report, tracker report, roleblocker, or anything else to realise that she's the arsonist, if she was caught - it's basically game over for her. You would also have to consider that after she claimed she'd be 3rd party arsonist suspect nr. 1.

I don't see a point in her claiming to be vigilante if she's 3rd party arsonist
then why did you like my post where I explained why she did it? can you go back and read that again?

what you call a "minor drawback" is what actually could be the diffrence between town winning and town losing in the end.

The lynch is town's strongest weapon, I do not want it wasted on stuff we don't need to waste it on.
what you call 'letting notty kill omni instead of investigating him first' could also be the difference between town winning and losing in the end, what's the difference?
 

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or notty the third party just killed a maf and gets an easy town read OR notty the mafia did a bus for an easy town read
I don't see a 3rd party 1-timekill arsonist. She'd be taking the risk that a watcher or tracker or some other role gets information that she's visiting someone and she's as good as dead. Preferably our tracker would track her tomorrow night or sometime later.
 

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I don't see a 3rd party 1-timekill arsonist. She'd be taking the risk that a watcher or tracker or some other role gets information that she's visiting someone and she's as good as dead. Preferably our tracker would track her tomorrow night or sometime later.
why are you believing she's a 1-time kill role? why can't she be lying about the 1-shot thing?

TWG if she's arsonist, explain to me how you think a tracker/watcher is going to catch her out after she claims vigilante?
 

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also i'm placing my 1 mafia buck bet here that notty claims to not be a 1 shot tomorrow/in future (but still vigilante)
(since 3p wincons for arsonist would be last 2 remaining or number of kills, and although number of kills is probably difficult for a murderer that takes 2 nights to kill someone (i guess they could keep priming and priming) i feel like itd be a more fun wincon to be put in (if wincons were specifically assigned) and so notty would need to keep on killing despite claiming 1 shot)
possible reasoning is
i didn't want to be killed during the night!
or something
 

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she only discovered this 83% statistic after she'd claimed
How would you know this?
watcher/tracker/roleblocker or whatever can't catch her because after today she'll just not visit anyone so this is also not true
...then she's ... not a threat to town? If she's 3rd party arsonist and we force her to not use her abilities - that'd basically neutralize her so we could focus on the bigger threat (the mafia)
she was a big suspect for being third party already. her claiming vigilante was the best thing for her to do for her survival because it gave us a minor incentive to keep us alive. she already told us she was expecting to be lynched today.
True
then why did you like my post where I explained why she did it? can you go back and read that again?
I liked it for the effort you put into the post while not agreeing with it 100% (there should be a "i disagree but like the effort you put into this" ("respectfully disagree" as another forum uses))
what you call 'letting notty kill omni instead of investigating him first' could also be the difference between town winning and losing in the end, what's the difference?
Because this plan is shortsighted because an investigator role would have to out themselves to save Omni. If we even have a investigator role left, I hope they are waiting until at least 2 more days to hopefully get any notefully reports.
 

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...then she's ... not a threat to town? If she's 3rd party arsonist and we force her to not use her abilities - that'd basically neutralize her so we could focus on the bigger threat (the mafia)
it would also force a watcher (well a watcher wouldnt work)/tracker/roleblocker to be on notty everynight which consequently poses a threat to town
 

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How would you know this?
if she figured this out before she'd have used this statistic much earlier than she did

How would you know this?

...then she's ... not a threat to town? If she's 3rd party arsonist and we force her to not use her abilities - that'd basically neutralize her so we could focus on the bigger threat (the mafia)
she's still a threat because she'd win if we didn't off her, so we'd have to off her eventually, before she can side with mafia to achieve her win condition

Because this plan is shortsighted because an investigator role would have to out themselves to save Omni. If we even have a investigator role left, I hope they are waiting until at least 2 more days to hopefully get any notefully reports.
fair enough, I'm no longer argueing for investigating omni anyway since oog was right, it's unlikely it'd be useful since there are only 2 powers that I'd argue are 'townie powers'
 

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well im just going to say this and i may have already said it today but whatever. i refuse to vote anyone except notty or twg today because those are what my gut is telling me are the CORRECT choices and after the aqua incident im inclined to believe my gut
I'm late to joining in today and your logic seems sound enough to me. VOTE NOTTY.
 

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it would also force a watcher (well a watcher wouldnt work)/tracker/roleblocker to be on notty everynight which consequently poses a threat to town
also this ^

if we leave notty alive sure she'll be harmless for a while but we'll have to off her eventually (if she's arsonist), and we'd be using up town resources to keep her in check, which otherwise could be used elsewhere

my entire argument is basically: lynch notty today, lynch omni tomorrow, because the only drawback is that if omni is mafia, we'll spend 1 day lynching him when we could have skipped that - but that's incredibly unlikely to be a win or lose pivatol moment in the game, but the benefit is that we lynch notty today who I really want dead

so yeah my argument is slightly garbage I guess, it's basically

'there's not much reason to keep notty alive, only a tiny one, so if you're suspicious of her and town read me you should vote her'
 

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so TheWeakGuy48_ assuming it comes down to me vs notty (which I'm pretty sure it will), you can vote me who you think is town, and so will lose a town number, or you can vote notty and spend 1 day lynching omni

both 'lose a town number' and 'spend 1 day lynching omni' are something you could argue are significant moments and could decide whether we win or lose, sure - both are unlikely though so I'd recommend ignoring them but even if you don't ignore them, I'd say they're equally likely (albeit both unlikely) if that makes sense
 

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—— Voting Recap ——
Deadline: Thursday September 27th, 10:00PM UTC
Spreadsheet

Infected_Alien8_ - 5 (Arelic, Duffie, Mooglie, Nottykitten, Omni) (Sacrifice in 5)
Nottykitten - 4 (hipmeow, Infected_Alien8, Roobarb Pie, Rune) (Sacrifice in 6)
Roobarb Pie - 4 (77thShad, Shadow_Hunter3, TheWeakGuy48_, Unusual_Dood) (Sacrifice in 6)
Danni122112 - 1 (Matty) (Sacrifice in 9)

I've been getting questions about this and need to clear it up; roles were not created randomly.
 

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so yeah everyone who is catching up ignore my 'we can investigate omni' argument since it's garbage

it's basically coming down to

do you town-read me more than notty?

if you do, vote notty to save my life and lynch an anti town, then we spend tomorrow lynching omni (which is a minuscule drawback but a drawback nonetheless)

if you don't, vote me and let notty kill omni tonight
 

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so yeah everyone who is catching up ignore my 'we can investigate omni' argument since it's garbage

it's basically coming down to

do you town-read me more than notty?

if you do, vote notty to save my life and lynch an anti town, then we spend tomorrow lynching omni (which is a minuscule drawback but a drawback nonetheless)

if you don't, vote me and let notty kill omni tonight
(and lynching me as town is also a drawback obviously so both sides have a potential drawback to them)
 

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I'm late to joining in today and your logic seems sound enough to me. VOTE NOTTY.
Ok but Roob consider this: I can kill Omni during the night. Inf is entirely useless.

Both our lynches have the downside of potentially lynching a town PR, his lynch has the upside of potentially getting a Mafia while my lynch has the upside of potentially getting a third party.

Also my lynch has the downside of stopping my kill against Omni. Also the Mafia is a threat while I as an accused arsonist pose no threat tonight or tomorrow night or according to Inf even subsequent nights.

Wait why are there votes on me? I'm guessing the inactivity biz right?
Yeah they want to murder an inactive person
 

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Ok but Roob consider this: I can kill Omni during the night. Inf is entirely useless.

Both our lynches have the downside of potentially lynching a town PR, his lynch has the upside of potentially getting a Mafia while my lynch has the upside of potentially getting a third party.

Also my lynch has the downside of stopping my kill against Omni. Also the Mafia is a threat while I as an accused arsonist pose no threat tonight or tomorrow night or according to Inf even subsequent nights.


Yeah they want to murder an inactive person
What role do you have? I can't be arsed to go back through the thread haha
 
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