I think it's quite confusing too. In my opinion, shorter, real-time chat is a bit better than a forum game because it's just a lot simpler and easier to read messages since they're short, it's easier to distinguish whose who, it's easier to get timing context, and everyone's THERE AT THE SAME TIME AAAAAAA
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
okay i'll try to make sense of all this
situation at beginning of day 2:
Alisha - ?
Aqua - ?
BetaPanda - villager
ChocoFox - cop (uncc'd)
Comp - vig (confirmed)
Duke - ?
Enderfive - town (confirmed by choco)
HKCaper - town (presumably)
Okx - watcher (uncc'd)
Roobarb Pie - doc (uncc'd)
Rune - ?
Shadow_Hunter3 - villager (confirmed)
TehBrian - ?
Unusual_Dood - ?
so everything looks pretty good, without taking any of the discussion of day 2 into account right now because i haven't gone through it in detail yet, looks like there's seven possible candidates for maf (including beta here since vill claims aren't exactly indicative of anything alignment-wise), so the odds of getting one when lynching between the unclaimed people and beta are pretty good
i'm also fairly convinced comp is responsible for shadow's death
what caused comp's death is open to discussion
AND NOW MOVING ON TO THE CLUSTERFUCK THAT IS DAY 2 SO FAR (unfiltered thoughts ahead, read at your own caution)
you could make the same arguments about duke or brian and they'd make more sense to me, so why pick aqua and "try to force a claim" when literally anything he could hope to claim without cc'ing anyone would be villager, which he would do anyway if he was maf
i just don't understand what your motivations behind this decision are if you really are the cop, as you say you are
his actions on day 1 are completely in line with what i'd expect from the cop if they thought they were getting lynched, yet his actions thus far on day 2 are confusing, to put it mildly
i must say that there are legitimate reasons for the maf to try and roleblock the cop instead of killing him, so your argument against him is flawed there, and i'm also not sure why aqua claiming would make mafia's life any easier, since the only unclaimed town roles left are villagers. if he claimed a pr, it would expose a maf and if he claimed villager, it doesn't really help the maf at all, although i guess it doesn't really have much of an adverse effect either.
still, though, i don't see any reason for a maf to try and push people to claim right now
if you think rune is suspicious, why not vote him instead of aqua and try and get the wagon rolling yourself?
i'm not saying it's impossible, but it's certainly not likely that he expected anyone to come to his rescue this late, it seems more like a cop thinking he'll get lynched giving everyone the small bit of info he has so far gathered in order to help the town along at least just a bit
there's so many of those poor attempts at emotional appeal from both choco and rune
it doesn't even help prove your point, just makes it look like you're desperate for some reason and i can't figure out a single reason why you would be
like in what world is that even remotely useful for them
your supposed reasoning is weak because a) getting rid of the cop is a victory even if it costs the maf one of their members and b) the chance of them hitting the cop (assuming choco is maf) is 1 in 8, and they need to kill in order to win the game
i want a copy of those mafia textbooks everyone seems to have lying around, because i sure as hell don't see anything "textbook" about any of what has been going on this day
what is there to gain by piling on aqua right now before even a fourth of the day phase is over (when you made your post, a grand total of 46 minutes of the phase had passed, which is a ridiculously small amount of time to have before trying to rush a lynch on someone)
you're saying nothing of real value, just empty emotional appeals all over
what i want to know is if anyone would like to cc either okx or choco now (hint, if you're either cop or watcher, you should cc now)
logically, there should be at least one counterclaim that comes out of this, since obviously either okx or choco is lying and now i'm pretty sure one of them is maf
which one is up for debate
you guys really need to start taking things with a grain of salt
also, fuck meta
situation at beginning of day 2:
Alisha - ?
Aqua - ?
BetaPanda - villager
ChocoFox - cop (uncc'd)
Duke - ?
Enderfive - town (confirmed by choco)
Okx - watcher (uncc'd)
Roobarb Pie - doc (uncc'd)
Rune - ?
TehBrian - ?
Unusual_Dood - ?
so everything looks pretty good, without taking any of the discussion of day 2 into account right now because i haven't gone through it in detail yet, looks like there's seven possible candidates for maf (including beta here since vill claims aren't exactly indicative of anything alignment-wise), so the odds of getting one when lynching between the unclaimed people and beta are pretty good
i'm also fairly convinced comp is responsible for shadow's death
what caused comp's death is open to discussion
AND NOW MOVING ON TO THE CLUSTERFUCK THAT IS DAY 2 SO FAR (unfiltered thoughts ahead, read at your own caution)
why would you think that and why does it matter
uh you okay there? you're way more upset at things than i'd expect anyone to be really
okay uh there's like practically zero explanation here why you're going after aqua, i mean, yeah, okay, he's been quiet, but "selectively jumping on certain people"? not sure what you mean by that because i'm not seeing it
you could make the same arguments about duke or brian and they'd make more sense to me, so why pick aqua and "try to force a claim" when literally anything he could hope to claim without cc'ing anyone would be villager, which he would do anyway if he was maf
i just don't understand what your motivations behind this decision are if you really are the cop, as you say you are
i agree with the overreaction part, although i'm not sure why he's overreacting
his actions on day 1 are completely in line with what i'd expect from the cop if they thought they were getting lynched, yet his actions thus far on day 2 are confusing, to put it mildly
i must say that there are legitimate reasons for the maf to try and roleblock the cop instead of killing him, so your argument against him is flawed there, and i'm also not sure why aqua claiming would make mafia's life any easier, since the only unclaimed town roles left are villagers. if he claimed a pr, it would expose a maf and if he claimed villager, it doesn't really help the maf at all, although i guess it doesn't really have much of an adverse effect either.
still, though, i don't see any reason for a maf to try and push people to claim right now
it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to figure the lynch mechanics out tbh
or comp hit the bomb and the maf factionkill was saved by the doc (roob this is where you swoop in to tell us who you saved)
i'm so confused by this
if you think rune is suspicious, why not vote him instead of aqua and try and get the wagon rolling yourself?
i honestly don't see how any of this exchange proves anything other than that choco is clearly unfamiliar (for better or worse) with how mafia is played here and is now acting strangely because he's still operating in the mindset of some other format
...what? first of all, choco did claim, he claimed he investigated roob but received no result, meaning he was blocked. whether that's true or not is a different matter, but all i'm getting from this post is that you're simply hopping on the wagon that rune is (very poorly) setting up
or maybe you're being hella paranoid and this whole thing is just incompatible playstyles
but he claimed on the exact last minute
i'm not saying it's impossible, but it's certainly not likely that he expected anyone to come to his rescue this late, it seems more like a cop thinking he'll get lynched giving everyone the small bit of info he has so far gathered in order to help the town along at least just a bit
idek any more
there's so many of those poor attempts at emotional appeal from both choco and rune
it doesn't even help prove your point, just makes it look like you're desperate for some reason and i can't figure out a single reason why you would be
i can dig the bomb idea but why on earth would the maf ever not submit a kill
like in what world is that even remotely useful for them
your supposed reasoning is weak because a) getting rid of the cop is a victory even if it costs the maf one of their members and b) the chance of them hitting the cop (assuming choco is maf) is 1 in 8, and they need to kill in order to win the game
another post devoid of any reasoning and full of empty bandwagoning
i want a copy of those mafia textbooks everyone seems to have lying around, because i sure as hell don't see anything "textbook" about any of what has been going on this day
why on earth are you rushing this so much
what is there to gain by piling on aqua right now before even a fourth of the day phase is over (when you made your post, a grand total of 46 minutes of the phase had passed, which is a ridiculously small amount of time to have before trying to rush a lynch on someone)
it's like you're channeling trump or something
you're saying nothing of real value, just empty emotional appeals all over
okay but why are you not using your own head to think maybe
the correct answer to that post is the post you're quoting
well this is certainly a development
what i want to know is if anyone would like to cc either okx or choco now (hint, if you're either cop or watcher, you should cc now)
logically, there should be at least one counterclaim that comes out of this, since obviously either okx or choco is lying and now i'm pretty sure one of them is maf
i mean it proves that one of them is
which one is up for debate
you guys really need to start taking things with a grain of salt
no
thank you for this small bit of sanity
okay but how can you say this and think that choco trying to get everyone who disagrees with him makes him mafia at the same time
also, fuck meta
okay but why are you not using your own head to think maybe
okay but why are you not using your own head to think maybe
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
so currently my thoughts are as follows:
-rune and choco are engaged in a battle that has zero substance and this is for some reason dominating most of the discussion so far
-unu is the only person i trust right now
-bandwagons will kill this town
-please don't bandwagon
-i cannot stress this enough
my thoughts on what we should do next:
-roob should def claim who he protected and why
-we wait a bit for any possible counterclaims to spring up (that means that anyone who finds that their role has already been claimed should counterclaim, since i don't think we have much to gain from keeping the power roles hidden any longer)
-depending on the counterclaims and roob's report we lynch either okx or choco
opinions?
-rune and choco are engaged in a battle that has zero substance and this is for some reason dominating most of the discussion so far
-unu is the only person i trust right now
-bandwagons will kill this town
-please don't bandwagon
-i cannot stress this enough
my thoughts on what we should do next:
-roob should def claim who he protected and why
-we wait a bit for any possible counterclaims to spring up (that means that anyone who finds that their role has already been claimed should counterclaim, since i don't think we have much to gain from keeping the power roles hidden any longer)
-depending on the counterclaims and roob's report we lynch either okx or choco
opinions?
It's mostly Rune bringing up bad arguments and Choco overreacting to them, yeah
Why does Choco already have four votes - I mean I find him more suspicious than Okx atm but still like everyone is rushing for no reason
I'm cool with that
I was really upset because I actually didn't want to claim yesterday and I outed myself because I read the signup thread and did not even realise that the no-lynch vote counted as the "player with most votes". If I knew that I would not have claimed. I would actually have gotten a useful cop report if I wasn't roleblocked.
I was mainly referring to how Aqua has been quiet like, the whole time yesterday and I was kinda desperate to force some talk out of him at least. I admit it was pretty rash but I felt like if we didn't take action fast we'd be in trouble.
I strongly read Rune as the traitor. Between traitor and Okx who I suspect is the Mafia roleblocker, I'd definitely be happier to go for Okx since the traitor has no night actions as far as I know.
You're right, I'm actually pretty scared right now, especially since I have outed myself. I argued with Rune because he jumped on me even though I claimed cop before and started wagoning me.
If Choco is lying my thoughts are that either HKCaper was the cop (however very unlikely imo) or that the real cop don’t want to out unless we are about to mislynch. Basically, why out to get choco lynched if people might lynch him anyway.
Same goes for Okx, however far less likely that another watcher exist as they had time to cc okx yesterday.
I investigated Roob because something about outing himself as doctor when nobody was pushing him D1 seemed fishy, again he could have been doing some circular wifom doctor strategy to prevent the Mafia from targeting him.
Either way I highly doubt anyone would CC a role like doctor if they were the real one. The doctor does not get any useful information unlike the investigative roles, which is why I wanted to confirm Roob's alignment.
Ok, but be aware of that false PRs can be disproven in other ways than a cop report. For instance by a watcher report where the visit doesn't correspond or if the real PR dies or counterclaims. PRs are also more likely to get killed by mafias which could make your result useless anyway.
Roobarb Pie who did you visit
Ummmm hi
I thought either Roobarb Pie, Okx and Choco were going to die last night because they had decent and important roles and were the only one who revealed their roles in Day 1, so it makes sense that the mafia would kill them but none of them died which is strange.
I think the mafia didn’t decide to kill them either because:
CHOCO:
A. The mafia decide not kill him and instead frame him as a mafia for not being dead last night, so the villagers will find him suspicious so they’ll lynch him.
B. He is actually one of the mafia and want’s to look like he’s a cop.
C. Mafia didn’t care (which is unlikely)
ROOBARB:
A. The mafia didn’t want to fall from his doctor claim bait and waited for the confirmation?
B. He is actually a mafia and wants to confuse the hell out of the villagers that he’s either a doctor or not (which i think might be a weird stragedy)
C. Mafia didn’t care (which is unlikely)
OKX:
A. Not really sure why the mafia didn’t kill him but i think mafia had other plans for him.
B. He’s actually the mafia.
C. Mafia didn’t care (which is unlikely)
Those are probably the possibilities ^
Other Possibility: I think one of them is a mafia and it’s the reason why they survived last night. one of them probably took HKCaper’s role and disguise themselves to trick the villagers that they are the real deal, however in the future we can manage to debunk their roles, by knowing if their reports are real or not. But there’s a chance that HKCaper is 50% likely a villager though.
There you go! those are my possibilities, i know that these werent really that helpful because some of them were already discussed.
I thought either Roobarb Pie, Okx and Choco were going to die last night because they had decent and important roles and were the only one who revealed their roles in Day 1, so it makes sense that the mafia would kill them but none of them died which is strange.
I think the mafia didn’t decide to kill them either because:
CHOCO:
A. The mafia decide not kill him and instead frame him as a mafia for not being dead last night, so the villagers will find him suspicious so they’ll lynch him.
B. He is actually one of the mafia and want’s to look like he’s a cop.
C. Mafia didn’t care (which is unlikely)
ROOBARB:
A. The mafia didn’t want to fall from his doctor claim bait and waited for the confirmation?
B. He is actually a mafia and wants to confuse the hell out of the villagers that he’s either a doctor or not (which i think might be a weird stragedy)
C. Mafia didn’t care (which is unlikely)
OKX:
A. Not really sure why the mafia didn’t kill him but i think mafia had other plans for him.
B. He’s actually the mafia.
C. Mafia didn’t care (which is unlikely)
Those are probably the possibilities ^
Other Possibility: I think one of them is a mafia and it’s the reason why they survived last night. one of them probably took HKCaper’s role and disguise themselves to trick the villagers that they are the real deal, however in the future we can manage to debunk their roles, by knowing if their reports are real or not. But there’s a chance that HKCaper is 50% likely a villager though.
There you go! those are my possibilities, i know that these werent really that helpful because some of them were already discussed.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
counterclaiming will give us two night action results, a clear lynch target and the doc will know who to save
contrast that with being torn between lynching between a possible watcher and cop, while risking the doc wasting their ability on a maf
if the counterclaim doesn't come, i'll have to assume that hk was either a watcher or a cop, since the other option means that the real watcher/cop is not thinking clearly by prioritising their own safety over what's best for the town as a whole
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