Am not!
Oh, oops, I forgot. I'll be serious.
Honestly, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference. If they want to claim they can? I don't see a downside, but I don't see a particular benefit either.
Lasagne Mafia - Game over
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Hockeyfan1852
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I'm just saying the odds of a random lynch go up as the game progresses. It is pretty unlikely there was any leads on the first night. My main point is we shouldn't be random lynching without any leads. I am willing to change my vote if there is a lead it is not set in stone.
Infected_alien8_
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Molten, Alisha, and to a lesser extent, Brian, are pinging my radar so far
I don't have very well-refined reasons, these are just sort of vague first impressions, so apologies if they're difficult to follow
Molten because:
1) His entrance felt stiff/rigid/awkward to me and he basically just repeated what others had said already without adding anything else. It felt like he posted for the sake of posting to blend in and I think mafia are a bit more likely to feel that kind of pressure than town, since I think town often have the comfort of the truth of their alignment on their side so they're less likely to go into the game trying to blend in since they feel as though they should naturally blend in because they're on the majority team.
And 2) because all of his posts since then have followed the same pattern of repeating what somebody else has said.
Alisha I find suspicious because her posts so far feel unusually grounded and like she's making quite a solid stance and feels confident/certain about what she's saying without having any town paranoia. She feels unusually assertive to me. Last game when she was town her posts felt quite floaty and unsure to me, contributing useful ideas but always having a nervous backbone to her posts if that makes sense. Like when someone says something that they believe, but you can tell they're having tiny doubts about what they're saying. It felt like that a lot to me last game. This game it feels weirdly confident, and I'm attributing that to lack of town paranoia because she's not town. It's early but that's my initial impression.
Quotes where I got this impression:
First, I don't fully buy his suspicion on me. It feels kinda like he felt the need to be suspicious of someone to look town and so chose me, and that's why his suspicion has no reason behind it and why it seemed so out of the blue to me (since I'd barely posted anything and it felt very random for him to suddenly ask if anyone else is suspicious of me with so little content to go by and with such little reason). I'm finding it difficult to understand where his read on me came from; it has no reason behind it and seemed very random and out of the blue since I've barely said anything. Because of that, it gives me the small impression that his read is faked. Brian doesn't seem like the type of person to fake reads as a townie, which leads me to think he faked it as mafia to seem like he was scumhunting and he didn't predict it'd come off as random/suspicious.
Second, his very first post rubbed me the wrong way slightly, I think just because it felt a bit waffley/unnecessarily detailed. Telling the vigilante they did a bad thing and saying why he thought so, despite that not going to change anything about what happened, then unpacking the 'should the kidnapped person claim' thought process in what seemed like quite an unnecessarily wordy way to me because it all seemed like common sense that didn't need to be said, and repeating the fact he was unsure about his opinion twice.
I can think of reasons for why he'd do these things as town too (e.g. wanting to tell the vigilante why it was bad so that they didn't do it in future; being new to forum mafia so thinking his thought process about the kidnap thing wasn't common sense since he's not used to thinking in this way, or saying his thought process to let us get a read on him or something). And I know Brian is quite a verbose person so this could easily be nothing and my gut says it is nothing, but when I read his first post I get a tiny scummy impression from it. I've tried to figure out why his waffley-ness seemed a little bit scummy to me here but I'm struggling to understand it. So it's just a vague impression that I'm not sure what to do with yet, but maybe you guys have some thoughts on it too.
I liked UNU's entrance to the game. The joke he made on his first post felt townie to me. I guess because it didn't feel forced or nervous to try to fit in or something, it felt like it came from a place of confidence, knowing he was town and not worrying about coming off as a bit weird. Also I have it in my mind that he's more likely to make a joke like that when he's town than when he's scum but I'm not sure how accurate that actually is.
Stranger I have a gut feeling is town. I have nothing concrete with this read at all, it's purely a gut/intuition thing. Also hi, I'm Inffy, nice to meet you
Hockey I also got a small gut town feeling from him, again nothing concrete.
Everyone else is a neutral read for me.
And here's my reads list in colour code to express where they are in my mind right now:
Molten (top suspect)
Alisha
TehBrian (couple things suspicious but gut says townie?)
Hockey
Stranger
UNU (top town)
I don't have very well-refined reasons, these are just sort of vague first impressions, so apologies if they're difficult to follow
Molten because:
1) His entrance felt stiff/rigid/awkward to me and he basically just repeated what others had said already without adding anything else. It felt like he posted for the sake of posting to blend in and I think mafia are a bit more likely to feel that kind of pressure than town, since I think town often have the comfort of the truth of their alignment on their side so they're less likely to go into the game trying to blend in since they feel as though they should naturally blend in because they're on the majority team.
And 2) because all of his posts since then have followed the same pattern of repeating what somebody else has said.
All of these are examples of content in his post that repeated what somebody else had just said before (actually a lot of it is repeating things from Alisha which may be of note). He did add a couple of things himself, like correcting hockey's statistics, but the amount of recycling points from others feels weird and unnatural. It gives me two impressions: 1) he's in a 'must blend in' mindset as a result of his mafia win condition, and as a result, he's ending up repeating what everyone else is saying. Or 2) that he's not confident in contributing posts because he knows he's hiding a dirty secret so the pressure makes him too scared to say much that comes from himself. There are other explanations for his behaviour of course but those are the two impressions I get when I read his posts.
Alisha I find suspicious because her posts so far feel unusually grounded and like she's making quite a solid stance and feels confident/certain about what she's saying without having any town paranoia. She feels unusually assertive to me. Last game when she was town her posts felt quite floaty and unsure to me, contributing useful ideas but always having a nervous backbone to her posts if that makes sense. Like when someone says something that they believe, but you can tell they're having tiny doubts about what they're saying. It felt like that a lot to me last game. This game it feels weirdly confident, and I'm attributing that to lack of town paranoia because she's not town. It's early but that's my initial impression.
Quotes where I got this impression:
And then Brian. My suspicion on Brian is pretty tiny and my gut says he's actually town and that the little things that pinged my radar here are just fluff to be ignored, but for the purposes of discussion I'm going to say my small doubts on him anyway.
First, I don't fully buy his suspicion on me. It feels kinda like he felt the need to be suspicious of someone to look town and so chose me, and that's why his suspicion has no reason behind it and why it seemed so out of the blue to me (since I'd barely posted anything and it felt very random for him to suddenly ask if anyone else is suspicious of me with so little content to go by and with such little reason). I'm finding it difficult to understand where his read on me came from; it has no reason behind it and seemed very random and out of the blue since I've barely said anything. Because of that, it gives me the small impression that his read is faked. Brian doesn't seem like the type of person to fake reads as a townie, which leads me to think he faked it as mafia to seem like he was scumhunting and he didn't predict it'd come off as random/suspicious.
Second, his very first post rubbed me the wrong way slightly, I think just because it felt a bit waffley/unnecessarily detailed. Telling the vigilante they did a bad thing and saying why he thought so, despite that not going to change anything about what happened, then unpacking the 'should the kidnapped person claim' thought process in what seemed like quite an unnecessarily wordy way to me because it all seemed like common sense that didn't need to be said, and repeating the fact he was unsure about his opinion twice.
I can think of reasons for why he'd do these things as town too (e.g. wanting to tell the vigilante why it was bad so that they didn't do it in future; being new to forum mafia so thinking his thought process about the kidnap thing wasn't common sense since he's not used to thinking in this way, or saying his thought process to let us get a read on him or something). And I know Brian is quite a verbose person so this could easily be nothing and my gut says it is nothing, but when I read his first post I get a tiny scummy impression from it. I've tried to figure out why his waffley-ness seemed a little bit scummy to me here but I'm struggling to understand it. So it's just a vague impression that I'm not sure what to do with yet, but maybe you guys have some thoughts on it too.
That's it for my scum impressions. Now onto my town impressions!
I liked UNU's entrance to the game. The joke he made on his first post felt townie to me. I guess because it didn't feel forced or nervous to try to fit in or something, it felt like it came from a place of confidence, knowing he was town and not worrying about coming off as a bit weird. Also I have it in my mind that he's more likely to make a joke like that when he's town than when he's scum but I'm not sure how accurate that actually is.
Stranger I have a gut feeling is town. I have nothing concrete with this read at all, it's purely a gut/intuition thing. Also hi, I'm Inffy, nice to meet you
Hockey I also got a small gut town feeling from him, again nothing concrete.
Everyone else is a neutral read for me.
And here's my reads list in colour code to express where they are in my mind right now:
Molten (top suspect)
Alisha
TehBrian (couple things suspicious but gut says townie?)
Hockey
Stranger
UNU (top town)
MoltenAshes
Member
My goal isn't to "blend in", although I can see where you're coming from with that. My main motive is that I'm agreeing with Alisha's points and reinforceing them into my own.Molten, Alisha, and to a lesser extent, Brian, are pinging my radar so far
I don't have very well-refined reasons, these are just sort of vague first impressions, so apologies if they're difficult to follow
Molten because:
1) His entrance felt stiff/rigid/awkward to me and he basically just repeated what others had said already without adding anything else. It felt like he posted for the sake of posting to blend in and I think mafia are a bit more likely to feel that kind of pressure than town, since I think town often have the comfort of the truth of their alignment on their side so they're less likely to go into the game trying to blend in since they feel as though they should naturally blend in because they're on the majority team.
And 2) because all of his posts since then have followed the same pattern of repeating what somebody else has said.
All of these are examples of content in his post that repeated what somebody else had just said before (actually a lot of it is repeating things from Alisha which may be of note). He did add a couple of things himself, like correcting hockey's statistics, but the amount of recycling points from others feels weird and unnatural. It gives me two impressions: 1) he's in a 'must blend in' mindset as a result of his mafia win condition, and as a result, he's ending up repeating what everyone else is saying. Or 2) that he's not confident in contributing posts because he knows he's hiding a dirty secret so the pressure makes him too scared to say much that comes from himself. There are other explanations for his behaviour of course but those are the two impressions I get when I read his posts.
Alisha I find suspicious because her posts so far feel unusually grounded and like she's making quite a solid stance and feels confident/certain about what she's saying without having any town paranoia. She feels unusually assertive to me. Last game when she was town her posts felt quite floaty and unsure to me, contributing useful ideas but always having a nervous backbone to her posts if that makes sense. Like when someone says something that they believe, but you can tell they're having tiny doubts about what they're saying. It felt like that a lot to me last game. This game it feels weirdly confident, and I'm attributing that to lack of town paranoia because she's not town. It's early but that's my initial impression.
Quotes where I got this impression:
And then Brian. My suspicion on Brian is pretty tiny and my gut says he's actually town and that the little things that pinged my radar here are just fluff to be ignored, but for the purposes of discussion I'm going to say my small doubts on him anyway.
First, I don't fully buy his suspicion on me. It feels kinda like he felt the need to be suspicious of someone to look town and so chose me, and that's why his suspicion has no reason behind it and why it seemed so out of the blue to me (since I'd barely posted anything and it felt very random for him to suddenly ask if anyone else is suspicious of me with so little content to go by and with such little reason). I'm finding it difficult to understand where his read on me came from; it has no reason behind it and seemed very random and out of the blue since I've barely said anything. Because of that, it gives me the small impression that his read is faked. Brian doesn't seem like the type of person to fake reads as a townie, which leads me to think he faked it as mafia to seem like he was scumhunting and he didn't predict it'd come off as random/suspicious.
Second, his very first post rubbed me the wrong way slightly, I think just because it felt a bit waffley/unnecessarily detailed. Telling the vigilante they did a bad thing and saying why he thought so, despite that not going to change anything about what happened, then unpacking the 'should the kidnapped person claim' thought process in what seemed like quite an unnecessarily wordy way to me because it all seemed like common sense that didn't need to be said, and repeating the fact he was unsure about his opinion twice.
I can think of reasons for why he'd do these things as town too (e.g. wanting to tell the vigilante why it was bad so that they didn't do it in future; being new to forum mafia so thinking his thought process about the kidnap thing wasn't common sense since he's not used to thinking in this way, or saying his thought process to let us get a read on him or something). And I know Brian is quite a verbose person so this could easily be nothing and my gut says it is nothing, but when I read his first post I get a tiny scummy impression from it. I've tried to figure out why his waffley-ness seemed a little bit scummy to me here but I'm struggling to understand it. So it's just a vague impression that I'm not sure what to do with yet, but maybe you guys have some thoughts on it too.
That's it for my scum impressions. Now onto my town impressions!
I liked UNU's entrance to the game. The joke he made on his first post felt townie to me. I guess because it didn't feel forced or nervous to try to fit in or something, it felt like it came from a place of confidence, knowing he was town and not worrying about coming off as a bit weird. Also I have it in my mind that he's more likely to make a joke like that when he's town than when he's scum but I'm not sure how accurate that actually is.
Stranger I have a gut feeling is town. I have nothing concrete with this read at all, it's purely a gut/intuition thing. Also hi, I'm Inffy, nice to meet you
Hockey I also got a small gut town feeling from him, again nothing concrete.
Everyone else is a neutral read for me.
And here's my reads list in colour code to express where they are in my mind right now:
Molten (top suspect)
Alisha
TehBrian (couple things suspicious but gut says townie?)
Hockey
Stranger
UNU (top town)
MoltenAshes
Member
Also I disagree with you on the "unnecessary to be said, because it's common sense" point you made on Brian. I've played countless of mafia games where town somehow misses even the most simpliest of things like common sense.
MoltenAshes
Member
Overall, I haven't been able to play with TehBrian much, but read stands like this.
If he's an newer mafia player, I lean him more likely towards being scum, as he seemed to push on Inffy for little reason.
If he's more experienced, I lean him more likely being town, as I find it unlikely he would bring that much attention towards himself as a mafia.
If he's an newer mafia player, I lean him more likely towards being scum, as he seemed to push on Inffy for little reason.
If he's more experienced, I lean him more likely being town, as I find it unlikely he would bring that much attention towards himself as a mafia.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
I agree that town can miss simple things sometimes, I guess I just thought what he was saying was something anyone who thought about whether the kidnapped should claim or not would think about for themselves and I didn't think anyone would miss that, but yeah it's possible and maybe that's why he said it (although he hasn't said that)
What's your opinion on Alisha?
Shadow_Hunter3
Shadow_Hunter3
Kinda forgot the game started >.<
As for kidnapped claiming I think they should, since its most likely maffia wouldnt kidnap another maffia.
Other than that dont have much on reads yet
As for kidnapped claiming I think they should, since its most likely maffia wouldnt kidnap another maffia.
Other than that dont have much on reads yet
There are numerous reasons to claim:
1) For a player who claims to be kidnapped we will know that they most likely is innocent. Mafia could also no-kidnap and claim they got kidnapped, but this first of all loses them a very powerful ability for a night.
2) A kidnap claim is info that is useful for tracker. If for instance the tracker tracked the x, figures that x visited y, and lated y claims to be kidnapped, he knows that y must be kidnapper. There are also other conclusions the tracker can make in certain other scenarios.
3) we will later when a player dies know that he was kidnapped.
I don’t like your «claim if you want to» thought. Even if you think there are no upsides with it I think a general rule of thumb is that you share all info unless there are downsides with it.
Alisha I'm honestly not sure what to think of at the moment. She seems to be actively avoiding having an actual opinion on anything at the moment, IMO. Which at this stage is a legit strategy, but she doesn't appear to be actively trying to add to the discussion either, which I guess makes me see her as slightly suspicious. I wouldn't lynch her yet, but I'd want to keep an eye on her and see if there's any indication she has some plan or agenda that doesn't match with the discussion here.
I'll also say that I'd lean towards Brian being town right now. He's behaving erratically enough for me to doubt that he has any sort of premeditated strategy, but there's still plenty of room for that to be an act and he could be trying to lead the town off a cliff like we're lemmings or something.
As for moltenashes, I definitely get the sense that he's hiding something. I seriously can't tell what yet, but he's very clearly trying to keep a low profile, and he's specifically avoiding pointing fingers the same way Alisha is. Which is a perfectly legit strategy as town at this point, to be fair, but I'd honestly be more comfortable if he would name a name or two for who he suspects.
I'll also say that I'd lean towards Brian being town right now. He's behaving erratically enough for me to doubt that he has any sort of premeditated strategy, but there's still plenty of room for that to be an act and he could be trying to lead the town off a cliff like we're lemmings or something.
As for moltenashes, I definitely get the sense that he's hiding something. I seriously can't tell what yet, but he's very clearly trying to keep a low profile, and he's specifically avoiding pointing fingers the same way Alisha is. Which is a perfectly legit strategy as town at this point, to be fair, but I'd honestly be more comfortable if he would name a name or two for who he suspects.
Comp
AoD Dev and Admin!
Morning, sorry I didn't post anything yesterday
Yeah brian always acts weird, tbh I usually can't tell if he's mafia weird or just being weird, so I wouldn't say he's suspicious or anything atm.
I'd imagine that both rollblocking mafia roles probably used their abilities last night, so potentially we could have two players who know they were blocked. As far as I can see, only a PR who performs some action would know of that? Or is it that a kidnapped player always is always aware of it too? idk
Yeah brian always acts weird, tbh I usually can't tell if he's mafia weird or just being weird, so I wouldn't say he's suspicious or anything atm.
I'd imagine that both rollblocking mafia roles probably used their abilities last night, so potentially we could have two players who know they were blocked. As far as I can see, only a PR who performs some action would know of that? Or is it that a kidnapped player always is always aware of it too? idk
Shadow_Hunter3
Shadow_Hunter3
what I got from twg is that everyone will know if they're kidnapped pr or not, but only pr's now that they're roleblocked
Votecount Day 1
No Lynch: [1/6] Hockeyfan1852
Not voting: [11] Alisha, Comp, HKCaper, Infected_alien8, MoltenAshes, Notme, Shadow_Hunter, Stranger from Planet 9, TehBrian, Timdood3 and Unusual_dood.
7 votes are required for a lynch.
6 votes are required for a no-lynch.
Deadline in 93 hours!
No Lynch: [1/6] Hockeyfan1852
Not voting: [11] Alisha, Comp, HKCaper, Infected_alien8, MoltenAshes, Notme, Shadow_Hunter, Stranger from Planet 9, TehBrian, Timdood3 and Unusual_dood.
7 votes are required for a lynch.
6 votes are required for a no-lynch.
Deadline in 93 hours!
Yes that works
Alisha is scum cus she made a penta post!
Am always in favor of lynching, dont know who id personaly go for yet. Havent made uo my mind yet where my vibes are this game. Had a vibe Comp was going to be scum, but im not rlly vibing that anymore.
Am always in favor of lynching, dont know who id personaly go for yet. Havent made uo my mind yet where my vibes are this game. Had a vibe Comp was going to be scum, but im not rlly vibing that anymore.
Gonna respond to a few things in no particular order because I don't feel like shuffling quotes around
Inffy's read on me;
Inffy on Molten;
Stranger's read on me;
Inffy's read on me;
Fair point since you're relying on meta reads; after how badly C9++ went, I'm course correcting and I want to push what I believe in more, rather than let myself be manipulated.
Inffy on Molten;
I noticed he's been following me too, but after C9++ where he consistently set off my scum radar despite being town, I'm giving him some leeway here until I develop a more concrete read on him.
Stranger's read on me;
Haha no. I already told Hockeyfan and Brian their reasons for their votes don't add up.