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Timdood3

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i havent played any mafia games with fantome but from knowing his personality + ww attitude? i would have expected some more strong opinions and presence within the game but alas hes been lurking
I agree that he hasn't contributed much (5 post and all memes), but I have a strong feeling he's town.
 

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I have concerns for an ability mass claim. <this can just be from lack of experience with blind setups though. It's not something that would have been done in open games after all

I'm for a role name mass claim though.
 

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Obviously, im in for claiming partial role names. think it would hinder scum enough to be worth it
claiming full role name, abilites and other things like coins, traits (actual or closer to massclaim) would be fine too imo. I won't actually cast a vote though cause i dont really care. I don't actually have an opinion on which is better for town, not really enough experience (though each game is different and ig idk if that would help anyways)
Tbh, I only read the first line and put you down as for it.
 

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also i literally said i was abstaining from the vote so im a little miffed you both put me as not neutral. is my saying i wasn't against it enough to be counted as positive anyways
Usually you always are saying "vote someone day zero" or start the game out strongly, any reason you are so passive? Seems like you're trying hard not to take a side, even though a mass claim will pretty much pave the direction of the game
 

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Usually you always are saying "vote someone day zero" or start the game out strongly, any reason you are so passive? Seems like you're trying hard not to take a side, even though a mass claim will pretty much pave the direction of the game
hmmhmmm in those games i usually need to stir the pot, so trying to get lynches early even when they arent going to happen is an important part of that. there's alot of more capable people here and i really dont have much of an opinion on massclaiming and whether it would be good for town or not. it's not like the town needs activity that would stem from it, and people have presented the pros and cons of the idea itself which seem decently balanced and not like either way is going to screw us over
 

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but maybe theres some sort of third party investor role that invests some money in stock and depending on the economic scale they either gain money or lose money (oops have i handed someone a good fake claim)
isn't notty called something 'investor'

As much as I'm against a massclaim right now I do actually think notty is town (minor 3rd vibes).

I don't see a circumstance in which mafia would ever push for a mass claim so early on in the game.
seems weird that as soon as notty votes you suddenly you say you think she's town and can't see why mafia would ever push for a massclaim so early on (since similarly to what UNU said it'd make sense if they all know each other's roles already + think they'd get away with it + get all the PRs out). it feels a bit like 'quick let me town read the person onto me to pacisfy them' since I just find it a bit strange you can't see a circumstance where mafia would push for a mass claim so early on

also if a RID killer does exist do you think their wincon is to be last man standing or simply be alive with the winning faction
the RID role doesn't have to be a killer either, alisha just mentioned RID 'may exist in some form' and told ltin that RID can apply to any kind of action

"RID stands for Role ID. It refers to a class of actions that require you to input the role name of your target correctly in order for the action to succeed. It's commonly used as a form of specialized killing in other games and communities, but can theoretically apply to any kind of action."

they could also be mafia/town instead of 3p

I don't see how it even matters if Mafia has roles that 'blend' in since not only would they have to come up with a result every single day but also they would claim this regardless of massclaim.

If them claiming a blending role is such a problem you'd have that problem in a few days anyways except then they have had plenty of time to make results up that targeted dead people.
since massclaiming reveals all of our PRs to the mafia. if mafia can easily blend in then the value of massclaim is reduced and it's arguably not worth throwing our roles away for anymore, even if it gets them more time to make better claims. once again it's weird how you seem to be so biased for a massclaim

but anyways after poke reminded me about how alisha wants to subvert expectations this game I'm no longer worried about it being similar to TPB in terms of helping mafia blend in since although, like i said earlier, it's possible she helped mafia with massclaiming in TPB since she thinks that makes games more balanced and still believes that and therefore despite wanting to subvert expectations wouldn't go as far as neglecting to make her game as balanced as possible, I feel like it's plausible she'd think she could balance a game well without doing that ^ and would want to, if she even considered the massclaim deal at all

but honestly the main reason I'm now ok with massclaiming is since it just seems really fun and this setup just somehow makes sense to be the one where we massclaim early and make it memorable in that way, imo

I agree that he hasn't contributed much (5 post and all memes), but I have a strong feeling he's town.
care to elaborate?

This statement is very interesting who else thinks that
why is that interesting?

This is also very interesting who agrees
why is this interesting as well?

another idea that i have (but i didnt want to say until massclaim but honestly i feel like we're never gonna get there actually have we had an actual vote yet nvm im changing my idea mid writing)

i call for a final vote on whether you agree with a mass claim or not (with coins and 'steals X times better than you' removed (i think thats for the best?))
aye!
 

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also in case it wasn't clear earlier I'm genuinely suspicious of aqua

passing up an oppurtunity to join omni in lynching me by deflecting it into a joke and then resisting for a while is really hmmmmmmmmmmmm, like I find it difficult to believe town aqua would do that and makes me think he's scared of getting confrontational
 
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