They Are Among Us [Game Complete!]
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Infected_alien8_
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(though he did end up clarifying this and I was fine with it in the end)
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what happened with pair isn't what happened with me, one is someone going back on their 'this is how I do day 0' post even though it didn't make sense, the other is someone changing how they feel about someone's alignment based on their gut feeling
Okay so I've finally read and gotten to a stance. We should 100% lynch either of Erik and Unu. We know 1 is cop, the other is lying. It is a 50/50 chance of us lynching a mafia (or alien rather), which is excellent odds within mafia. I'll admit that I am conflicted between which of Unu and Erik to lynch, therefore I'll sum up my thoughts on both and then come to a conclusion.
First off UNU, now unusual was rather... quiet before his cop claim. What I mean with that was not that he barely posted, but also his posts were not *that* valuable. Then he gets susp-read by a some and has a vote on him, and decides to claim cop:
I'd also like to add this last point that I originally thought was a bit suspicious but at a second glance may be *not so relevant*. It was that Unu claimed right after, and with a similar spelling as Erik.
Before Erik claimed I'll admit that I leaned towards him being town, ie what inffy said about made really sense in my mind. He seemed very genuine about his items and his views which made me lean him towards town. After Unu's claim it didn't really seem like he changed his behaviour too much - I mean he was questioning Unu beyond what others did. Jumping to Erik's claim I'll admit I was under the impression that Unu was cop (seeing as he hadn't been counterclaimed or challanged yet), and Erik's claim didn't make sense to me; Why would a mafia counterclaim? I couldn't find any good motivation behind it, maybe he wanted to save Pairjax? I didn't really make sense for me that he'd claim cop in a situation like this if he was mafia. Of course I read back at what he had said and IMO they were really interesting.
What caught my eye is that Erik is already questioning Unu. Erik is already determined here to cc unu's cop claim, I don't really see why he would set himself up as a cop cc at that point. It was in the cards that he wasn't no. 1 priority on the chopping block, Unu also pointed out inffy to lynch. I mean a mafia would maybe just accept Unu's claim rather than actively questioning it from the start. If Erik's mafia then this would be a really good play.
I'll admit that my post isn't 100% nuanced - about halfway into writing about unu, it made sense for me that Unu is the mafia. However I will also point out a one thing about Erik that didn't really make sense to me. It's his jump from Unu to Fog. Like, yes he said it was because it seemed more likely for Fog to be lynched than Unu, but you know 100% Unu is lying if you are the cop. There should be no doubt in Erik's mind. He wouldn't find a "compromise" - no he would go for the one he knew with certainty is scum. This throws me off a bit, however it's still in my mind that Erik likely is the cop.
Also one final thing. OFC I searched up the names (i dont assume this is meta), and Pinkterton is actually a detective agency ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency) ). I wouldn't take this as too much of proof since Erik could've known of it's existance and used it, but still funny.
I hope this post was enlightning and I'm sorry for the lack of structure in my post, but it's getting late and I want to sleep soon!
Vote unu
First off UNU, now unusual was rather... quiet before his cop claim. What I mean with that was not that he barely posted, but also his posts were not *that* valuable. Then he gets susp-read by a some and has a vote on him, and decides to claim cop:
Immediately you notice that this is not an usual defensive cop trying to save their lives. Not only was unu far from being lynched. But his post also is mostly about... getting Infected lynched for some reason. I mean as soon as infected votes him, and *wham* he instantly jumps to the conclusion that Infected is mafia. What I would expect from someone is to speculate, you know maybe ask around and see if their hypothesis is correct. And we really don't see anything of that here - I mean this is the first post he mentions Infected. Now he ends the post with a - sort of - subtle cop claim, "btw im cop". It begs the question - why? I thought and began thinking and looking through unu's responses:
None of these answers satisfy me. Firstly I believe Unu would wait longer with claiming. I think he'd be saying that Inf was suspicious at first - then later drop the bomb. I think Unu would do a more a childish play of waiting till the end of day before claiming cop (if he truly was). "ha, don't lynch me! see i was right all the time" <- how he'd format it. No I don't believe Unu is cop after what we've seen.
I'd also like to add this last point that I originally thought was a bit suspicious but at a second glance may be *not so relevant*. It was that Unu claimed right after, and with a similar spelling as Erik.
ABOUT ERIK:
Before Erik claimed I'll admit that I leaned towards him being town, ie what inffy said about made really sense in my mind. He seemed very genuine about his items and his views which made me lean him towards town. After Unu's claim it didn't really seem like he changed his behaviour too much - I mean he was questioning Unu beyond what others did. Jumping to Erik's claim I'll admit I was under the impression that Unu was cop (seeing as he hadn't been counterclaimed or challanged yet), and Erik's claim didn't make sense to me; Why would a mafia counterclaim? I couldn't find any good motivation behind it, maybe he wanted to save Pairjax? I didn't really make sense for me that he'd claim cop in a situation like this if he was mafia. Of course I read back at what he had said and IMO they were really interesting.
(this is the post right after unu claimed)
What caught my eye is that Erik is already questioning Unu. Erik is already determined here to cc unu's cop claim, I don't really see why he would set himself up as a cop cc at that point. It was in the cards that he wasn't no. 1 priority on the chopping block, Unu also pointed out inffy to lynch. I mean a mafia would maybe just accept Unu's claim rather than actively questioning it from the start. If Erik's mafia then this would be a really good play.
I'll admit that my post isn't 100% nuanced - about halfway into writing about unu, it made sense for me that Unu is the mafia. However I will also point out a one thing about Erik that didn't really make sense to me. It's his jump from Unu to Fog. Like, yes he said it was because it seemed more likely for Fog to be lynched than Unu, but you know 100% Unu is lying if you are the cop. There should be no doubt in Erik's mind. He wouldn't find a "compromise" - no he would go for the one he knew with certainty is scum. This throws me off a bit, however it's still in my mind that Erik likely is the cop.
Also one final thing. OFC I searched up the names (i dont assume this is meta), and Pinkterton is actually a detective agency ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency) ). I wouldn't take this as too much of proof since Erik could've known of it's existance and used it, but still funny.
I hope this post was enlightning and I'm sorry for the lack of structure in my post, but it's getting late and I want to sleep soon!
Vote unu
Infected_alien8_
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Don't worry erik and fog are bussing, and me and pair are town!
Haven't quite got time to read the rest yet, but: we'll still have that 50/50 tomorrow as well. Either that or a 100% mafia lynch. There's no harm in waiting to let them try to get reports before potentially killing the real cop, unless the liar is a powerful mafia PR who we'd need to kill asap. I'm willing to risk that though for the sake of a report
There's a difference between defending someone and very clearly explaining their mindset to such an extent that you've written their own defense for them.
It has everything to do with your alignment lol. It determines that Erik/Inf are probably w/t. Whether you're the w or Erik is the w I have no clue. But there's a w in there.
You gave Erik a perfect defense and he immediately latched on to it. Either you jumping in to save him was TMI or you were genuine and Erik decided to sheep you for an easy out.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
If my defence is entirely rooted in that, what else do you expect me to do? If I have a town-read on someone because I think I understand their mindset, then I'm gonna share it to best persuade people not to kill them.
No, it doesn't. Not erik latching onto me alone. Else give me an example of how erik latching onto me says something about my alignment, except for if we're both mafia.
Woah, sorry for dropping off the face of the Earth there. My internet has been really sucky lately :/
I think claiming a role so early on is quite sus. Unu is the most sus since he did it to "save himself" but we now have a counterclaim moment happening and I'm not sure how to think. Unu is the most suspicious for me but Erik is almost equally so...
I'm not entirely sure yet, I get a neutral vibe right now but I sense a sort of 'desperate-ness' about them
As I will have to inevitably reiterate, let me further break it down:
You clearly defend Erik. Erik clearly loves your defense.
Scum!Inf could be sloppy. I give a nod to the experience of Scum!Inf in assuming they wouldn't outwardly back a partner like that.
I assume Scum!Erik understands mafia reasonably. As such, he wouldn't outwardly accept the backing of partner Scum!Inf.
Now this equals a world where Scum!Inf and Scum!Erik are a possibility, of course, but rather unlikely.
Both have acted wolfy in their own manners, so I'm confident in saying it's w/t in here.
You clearly defend Erik. Erik clearly loves your defense.
Scum!Inf could be sloppy. I give a nod to the experience of Scum!Inf in assuming they wouldn't outwardly back a partner like that.
I assume Scum!Erik understands mafia reasonably. As such, he wouldn't outwardly accept the backing of partner Scum!Inf.
Now this equals a world where Scum!Inf and Scum!Erik are a possibility, of course, but rather unlikely.
Both have acted wolfy in their own manners, so I'm confident in saying it's w/t in here.
That is definitely a fair point for Erik.
And, assuming good guy Erik, Inf defending the so confidently definitely equals TMI then.
Doing a little dance with Unu helped to distance between two partners. I can see that world for sure.
I don't really like to postpone lynches since everyone comes with a different attitude the next morning aswell as the mafia can coordinate stuff - what if unu/erik has a valuable item they can drop to their teammates? Still, seeing the reality of this situation (that an unu lynch for once isn't possible... I guess I wouldn't either mind lynching Fog atm.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
Literally all that post says is 'they're not a team'. Which is what I'm saying, it only means something about my alignment if you think we have to be a team. Otherwise it means nothing, because the other combinations are all still possible to you.
Can you give me a quick guide of the letter/letter thing? I get the format, I just don't know what the letters mean. I would assume t for town, but I don't get what w is, and I saw you do v/v/v earlier and I was confused then too.
Finna make a PowerPoint presentation and lay this out for you.
If you mean it doesn't perfectly say your alignment, then, well, no shit. I don't know anything for certain. I'm going by interactions and assumptions because that's the best there is right now. Obviously all other combos are still possible. Without any investigations or flips, there are no certainties. I'm not claiming otherwise.