why do you think Unu is town?
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why do you think Unu is town?
Also, why do you think HK is scum?
All depends on an Unu flip no matter what. TWG could have easily made the post d0 against Unu to cover up his TMI of Erik, but that's unlikely. Unu wasn't trending towards the lynch and looked slated to survive another day b/c the cop claims were going to be sorted by maf. Would be a premature bus attempt.
Yikes
In hindsight yeah, vote was bad b/c it was town. You speak as if you knew that in the moment.
You seem pretty certain of Inf/want to vote there, so don't know why you wouldn't be invested in the flip at all. If you're not going to get on either of those wagons, propose another. Standing out like this is NAGL.
Meat-deficient posting. Inf has been theorycrafting about Unu and TWG, hasn't pushed for a lynch hard at all. Been annoyingly specific on details, true, but that's par for the course.
Feel like you threw this out there to cash in on the anti-Inf train.
I claimed my items a while ago. To reiterate: 20 carat diamond, camera
If there is a 'junk' category I most likely fit it; no descriptions/no apparent uses for either
Considering Erik was suspicious at beginning of D0 and he was the one that sparked item discussion, not surprising that a town would be hesitant. I was against claiming it all that early since maf can easily identify what they need/what to keep away from town. If TWG's item is as powerful as is implied, wanting to keep it secret at D0, when there are absolutely no concrete reads and a complete lack of trust, is reasonable to assume.
Seems unbalanced to me. By the time town would get the item, considering that maf team is most likely small, it wouldn't really be useful.
Kinda assume maf are dumb enough to not understand you'd be trying to complete a blueprint. And seeing as these items are quite varied, maf can always fakeclaim.
Also, this suggests town has a night thief and maf has a day thief, despite a big part of your claim hinging on the fact that maf wouldn't have an additional way to steal items from the town. Now, suddenly it's "fairly likely?"
And town also has two messenger roles? Do you see that what you're assuming is starting to look unbalanced and weird?
If you need to kill or rob 2 maf to get it, by that time it's late game and its use isn't nearly as useful as it could be. Plus, in a world were D0 claiming madness didn't happen, Erik had cop power and could investigate. Maf hoarding that item makes no sense.
The really light 'don't trust' stance on Unu is pinging me, especially if what you say after this comment is true. There are about a billion red flags in that conversation.
Yeah in that case you immediately try and get that info out or push Unu into questioning. That screams sus all over it. And I dunno how he can claim to protect all important roles unless he's a god at reads and knows all the town prs rn.
What further confuses me is that you put me POE earlier, but you have not been suspicious of me at all. Unu and I essentially have competing claims, and you trusted him because of the Sheriff tag, yet my lack of that tag doesn't strike you at all?
Like prior posting, looking like a TMI slip. Hard to imagine town not being somewhat invested in questioning my claim.
Still doesn't make sense. The whole Sheriff thing, Unu's method of claiming/D0 crap, etc. It's not compatible with my role.
Plus, AFAIK my chat isn't anonymous, Unu's would be. Ergo, it's easier to share when you know who you're dealing with. Unu could have easily played it straight and not outed himself in the chat, assuming an ideal world where the cc-ing doesn't happen D0.
Two town messengers doesn't make sense in such a small game, and the differences in their abilities is off. As I also said earlier, balance-wise it's completely unfair to the town to have two roles so similar that they will always cc themselves, which means maf gets two free lynches without needing to do anything.
Yeah this is why you're still scum to me. There's no reason why Unu doesn't get flipped today.
POE for the record is still Unu/Inf/Sess + HK, preference on Sess
Current role claims/info:
Good Skele - N/A
Inffy - item thief, night phase
Fog - Vanilla
HKCaper - N/A
Timdood3 - item inventory investigator
Unusual_Dood - Sheriff X/Anonymous chat creator
Sessybessy - Vanilla
Pairjax - N/A
erik5456 - cop/doc double whammy
TheWeakGuy48_ - N/A
MarsKid - chat creator
if I missed any lmk
Current role claims/info:
Good Skele - N/A
Inffy - item thief, night phase
Fog - Vanilla
HKCaper - N/A
Timdood3 - item inventory investigator
Unusual_Dood - Sheriff X/Anonymous chat creator
Sessybessy - Vanilla
Pairjax - N/A
erik5456 - cop/doc double whammy
TheWeakGuy48_ - N/A
MarsKid - chat creator
if I missed any lmk
Explain these red flags.
I did try to push info out of Unu but he refused to tell me anything, he claimed that getting me killed by mafia would result in an extra day/night for a PR.
I assume he doesn’t want my items since I told him what they were and he didn’t seem that interested. Why would he visit me if he suspected I was town in the first place?
could you direct me to your claim? I must’ve missed it.
also why did inf steal TWG’s items? Have we had an explanation for that action yet?
Well, wanting to lynch you, for starters.
I should have been more clear; why didn't you push him during this day phase?
#504
This ain't about Inf rn tho, this is you and me.
oh thought you were directing at me
I did explain this red flag but Inf kinda shrugged it off
I haven’t heard much from him
I don’t understand why Unu would want me lynched/killed? That’s my biggest confusion, I haven’t seen him around today.
If I roleclaimed (or hint at it) and someone else had already then that would raise suspicion on my part massively and get me lynched
If I roleclaimed (Hint) and someone else hadn’t already then mafia would lynch me if they believed my claim.
It seems as thought Unu knows something is up.
I explained that to Inf but he just seemingly shrugged it off
If I roleclaimed (or hint at it) and someone else had already then that would raise suspicion on my part massively and get me lynched
If I roleclaimed (Hint) and someone else hadn’t already then mafia would lynch me if they believed my claim.
It seems as thought Unu knows something is up.
I explained that to Inf but he just seemingly shrugged it off
More speculation re: finder blueprint
Erik's was doc/cop, meaning investigations were never guaranteed. It can be assumed at some point Erik would prioritize healing over checking, or could even outright favor healing, meaning that a cop clear/reveal would never be a given.
Thus, makes more sense for town to start with a check blueprint when their cop role wouldn't always be doing cop things.
Erik's was doc/cop, meaning investigations were never guaranteed. It can be assumed at some point Erik would prioritize healing over checking, or could even outright favor healing, meaning that a cop clear/reveal would never be a given.
Thus, makes more sense for town to start with a check blueprint when their cop role wouldn't always be doing cop things.
from me?
I’m not entirely sure what you want me to say about that, do you want me to think you’re suspicious?
Well you were sus of Unu, then put me in your POE when I asked, and now you're back on Unu/Inf without ever pushing me. I'm wondering why you don't think I'm sus rn or why you never questioned my claim even though it's incompatible w/Unu if their claim is true
Didn’t read your claim, why do you want me to be suspicious of you though? If anything me being suspicious of Unu gets one more person off of your back
And I don't want you to be suspicious. I'm questioning why two players just cc'd each other and you never once indicated suspicion for one of them despite the fact their roles outwardly conflict.
In a cc situation, there's almost always a scum caught. Didn't get the sense you were doubting me at all and you didn't question me at all. When I asked you to go deeper w/your read you kinda left me hanging and seemed to give up, and now it's back against Unu. At the same time, you have yet to take a particularly strong stance whatsoever and just seem to be voicing a general sr on Inf and Unu, but not acting on it.
It's hard to believe you saw Unu claim and then did not see any of the following discussion wherein I claimed and was questioned by Inf & Tim.
In a cc situation, there's almost always a scum caught. Didn't get the sense you were doubting me at all and you didn't question me at all. When I asked you to go deeper w/your read you kinda left me hanging and seemed to give up, and now it's back against Unu. At the same time, you have yet to take a particularly strong stance whatsoever and just seem to be voicing a general sr on Inf and Unu, but not acting on it.
It's hard to believe you saw Unu claim and then did not see any of the following discussion wherein I claimed and was questioned by Inf & Tim.
It's less about finding me suspicious and questioning why a cc situation came and went and you seem singularly driven vs. Unu, but at the same time your drive doesn't feel very genuine or supported. I get the same sense from your pushes against Inf.
yet I’m questioning Unu’s claim ?
And you said you didn't see my claim, but you still sus'd be earlier, and you still never questioned me or took that stance further. You seemed to have dropped it, and you're accepting my claim as we speak.
Cherry-picked my quote to suit you and I don't care for that.
Cherry-picked my quote to suit you and I don't care for that.
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
a premature bus attempt is absolutely part of TWG's maf meta (or at least, was)
yeah that's why I said 'or trying to start a discussion about whether item claiming was a good idea', if he didnt want to just outright propose we massclaim items outright
i wasnt suggesting he wouldnt still keep the item itself a secret though
but yeah like I said I can think of thought processes which would lead him to not do anything about it, reasonable ones
no, I knew maf would understand I was trying to complete a blueprint. my point was that if I proposed massclaiming, I predict I'd have to explain what the blueprint is, specifically, to convince people to go through with it despite concerns about massclaiming. with just asking for three items i didnt think i would have to out what the blueprint is, so if maf didnt know about the blueprint already, itd be left to their imaginations to guess what it did, which may lead them to think its not all that scary as what it actually is, and therefore not risking lying about their items for (bearing in mind i can check for their items and so can possibly other townies, to their mind). but if I explained what the blueprint was then they'd like 100% lie since it would be worth doing it.
yeah, bearing in mind the item i have, i dont think its unlikely maf has a thief anymore. i know it doesnt bode well for my claim but its my true opinion, and i came to that conclusion a while ago and mentioned it previously
you should probably stop assuming what the item is or isn't before making points about what's balanced and what isn't, or how useful it is at different stages of the game
yeah i mean true, one role being anonymous and the other not being is weird. it does make more sense for the maf to have an anonymous one i guess. maybe my intuition is just plain wrong and unu is scum im just so confused this game
i mean id rather get maf asap in case they're PR/can win after 2 mislynches so if i scumread hk more than UNU then it makes sense to get hk
but i mean idk anymore, your last point about the two claims being slightly different is a good point that i was overlooking and hadnt thought about properly, probably since i just feel UNU is town, and that you are as well
maf wasting a kill on a vanilla would protect town PRs for another day
I think you make some really good points about sessy in this post btw
i asked you to clarify whether he said he wanted to lynch you or have you nightkilled. you said nightkilled. is that wrong?
because if youre vanilla and you/unu hint you're pr, maf kill you tonight, which is better than killing a better town role. maf are gonna kill someone, its best they kill a vanilla.
it makes sense, is a town thing to suggest, and unu made 0 attempt at trying to get you to out the fact he suggested that. if he were maf the sole reason why he suggested this to you would be to look townie, so the lack of attempt to show the game that he did that by trying to nudge you into talking about it is yet another reason i have to townread him (and i forgot to mention this earlier i think)
and what do you mean 'it seems as thought Unu knows something is up.'? knows you're scummy?
and yeah sessybessy if you said mars was suspicious earlier, then he claimed a similar role to UNU who you kinda trust cuz his name is sheriff, why did you drop suspicion on mars and only focus on UNU? thats what mars is getting at and its a good point
Unusual_Dood where are you
I didn’t see your claim in the ocean of other posts, I can’t find it either
I didn’t see the claim, can’t find it and I’m focused on him because he wants me killed which I think is highly scummy because that’s just another town member dead and mafia will be one step closer to a win
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
(ik he could've been waiting for sessy to eventually out it since if she did that without him showing any nudging attempts, itd look even better for him than if he'd have visibly nudged her to say it since people might notice that and then he doesnt look quite as townie anymore. but like, waiting for sessy would've been incredibly risky considering how suspicious he was + how sessy made 0 indication of outing this info yet - if it were me id be panicking that id be lynched before sessy decided to out it at all. but thats assuming unu thought it was possible he could be lynched far before the deadline, which i guess i cant assume. if it were me itd 100% be something i was scared of though bearing in mind i cc'd the cop.)