Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

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Vatumok said:
Fog still comes over as townie to me, Aqua seems confident which makes me think he is town although I do find it weird that he seems very pressed to lynch town aligned people just because they are sinners. I could see Aqua play as confident devil's helper just trying to push some early mislynches. If someone's from the sinner pool is scum I'd say it's most likely Alisha. For the rest I haven't really changed my view except that Inffy also doens't feel great to me, from what I've seen (and I mightve missed stuff in most pages) he mostly is just asking people questions without being too productive. (might be hypocritical as I'm also not helping a lot but the point stands)
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i think this is the most misrepresented ive ever felt in a mafia game

also can you answer my question i tagged you in
 
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Fog said:
I'll add that to the list of people I'm partnered with <3
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it's actually a serious meta read, one of the few i can conjure up. i know one thing about arjen in mafia, and that is that he usually sticks up for his teammates as maf. ofcourse its no guarantee that both of you are mafia, but since you feel quite scummy, arjen defending you could indicate both of you are scum.
 
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HKCaper said:
it's actually a serious meta read, one of the few i can conjure up. i know one thing about arjen in mafia, and that is that he usually sticks up for his teammates as maf. ofcourse its no guarantee that both of you are mafia, but since you feel quite scummy, arjen defending you could indicate both of you are scum.
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does he actually try to save them or just throw a townread and not do much else as a kind of 'see if we were buddies i wouldnt do this' tactic
 
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Infected_alien8_ said:
does he actually try to save them or just throw a townread and not do much else as a kind of 'see if we were buddies i wouldnt do this' tactic
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actually try to save them, (i know this contrasts what i said last game about me having bad memory of past games) i remember him defending a fellow maf (or perhaps even me) even when it felt pointless and was possibly even suspicious to do so.
 
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HKCaper said:
actually try to save them, (i know this contrasts what i said last game about me having bad memory of past games) i remember him defending a fellow maf (or perhaps even me) even when it felt pointless and was possibly even suspicious to do so.
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ok

the reason i ask is since i dont get the sense hes putting any real effort into saving fog at all, it was just a small comment and he didnt really do anything about it like making a proper defence/reason for why fog is town, or make a proper argument against someone else
 
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Infected_alien8_ said:
idk how i feel about vat v2

his posts are very low engagement and his 'read' of me is bogus as far as im concerned, even if he missed some stuff i find it hard to believe that opinion is genuine

but is he not better at scum than this

maybe not??
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What does meta mean?
I agree, it seems as though Vatumok is just dodging questions at this point, his posts are few and far between.

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when you look how little he posts, a post like this where he defends fog quite a bit, is significant in my eyes.
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Fog x Vat scum buds? ?
 
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Idk man, both Fog and Vat are super sus to me. Especially Fog's sudden roleclaim and then a bit of a 'panic' (for need of a better word) when told to explain why they claimed. Like it's been said Vat does defend his mafia team (seen in past games) so this defending of Fog makes me believe they're mafia scum buds trying to keep each other alive.
 
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sessybessy said:
What does meta mean?
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meta is like, reads based off of past games

so for example, hk saying 'vat usually behaves this way as scum' is meta

also sessy can i just get confirmation on something while youre here - if you had to choose yes or no, would you say it was a good idea to make a deal with the devil day 0? you answered before but i wasnt sure what your conclusion ultimately was
 
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Infected_alien8_ said:
also

HKCaper Vatumok sessybessy Good Skele Unusual_Dood MarsKid

what's your stance on making a deal with the devil day 0? do you agree that it's a bad move and that it shouldn't be done?

can each of you answer please thank
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I stil think it is likely a trade will cause a small instant consequence, but if the deals keep happening they may eventually lead to severe consequences, possibly loss. so no I don't think it's a good idea to make deals with the devil.

And I also say no to a mass claim. We're practically still in d0, and if we hand out our PRs, mafias may coordinate accordingly making most of our PRs up to useless.
 
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these alisha

ive also included an argument i made about fog which you didnt respond to and i want to know what you think of it/whether your opinion of fog changed

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so what fights have i avoided getting into? if you think i'm selectively picking fights then surely that means you've seen potential fights that i ignored and only went with ones you think i'd think would be easy to win?
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i wouldnt say fog was that likely to be lynched today, or that he had reason to think he was, so yeah while getting lynched a day from now instead of today is better, there was no real reason to be that concerned about dying today that you decide to lock in your death for tomorrow instead, when he could've lasted even longer than that. i dont agree that fog claiming would've made a single mislynch more likely because as of the end of yesterday you were the most scumread and there was no reason to believe that was any different today i dont think, and fog claiming wouldn't change that. so regardless of whether youre scum or town it'd still probably result in you being lynched, so claiming wouldn't have resulted in no significant change of likelihood of a mislynch, and i dont see why fog would disagree with that at the time when he claimed


you said yourself it made logical sense for me to back down. the sole reason i suspected you was since i thought you said 'misinterpreted', i realized i misread it. are you saying as town id have continued to think you were scum despite having no reason to believe that anymore?


do you really think that'd save you? say if skele was nightkilled, do you think town would go 'huh weird skele died, maybe alisha's innocent after all'

people could easily think 'i guess maybe they didn't target aqua/inf because they feared that would confirm aqua and inf were on the right track so they targeted someone else and hoped it'd put people off the lynch' and continue being suspicious of you, and i couldve easily killed a threatening PR night 1 simultaneously
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Infected_alien8_ said:
i think you meant aqua not inf

i still think beta is like 65% scum

aqua's the only who thinks scum didnt get the role names, i disagree with him, i think they easily could have done
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