Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Alisha]

I said I would hammer if we got the votes for you - which we didn't so why vote for somebody who I thought was town?

w h a t

we had the votes for me at the end

 

[Alisha]

...aw fuck it was lynch in 2, not 1

 

[Infected_alien8_]

so what fights have i avoided getting into? if you think i'm selectively picking fights then surely that means you've seen potential fights that i ignored and only went with ones you think i'd think would be easy to win?

i answered this one

where?

fog claiming is irrelevant, he had failed to be hammered when he promised to so he already had a reason to be suspected

he might have reason to be suspected yeah but not reason to believe he was so likely to be lynched today that he should lock his death in for tomorrow. at the time he claimed noone said they'd want to lynch him other than you. i said id be most likely voting you and noone else said anything i dont think

 

[Alisha]

where?

i dont remember but i basically said it felt like you were avoiding me at first and aqua and hk

wait i didnt say hk but now i think its hk too!

 

[Fog]

Alisha I'm gonna do a Sandra and say I'm up for voting anybody, as long as it isn't me <3

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i dont remember but i basically said it felt like you were avoiding me at first and aqua and hk

wait i didnt say hk but now i think its hk too!

oh, i quoted my response to that as another thing you didnt respond to

where i say that you already said it made sense for me to back down on you, so why do you now disagree? why do you think as town i would continue to tunnel you even though my one point against you was refuted?

 

[Alisha]

oh, i quoted my response to that as another thing you didnt respond to

where i say that you already said it made sense for me to back down on you, so why do you now disagree? why do you think as town i would continue to tunnel you even though my one point against you was refuted?

it feels like a symptom of a pattern

 

[Infected_alien8_]

and why do you think i was ignoring aqua

i gave a neutral read on him but for you to think thats coming from a scum me rather than a town me, you must think my neutral read was ignoring stuff and it was unreasonable? so why is that?

 

[Alisha]

he might have reason to be suspected yeah but not reason to believe he was so likely to be lynched today that he should lock his death in for tomorrow. at the time he claimed noone said they'd want to lynch him other than you. i said id be most likely voting you and noone else said anything i dont think

i thought it was lynch in one so now my point there whatever it was just evaporated

 

[Alisha]

unvote

 

[Infected_alien8_]

it feels like a symptom of a pattern

but it doesnt make sense

if you include symptoms that arent valid when looking at a pattern then your pattern is going to be flawed

the pattern is that i ignored you, aqua and hk

so basically you're saying 'you didnt try to lynch us three, so youre scum!', ignoring whether i maybe just genuinely didnt want to lynch any of you because you were all not my scumreads

if you are somehow town then you have major confirmation bias on me

 

[Alisha]

and why do you think i was ignoring aqua

i gave a neutral read on him but for you to think thats coming from a scum me rather than a town me, you must think my neutral read was ignoring stuff and it was unreasonable? so why is that?

i felt like even though aqua had a neutral read you were avoiding calling him out for his wanting to lynch sinners despite the theory at the time being the devil wanted sinners dead

 

[Alisha]

but it doesnt make sense

if you include symptoms that arent valid when looking at a pattern then your pattern is going to be flawed

the pattern is that i ignored you, aqua and hk

so basically you're saying 'you didnt try to lynch us three, so youre scum!', ignoring whether i maybe just genuinely didnt want to lynch any of you because you were all not my scumreads

if you are somehow town then you have major confirmation bias on me

thats a misrepresentation of what i meant

i meant that you only built cases against people you felt could reasonably get

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i felt like even though aqua had a neutral read you were avoiding calling him out for his wanting to lynch sinners despite the theory at the time being the devil wanted sinners dead

i told him i didnt agree several times

unless by 'calling him out' you mean scumreading him for it

in which case, i just didnt scumread him for it, his theory wasnt that the devil wanted sinners dead it was that the devil needed sinners alive, and i was saying that was a bad assumption to make, but we argued over assumptions last game and he was town so it didnt mean much to me

 

[Alisha]

also wow somehow town im making progress!!!!

 

[Alisha]

i told him i didnt agree several times

unless by 'calling him out' you mean scumreading him for it

in which case, i just didnt scumread him for it, his theory wasnt that the devil wanted sinners dead it was that the devil needed sinners alive, and i was saying that was a bad assumption to make, but we argued over assumptions last game and he was town so it didnt mean much to me

i suppose

im unvoting you because i think my reads and reasoning have been garbage so im gonna just try to clear my head

 

[Infected_alien8_]

thats a misrepresentation of what i meant

i meant that you only built cases against people you felt could reasonably get

yeah so what youre saying is, i chose not to build cases on people i felt i couldnt get - you, aqua and hk

which is you saying 'you didnt build cases on us three, and i think thats scummy because i think it was because you felt you couldnt get those cases going'

the second part of that where you say 'i think it was because of this scummy reason' is the part where youre biased, because it could just as easily be 'i think its because you didnt scumread us', yet youre ignoring that possibility and going with the other, and you havent given me a reason for why that

 

[Alisha]

yeah so what youre saying is, i chose not to build cases on people i felt i couldnt get - you, aqua and hk

which is you saying 'you didnt build cases on us three, and i think thats scummy because i think it was because you felt you couldnt get those cases going'

the second part of that where you say 'i think it was because of this scummy reason' is the part where youre biased, because it could just as easily be 'i think its because you didnt scumread us', yet youre ignoring that possibility and going with the other, and you havent given me a reason for why that

i

what

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i

what

your observation: inf didnt build cases on me, hk or aqua
your interpretation of the observation: thats because he didnt think could get the lynch going
the conclusion youre ignoring (and the one im saying it is): thats because inf didnt find us scummy

it only makes sense to dismiss that second conclusion if you have a reason to believe thats not the case, but you havent given me a reason for that, you just keep repeating your interpretation (other than the time when you said i backed down on you too quick, but then you agreed with me that actually it was reasonable to do that)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

the conclusion youre ignoring (and the one im saying it is):

interpretation youre ignoring*

 

[Alisha]

your observation: inf didnt build cases on me, hk or aqua
your interpretation of the observation: thats because he didnt think could get the lynch going
the conclusion youre ignoring (and the one im saying it is): thats because inf didnt find us scummy

it only makes sense to dismiss that second conclusion if you have a reason to believe thats not the case, but you havent given me a reason for that, you just keep repeating your interpretation (other than the time when you said i backed down on you too quick, but then you agreed with me that actually it was reasonable to do that)

what

 

[Infected_alien8_]

what

when you said i didnt call out aqua, did you mean i didnt call out his idea for being bad, or that i didnt scumread him for it

 

[Infected_alien8_]

you know what nvm i just realized it doesnt matter, i think i get what youre saying now

i was overlooking that me not calling out aqua, if it was about not disagreeing with his idea (which is how i was remembering your point), instead of about him being scummy, could still be reason to think im only ganging up on people if i think i can

in which case fair enough i guess, since i hadnt explained that until now

i still dont agree that its fair to say 'yeah i know you backing down on me was reasonable and that as town you wouldnt keep attacking me, but it fits the pattern of you being afraid of attacking people' is fair, since if you think its reasonable and agree that it would actually be unreasonable for me to keep attacking you if i was town, then you shouldnt include it as part of an argument/pattern against me just because its in the same vein as something you did find unreasonable, but i feel like im being overly nitpicky with that and can see you coming to that decision as town too so ill drop it

 

[Infected_alien8_]

basically alisha i was saying i didnt buy your scumread of me since i didnt think youd given good enough reasons

but i accidentally overlooked that your reason around me not calling out aqua was valid

and as a sidenote im also pretty sure i was misremembering what your point in relation to me not calling aqua was as well (i was remembering it as 'you didnt say you disagree with aqua' not 'you didnt scumread aqua' but looking back it looks like the latter)

i need a break

 

[Infected_alien8_]

ill vote fog once Vatumok and sessybessy answer my question