Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[HKCaper]

ill vote fog once @Vatumok and @sessybessy answer my question

they've had their chance
vote fog

ninja'd

 

[Fog]

ill vote fog once Vatumok and sessybessy answer my question

why me?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

why me?

since youve been scummier than alisha today and there's more support for your lynch than alisha so its more likely to go through

 

[Infected_alien8_]

oh right a question for Timdood3

why is it exactly that you think the devil cant communicate with the other mafia?

 

[Fog]

oh right a question for Timdood3

why is it exactly that you think the devil cant communicate with the other mafia?

What if the person I spoke to last night was the Devil approaching me seeing if they wanted to make the deal?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

What if the person I spoke to last night was the Devil approaching me seeing if they wanted to make the deal?

thought you said you didnt think that was the case

 

[Infected_alien8_]

oh i checked and your reason was just that they didnt accept the deal ok then

but did the chat start at the beginning of the night or during it

 

[Fog]

thought you said you didnt think that was the case

I don’t think I said that, but if I did the fact that they haven’t stepped up has made me a lot more suspicious. I said I’d follow their lead but they haven't said anything.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I don’t think I said that, but if I did the fact that they haven’t stepped up has made me a lot more suspicious. I said I’d follow their lead but they haven't said anything.

they said they were gonna claim today?

 

[Fog]

oh i checked and your reason was just that they didnt accept the deal ok then

but did the chat start at the beginning of the night or during it

chat started at the beginning of the night - I attempted to make the deal in the daytime

 

[Fog]

they said they were gonna claim today?

I asked if they wanted to confirm that we spoke last night and they didn’t give me too much to work with, but it was agreed that we would say that we spoke and then if they wanted to expand upon the point more, then I would follow their lead as to how much they wanted to reveal

 

[Infected_alien8_]

chat started at the beginning of the night - I attempted to make the deal in the daytime

does the devil receive your deal offer during the day then

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I asked if they wanted to confirm that we spoke last night and they didn’t give me too much to work with, but it was agreed that we would say that we spoke and then if they wanted to expand upon the point more, then I would follow their lead as to how much they wanted to reveal

did they say that they would confirm in the thread that they spoke to you?

 

[Fog]

does the devil receive your deal offer during the day then

I submit it during the day? I don’t know if they receive it then - or maybe they get put automatically in chats with anybody who attempts to make a deal?

did they say that they would confirm in the thread that they spoke to you?

Yes

 

[sessybessy]

also sessy can i just get confirmation on something while youre here - if you had to choose yes or no, would you say it was a good idea to make a deal with the devil day 0? you answered before but i wasnt sure what your conclusion ultimately was

No

 

[sessybessy]

Yes

you my friend have been bamboozled

 

[Fog]

you my friend have been bamboozled

Ah shiiiiiit

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I submit it during the day? I don’t know if they receive it then - or maybe they get put automatically in chats with anybody who attempts to make a deal?

i mean unless sinners got told otherwise i doubt they receive it in the day whenever a sinner sends in the action since that seems a very odd/clunky choice

the latter would just end up revealing them as the devil if multiple sinners made deals with them during the day and then revealed that theyd shared a nightchat the following day with the exact same person and im sure stranger wouldve realised that

Yes

then why did you say you promised them you wouldnt reveal who they were ?

sounds like youre trying to set someone up but nice try <3

 

[Fog]

then why did you say you promised them you wouldnt reveal who they were ?

I never promised them that I wouldn’t, I said I would wait for them. But if they’re gonna be shady then I’m happy to out them

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I don't think we should kill alisha (or myself obv) today but Im willing to come on her tomorrow. If she's really scum then pushing me so hard now will put her in a very bad position tomorrow when I flip town. Fog is someone I also town read this game. I still feel like HK, skele and sessy are all good lynches because IMO they seem less towny and helpful than other people and are only around just to put some messages.

oh yeah Vatumok you also never answered me on why you were willing to lynch alisha tomorrow, yet not today

 

[Vatumok]

I just didn't see alisha as a viable lynch yet yesterday but I'd be willing to get back on her later is all that I meant.
The reason why I don't like fog lynch is that a lot of people are just willing to wagon on him and nobody besides me is trying to protect him. Unless you think fog and me are scum and are that bad it wouldn't make much sense for everyone to pile on us without defense. Meanwhile inffy and HK are trying to push this narrative soflty which IMO makes them suspicious because there is little logic behind it and looks more setting up mislynches. I think looking at one of them for today's lynch is the way to go.

vote HKCaper

 

[Vatumok]

By the way, sessybessy also belongs on that list of jumping to conclusions to put fog and me on a team together.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I just didn't see alisha as a viable lynch yet yesterday but I'd be willing to get back on her later is all that I meant.

why didn't you see her as viable?

I just didn't see alisha as a viable lynch yet yesterday but I'd be willing to get back on her later is all that I meant.
The reason why I don't like fog lynch is that a lot of people are just willing to wagon on him and nobody besides me is trying to protect him. Unless you think fog and me are scum and are that bad it wouldn't make much sense for everyone to pile on us without defense. Meanwhile inffy and HK are trying to push this narrative soflty which IMO makes them suspicious because there is little logic behind it and looks more setting up mislynches. I think looking at one of them for today's lynch is the way to go.

vote HKCaper

"push this narrative softly"? im convinced you havent even read the game

and there is an abundant amount of logic behind it

and you're not the only one defending him, alisha also did (who i think is his teammate), so did skele (not sure about him), others havent even given an opinion (beta, unu, mars) or seem neutral on the idea (tim)

it's just me, aqua, hk and sessy who are trying to lynch fog

also can you please answer my question about whether you think it would've been a good idea to make a deal with the devil yesterday?

 

[Aqua]

I stil think it is likely a trade will cause a small instant consequence, but if the deals keep happening they may eventually lead to severe consequences, possibly loss. so no I don't think it's a good idea to make deals with the devil.

And I also say no to a mass claim. We're practically still in d0, and if we hand out our PRs, mafias may coordinate accordingly making most of our PRs up to useless.

Hypothetically what would be a better scenario in towns favour?

Town PR's but no leads so a 3/12 of hitting maf or no town PR's and a 3/5 chance of hitting maf

I said I would hammer if we got the votes for you - which we didn't so why vote for somebody who I thought was town?

Pretty sure alisha was 1 vote from death so you would be hammering by voting her... also that concept makes no sense and is the most unhelpful anti-town logic

i felt like even though aqua had a neutral read you were avoiding calling him out for his wanting to lynch sinners despite the theory at the time being the devil wanted sinners dead

my logic there was pretty sound tho, if mafia needed to nightkill sinners since you had claimed it would only save the mafia one nights worth of actions that is potentially meaningless - it would have also allowed all of towns pr's to direct their attention to the other claimed sinner - protecting them from mafia.

I asked if they wanted to confirm that we spoke last night and they didn’t give me too much to work with, but it was agreed that we would say that we spoke and then if they wanted to expand upon the point more, then I would follow their lead as to how much they wanted to reveal

I would laugh so hard if you've just been thrown to the wolves by your mafia teammate lmao

The reason why I don't like fog lynch is that a lot of people are just willing to wagon on him and nobody besides me is trying to protect him

You mean the two people who have spent the last 10 pages constantly explaining why fog would be a good lynch while you have contributed nothing? Vat have you even read the thread?

Also my thoughts on Sessy is she seems very eager to take people on their word and form opinions vicariously through others but that could be from a place of gullibility and 'newbie-ness' than trying too hard to blend in.

Inf I can never fully trust but right now he's making the most sound townsided arguments so he is definitely beneficial rn, I hope he stays that way <3

can't remember the last maf game where inf and I worked together rather than tried to get each other lynched immediately

 

[Fog]

By the way, sessybessy also belongs on that list of jumping to conclusions to put fog and me on a team together.

sessy is jumping round making ALL the accusations. Like yesterday they just jumped on Beta.