Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
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Infected_alien8_
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meanwhile i just thought of a conspiracy theory that UNU and fog are buddies and UNU is a maf neighbour role but chose fog to visit to make it look like they weren't a team if one of them died/tim is right and the maf cant communicate with all other maf and unu's role is a way around that, but when fog saw he was going down he decided he could distance UNU from him even more, and thats actually why he suddenly turned the story from 'i promised them i wouldnt out them' to 'huh this person said they'd out, kinda shady...'
mostly since the argument between them both just felt weird and the latching onto 'was there a role like that in the past though' was weird and i wonder whether it came from just wanting to make as many arguments against the other as possible, even out of tiny things, to distance as much as they could
slightly random theory i know
mostly since the argument between them both just felt weird and the latching onto 'was there a role like that in the past though' was weird and i wonder whether it came from just wanting to make as many arguments against the other as possible, even out of tiny things, to distance as much as they could
slightly random theory i know
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
You'd think with the dwindling mafia player base and the 'nightkill the active players first' meta, hosts would try to cater to active players by giving extended deadlines when necessary or removing the need to fully vote someone to lynch them.
But I guess not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Infected_alien8_
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we could also have like a discord channel for living mafia players where you cant speak there unless youre the current host and the hosts tags everyone when theres 24 hours left of the day
since i think most people usually have discord open even when they dont check forums much
since i think most people usually have discord open even when they dont check forums much
Thus far I've been pretty focused on the mechanical side of the game and have been neglecting forming actual reads on people.
So attention span notwithstanding I'm going to comb back through and decide what to make of people. Hopefully in a few hours I'll have a reads list.
So attention span notwithstanding I'm going to comb back through and decide what to make of people. Hopefully in a few hours I'll have a reads list.
Rereading is going slowly, still working. But I found this and I want to bring it up now.
I don't see this response coming from someone who knows that their deal options aren't those. If anything, looking back it looks like a soft claim. Fog please walk me through your thought process here.
This statement from Fog is in response to Aqua saying that he thinks there's never a reason to make a deal.
I don't see this response coming from someone who knows that their deal options aren't those. If anything, looking back it looks like a soft claim. Fog please walk me through your thought process here.
I'm tired and need a break. I'll continue probably in the morning, but here, have my read of Aqua in the meantime:
Aqua - Very strongly discouraged sinners from claiming or making deals. I think this could be for two reasons: Town paranoia fearing the consequences, or scum that doesn't want us making deals. The latter seems unreasonable. Has been very confrontational with Alisha and me, I chalk that up to fundamental disagreements in philosophy. I think he's coming from town, just the other side of it.
Aqua - Very strongly discouraged sinners from claiming or making deals. I think this could be for two reasons: Town paranoia fearing the consequences, or scum that doesn't want us making deals. The latter seems unreasonable. Has been very confrontational with Alisha and me, I chalk that up to fundamental disagreements in philosophy. I think he's coming from town, just the other side of it.
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gonna do a reads list myself too
aqua & hk - strong town, suspicions/pushes on fog/alisha feel genuine, strong town vibes from them both
alisha - slight/moderate scum, dont feel as strong on her anymore, for the last like 30 hours she's actually sounded fairly genuine/townie to me, but i still don't like her stances on fog throughout day 0 + day 1 which ive mentioned already
tim - slight scum, mostly gut feeling that he knows too much about the setup for just a sinner claim. there was a moment earlier when he said he thinks maf have a sinner role, then later when i asked why, he said he doesnt think thats necessarily the case but just thinks we should keep the possibility in mind, i brought that discrepancy up and he said the former opinion was just him being tired. its a believable excuse sure, but i cant help but wonder if that was a half-slip where his opinion is influenced by his knowledge and then later forgets about it, since i can see maf having a role where they deal with the devil too (but i dont think theyd be called sinner due to the flavour, but i think tim could've just meant 'sinner-esque role'). also his points on the devil and mafia not being able to communicate lowkey seem like theyre coming from someone who knows more than a sinner would too since it just feels like he has slightly too much confidence in that theory (he's said several times that he believes its the case, not just that it's possible), when in my opinion it could easily be that the devil communicates with his team and i just dont empathise with why he would have the level of confidence that he seems to have, maybe we just have different ideas of satan but its weird to me. i dunno after typing this tim read out it feels like a stretch but ill say it anyways
beta - slight scum, don't feel as suspicious as i did day 0, probably since they haven't really been around today so they've dropped off my radar a bit, but the stuff i brought up about them day 0 still stands
sessy - moderate-strong town, feels townie/genuine, i like her suspect lists and dont see her bussing her team, id give a stronger townread if she actually pushed fog/alisha harder, but i still think its pretty unlikely she'd behave in the way that she has to her scumbuddies
skele - slight town, same reason as on day 0 about his meta. his lack of reads is slightly concerning me but i think that might be normal for him, i dont remember though
UNU - neutral-slight scum purely because of my conspiracy theory
fog - strong scum, reasons that ive already said a lot
twg - neutral
aqua & hk - strong town, suspicions/pushes on fog/alisha feel genuine, strong town vibes from them both
alisha - slight/moderate scum, dont feel as strong on her anymore, for the last like 30 hours she's actually sounded fairly genuine/townie to me, but i still don't like her stances on fog throughout day 0 + day 1 which ive mentioned already
tim - slight scum, mostly gut feeling that he knows too much about the setup for just a sinner claim. there was a moment earlier when he said he thinks maf have a sinner role, then later when i asked why, he said he doesnt think thats necessarily the case but just thinks we should keep the possibility in mind, i brought that discrepancy up and he said the former opinion was just him being tired. its a believable excuse sure, but i cant help but wonder if that was a half-slip where his opinion is influenced by his knowledge and then later forgets about it, since i can see maf having a role where they deal with the devil too (but i dont think theyd be called sinner due to the flavour, but i think tim could've just meant 'sinner-esque role'). also his points on the devil and mafia not being able to communicate lowkey seem like theyre coming from someone who knows more than a sinner would too since it just feels like he has slightly too much confidence in that theory (he's said several times that he believes its the case, not just that it's possible), when in my opinion it could easily be that the devil communicates with his team and i just dont empathise with why he would have the level of confidence that he seems to have, maybe we just have different ideas of satan but its weird to me. i dunno after typing this tim read out it feels like a stretch but ill say it anyways
beta - slight scum, don't feel as suspicious as i did day 0, probably since they haven't really been around today so they've dropped off my radar a bit, but the stuff i brought up about them day 0 still stands
sessy - moderate-strong town, feels townie/genuine, i like her suspect lists and dont see her bussing her team, id give a stronger townread if she actually pushed fog/alisha harder, but i still think its pretty unlikely she'd behave in the way that she has to her scumbuddies
skele - slight town, same reason as on day 0 about his meta. his lack of reads is slightly concerning me but i think that might be normal for him, i dont remember though
UNU - neutral-slight scum purely because of my conspiracy theory
fog - strong scum, reasons that ive already said a lot
twg - neutral
Infected_alien8_
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vat - tbh im having a hard time coming to a conclusion on this but ill say overall semi-moderate scum. his reads are so unrepresentative of what's actually going on the game it's hard to imagine it's genuine even if he's missing bits like he said, his stance on leaving alisha for day 1 doesn't make sense to me either and i think there's probably something else scummy going on there, and i dont like his defence of fog despite all the things fog has done. but it also seems hard to believe he'd be this sloppy and openly scummy as scum considering my past experience with him as scum on discord. so maybe he is genuinely just skim-reading everything and not realising how little of his information is accurate. either way he's extremely lacking this game and im struggling to know what to make of it, but for the reasons above i lean scum atm.
I’m actually on holiday atm and there’s no internet here.
So here all the posts in the chat regarding what we should do the next day:
Fog: So, do you want to talk about our conversation tonight? Or woud you rather keep it quiet until one of us dies.
Unusual: I’m not sure.
Fog: We could hint at the idea of a conversation, so that if you want to claim it will be more believable.
(i liked this post)
Fog: Tell you what, I’ll leave it up to you, if you want to claim I’ll go along with what you want to reveal.
Fog: Can people just input their night action (emoji)
Night ends
So here all the posts in the chat regarding what we should do the next day:
Fog: So, do you want to talk about our conversation tonight? Or woud you rather keep it quiet until one of us dies.
Unusual: I’m not sure.
Fog: We could hint at the idea of a conversation, so that if you want to claim it will be more believable.
(i liked this post)
Fog: Tell you what, I’ll leave it up to you, if you want to claim I’ll go along with what you want to reveal.
Fog: Can people just input their night action (emoji)
Night ends
No. And Fogs post also give the same answer.
Vote Fog
Imo I think only active votes should be counted. This would 1) not stop a lynch just because many people didn’t vote and 2) encourage to more activity of those who aren’t voting.
It would still be majority vote, so you would still need a good agreement to get someone lynched (in differ from top-voted-lynch)
My thought process was, Aqua was straight up just saying NOPE DONT DO DEALS DEALS ARE BAD, without really knowing anything about them (as far as I am aware) - At this stage of the game nobody had revealed what the abilities were but let's be honest having a tracker or a roleblocker could come in very useful for the town at some stage of the game if needed. It was also basically me saying I was gonna make a deal to see what the consequences are to see if it was worth the risk.
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