Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Infected_alien8_]

But your role could easily belong to scum, that's the point I was trying to make before. I don't think it's unreasonable that you could remove a sinner's ability- I think it's unreasonable that that ability belong to town.

I feel like I want to vote you.

Inf proving his ability tonight won't confirm his alignment in any meaningful way and I would very much like to not lose my ability.
After mulling for about a day, I'm finally going to throw my vote down.

Vote Infected_Alien8

Plus his flip will give us valuable information on the setup as a whole since, to reiterate, I do not believe his claim is fully truthful.
(And aqua if you lynch inf you get to find out about the word consequence.)

but i said already, tonight you will be told that the deal was undone

why would a role undo a deal yet the devil still keeps their side of the deal? surely you agree that if stranger tells you that your deal's undone that makes me a town sided role? so then i can prove myself tonight to be town

huh come to think of it we can interpret this as inf saying hes going to get rid of your ability or 'item' in public

and also stop the devil from having his soul or whatever, yes

 

[Infected_alien8_]

like, why would a maf sided role 'undo' a deal with the devil when we've already established that deals with the devil are most likely mafia-sided and shouldnt be done

if you think theyre town sided then explain aqua's role, if you think he's town

so bearing in mind my claim is that you'll be told the deal is undone tomorrow, i should be able to prove my alignment tonight, as long as you dont die

 

[Infected_alien8_]

(and lets be honest aqua is dying tonight not you)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

(and lets be honest aqua is dying tonight not you)

(or is this me just wanting maf to think hk will be on aqua instead of you when hk should go on you)

(or is it the opposite)

(who knows)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

and if you think its not town sided to prevent a town sinner from being able to have an ability, then again, aqua's role does the same thing, so why do you trust his role but not mine

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i feel like my argument was slightly messy there so ill lay it out in one post and then go to bed:

"you wont be able to prove yourself tonight because you might be town" -> ill be able to prove i can undo your deal because youll get a message about it, and bearing in mind undo surely means neither side gets to keep their benefit, and bearing in mind deals are likely anti-town sided, that makes me a town sided role

"your role prevents sinners from using their abilities" -> aqua's role prevents sinners from being able to get an ability, so if you think this is inherently scummy and that deals are pro-town then you must think we're both scum? but you seem to trust aqua

"i get to keep my ability if youre lynched" -> the devil also gets to keep whatever he gets from you, which, for all we know, could be using your vote, and if tomorrow is mylo we're screwed over by that completely

 

[Infected_alien8_]

"you wont be able to prove yourself tonight because you might be town" ->

might not be town still*

 

[Alisha]

welcome back inf pentaposting

 

[Alisha]

i will vote for whoever has more popular support

whether that be inf or unu

 

[Alisha]

inf's panicking

we got 'em

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i will vote for whoever has more popular support

whether that be inf or unu

but i can prove myself tonight, unu cant, why are you ignoring that

inf's panicking

we got 'em

pf as if i dont panic even more when im town than when im scum

 

[Alisha]

but i can prove myself tonight, unu cant, why are you ignoring that

a wise man once said you can prove your action and not your alignment

and i listened to that wise man

 

[Alisha]

pf as if i dont panic even more when im town than when im scum

yeah but you haven't panicked all game until just now, as town you panic all time but as scum you panic when you're in danger!!!

 

[HKCaper]

bearing in mind what i said about vat/me getting confirmed tomorrow (well my abilities for me at least) are you open to switching to UNU?

okay i slept on it, and again i really dont know why i would vote unu, who, out of the 5 i think could be scum i suspect the least, over either you or vat, when i feel strongly one of you is gotta be scum and possibly both. why bother not voting vat, when clearly most of us suspect him. you said yourself

(and lets be honest aqua is dying tonight not you)

so clearly you dont believe aqua is going to be able to confirm vat eitherway, so your rethoric is bs.

i'm starting to feel real good about both you and vat being maf. im still most for a vat lynch.

 

[Good Skele]

Agreed with HK. If this is going to be another no lynch I'm just gonna find a cry corner.

 

[Aqua]

But your role could easily belong to scum, that's the point I was trying to make before. I don't think it's unreasonable that you could remove a sinner's ability- I think it's unreasonable that that ability belong to town.

I feel like I want to vote you.

Inf proving his ability tonight won't confirm his alignment in any meaningful way and I would very much like to not lose my ability.
After mulling for about a day, I'm finally going to throw my vote down.

Vote Infected_Alien8

Plus his flip will give us valuable information on the setup as a whole since, to reiterate, I do not believe his claim is fully truthful.
(And aqua if you lynch inf you get to find out about the word consequence.)

huh come to think of it we can interpret this as inf saying hes going to get rid of your ability or 'item' in public

HE'S A PURIFIER OMG

unvote
vote Infected_Alien8_

Hey if we lynch inf, I get to say I lynched inf and fog in a mafia game

I'm down

vote infected_alien8_

 

[Aqua]

Aqua why are you wanting to lynch vat instead of UNU when you can investigate vat but not UNU?

Also to answer your question despite you clearly knowing yourself when trying to weasel out of the spotlight.

I am not long for this world - and while I am here I want to do best for town.

If I die tonight you would push a lynch on vat anyway, however, honestly I trust him right now more than I do you.

He may be a bundle of conspiracy theories and non sequiturs, but he's MY bundle of conspiracy theories and non sequiturs

 

[Infected_alien8_]

a wise man once said you can prove your action and not your alignment

and i listened to that wise man

but why would a maf role undo a deal

the only way it would work is if it only cancelled the town power from it

but thats not what im claiming, im saying it will tell tim the deal was completely undone

so it surely will prove im town, if it says what im saying it will

yeah but you haven't panicked all game until just now, as town you panic all time but as scum you panic when you're in danger!!!

i panic as town when im in danger not all the time

the pentaposting usually isnt panic its excitement

and i panicked since 2 townies voted me + theres 3 scum left, all of which i think are on my suspect list, and we need 6 to lynch which means thats already 5 easy votes on me and hk has been suspicious of me as well which makes it an easy 6

so clearly you dont believe aqua is going to be able to confirm vat eitherway, so your rethoric is bs.

this is taking that quote entirely out of its context and ignoring what i said right after it

either tim or aqua could easily die tonight, the point of that post was to wifom maf to who you might protect

Also to answer your question despite you clearly knowing yourself when trying to weasel out of the spotlight.

I am not long for this world - and while I am here I want to do best for town.

again maf could kill tim instead of you, if they get blocks via deals like town they could easily not have a blocker and thus have to rely on attacking who hk isnt visiting

i dont understand why people are turning on me when i can prove that i undo deals

people say "yeah but it could be a scum role" but nobodys managed to explain why a scum role would undo a deal, the only theory so far is that i only cancel the town sided part, but ive already said the message youll get will make it clear the deal was undone not just altered, meaning that wont be the case

if tim survives tonight and says that the message he got could still mean that i only cancelled the town sided parts, then lynch me tomorrow because then ive lied about my claim

if tim's dead, aqua can say whether vat is scum or not, if he is we lynch him, if hes not then by all means consider me for a lynch, at the very least give me a chance to prove myself

 

[Aqua]

but why would a maf role undo a deal

the only way it would work is if it only cancelled the town power from it

but thats not what im claiming, im saying it will tell tim the deal was completely undone

so it surely will prove im town, if it says what im saying it will

Wait when did you claim this?

Correct me if I'm wrong but you never originally mentioned the sinner would be notified that their deal would be completely undone, and when I first said that you visiting Tim wouldn't prove your alignment your response was something along the lines of "I guess", you never brought up that Tim would be informed that all of the deal would be undone.

Feel free to go back and quote yourself saying it but I have no recollection of this point coming up at all.

 

[Aqua]

again maf could kill tim instead of you, if they get blocks via deals like town they could easily not have a blocker and thus have to rely on attacking who hk isnt visiting

i dont understand why people are turning on me when i can prove that i undo deals

people say "yeah but it could be a scum role" but nobodys managed to explain why a scum role would undo a deal, the only theory so far is that i only cancel the town sided part, but ive already said the message youll get will make it clear the deal was undone not just altered, meaning that wont be the case

if tim survives tonight and says that the message he got could still mean that i only cancelled the town sided parts, then lynch me tomorrow because then ive lied about my claim

if tim's dead, aqua can say whether vat is scum or not, if he is we lynch him, if hes not then by all means consider me for a lynch, at the very least give me a chance to prove myself

that still leaves TWG and beta tho, if we were to kill vat tonight it would be a 50/50 of me hitting scum (assuming one of them is scum which is HIGHLY likely)

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Wait when did you claim this?

Correct me if I'm wrong but you never originally mentioned the sinner would be notified that their deal would be completely undone, and when I first said that you visiting Tim wouldn't prove your alignment your response was something along the lines of "I guess", you never brought up that Tim would be informed that all of the deal would be undone.

Feel free to go back and quote yourself saying it but I have no recollection of this point coming up at all.

i mentioned this when tim first brought it up that i could be a blocker role:

like, you'd still have the ability if i were lying. if im telling the truth you lose it and you get told your deal has been undone so you'll know for sure im lying either way

when I first said that you visiting Tim wouldn't prove your alignment your response was something along the lines of "I guess"

the "i guess" was that it wont prove my alignment to people that think that deals are pro-town, same as why your role wouldnt be proven, which is what i thought your point was

but youre obviously not in that camp since you think deals are anti-town + tim thinks you're town so neither of you should be believing that

 

[Infected_alien8_]

that still leaves TWG and beta tho, if we were to kill vat tonight it would be a 50/50 of me hitting scum (assuming one of them is scum which is HIGHLY likely)

yeah thats why i said im down to lynch vat if UNU doesnt get the votes

but realistically i think 3/4 of unu/vat/beta/twg are scum anyway so i think the chance of us hitting scum in the next 2 days as long as we lynch one of them each time is 100%, and UNU cant be cleared so id rather get him out of the way before mylo

 

[Aqua]

i mentioned this when tim first brought it up that i could be a blocker role:




the "i guess" was that it wont prove my alignment to people that think that deals are pro-town, same as why your role wouldnt be proven, which is what i thought your point was

but youre obviously not in that camp since you think deals are anti-town + tim thinks you're town so neither of you should be believing that

There are so many variables that could come up as an "excuse" for you tomorrow tho, Tim's death, you being blocked

Can you imagine if we massclaimed yesterday so we had more time to prepare

 

[Infected_alien8_]

There are so many variables that could come up as an "excuse" for you tomorrow tho, Tim's death, you being blocked

and if those excuses come up, then you can lynch me, but while theres a chance i can prove myself tomorrow theres no reason to lynch me a day early than necessary

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Can you imagine if we massclaimed yesterday so we had more time to prepare

or you mightve died and we wouldnt know alisha is inno