You'll kick yourself if he's Mafia?
If he's mafia and I don't lynch him and he wins
I'm referring to the general assumptions which you made regarding TWG before he claimed roleblocker. I'm referring to (from my perspective) quick assumptions that you Townread some people (such as myself, Fog, Molten (on D1), Alisha (on D2)).
Oh. I wouldn't say those were assumptions, I think I did say a few times that my theory could be wrong and the mafia don't necessarily have to have followed what I expected, but I thought I'd found the truth and I believed in it, but not blindly. I also don't think I ever made any quick assumptions when townreading anyone. Could you point to when you think I made a quick assumption about a read so I can explain what was going through my head at the time?
It just seemed like you're manipulating people by Townreading them somewhat, then afterwards pushing an agenda to lynch people, reading "influential" folks like I've pointed out before.
See I still don't agree with this. Both UNU and you mentioned it at a time when I was scumreading alisha if I remember correctly, so the only 'influential' person out of those you listed to be influential yesterday were yourself and tim. If you think me townreading both of you is suspicious then fair enough I guess, that's just how I read you both. And also as a sidenote even when I did townread alisha I don't think she's had the luxury of being influential this game considering most people seem to have had her down as suspicious for the most part and obviously suspicious people tend to lose any influence they may have had for being experienced.
I think your reasons were fair yes, however the way how the lynch moved very quickly from MoltenAshes to TWG bothers me a lot. Granted, the chances of TWG being genuine roleblocker were slim, however it seemed to me that you didn't even take a step back to consider the possibility that TWG could be Town. I apologise if you did, but I don't remember seeing any instance of it.
I don't think I did reconsider him as such after my long post and his posts afterwards, or at least not more than a quick doubt in my mind that I dismissed because TWG being mafia made so much sense, no, and I didn't have much reason to reconsider him in my eyes. Him claiming blocker didn't make me doubt myself since people were posting statistics of how unlikely that claim is and it's not as though it would be surprising to see mafia claim a PR like that either, so nothing really happened to make me go 'oh wait maybe I'm wrong' after that point. I wouldn't say it was a feeling of certainty either, and there were moments where I thought his posts sounded quite townie and I remember saying well done to him for that if he was mafia, but I had reasons to think he was mafia that outweighed those moments and I felt confident enough about it to push for his lynch and nothing happened to make me change my mind.
I find it suspicious that she lowkey continued to push after I claimed doctor. Which was what I don't understand. If she had pulled away from the start and not continue to push that the possibility that a doctor didn't exist in this setup, then maybe you not suspecting her would be fair.
Oh I understand what you mean now, and at first I actually thought the same thing since it was weird to me too but I quickly dismissed that thought since as mafia, if my lynch target suddenly claimed doctor, I'd definitely not keep pushing on that since lynching an uncc doctor claim isn't going to happen so it'd be pointless and she'd possibly make herself seem suspicious for wanting the doctor dead. Alisha's experienced enough to know that so I decided it was probably just a genuine scumread that she found difficult to shake off. Like I understand what you're seeing there and I agree it was weird but I just don't see why she'd do that as mafia unless she was expecting a partner to cc, which didn't happen, and if she was expecting it then I'd think that it was planned, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Also what I fail to understand is that quite a handful of people (including Tim, myself, TWG, even Shadow) had Alisha on their suspect list yesterday, and somehow she's somewhat off the radar now? Quite a handful of people also had suspicions on Shadow, iirc.
Hm I guess you're right, it did seem like alisha was on most people's suspect list and now she's not all of a sudden, I'm not sure what to make of that but I guess it might be worth asking those people what happened there. I think tim changed his mind on alisha and said he only scumread her since he was listening to what other people were saying and not thinking about it properly, and TWG obviously died. I think
Shadow_Hunter3's the only other person who had any beef with alisha yesterday?
Again the thing here is that on Day 1 there were multiple people saying that they found Alisha and Shadow suspicious, not just TWG himself. Now that TWG is dead the whole focus seemed to have moved from the both of them onto MoltenAshes again, which is just extremely odd.
Well I think the focus was actually mostly on molten yesterday with a few other people as kind of background suspects until right at the end when I switched it to TWG, so it doesn't really seem strange to me that people are back onto molten but I guess it might be worth asking, for those of you who scumread alisha/shadow yesterday, how do you feel about them today and why aren't you pursuing those reads anymore? I think that's
Unusual_Dood,
Fog and
Timdood3 (since you're essentially proven town I don't feel as though I need an answer from you personally but I guess any opinion from you is nice to hear anyways)
In the first C9++ game you were the cop and got lynched on Day 1. Your legacy reads carried the Town to lynch Fog and for the 1-shot vigilante to shoot Nottykitten. Correct me if I am wrong.
I don't remember it going like that but that game was a while ago so you may be right. From memory even after I died people kept ignoring fog until several days later when they eventually lynched him but I don't think that was because of my reads. I don't remember what happened to notty. Even if in that game people did use my legacy reads, in most games I don't see them being used, and I don't put stock in them myself unless I actually agree with it
I don't see this - what I meant by "on the fence" well wasn't necessarily meaning being indecisive with some of the folk you think you'd lynch - it was more of like suspecting a whole range of people and then zeroing in on them when someone else started to accuse. Though fair point, I suppose, and I don't really know how to argue against this.
Well I don't agree with that either. I think I was the first to suspect TWG actually, and I was the first person to push for his lynch over molten's. I had a quick look back over day 1 since I had a feeling I was the first to suspect ernie too and I kinda was sort of? (woops that's two town this isn't a good argument) I was the first to explicitly say I was suspicious of him but it was a couple posts after you'd asked him questions about why he was more concerned about dying at night, so I guess you sort of started the ball rolling. It looks like I was the first to throw doubt on alisha and offer an alternate theory to fantome's behaviour being town though, so it doesn't seem like I'm wrong when I feel as though I haven't been only suspecting people who already happened to be suspected by someone else
Also I don't think I have been suspecting a whole range of people, from memory my suspects have been ernie, fantome and alisha day 1 and everyone else was slightly town except for TWG and UNU who were neutral, then day 2 it moved to alisha, TWG and molten and then to just TWG and UNU, and now today it's mostly molten with UNU and fog as my second guesses. If you're thinking that I've been keeping my options of targets open so that I can zero in on anyone at my convenience, which is what I'm interpreting your point to be, then I think the fact that I only had a maximum of 3 suspects per day is probably the best argument I've got against that.
This whole game something about you just generally suspecting a wide range of people and less tunnelvision is fair but somehow making me extremely nervous and paranoid. Not to mention somehow you've managed to survive this far which is I think is a bit questionable.
Well fair enough I guess, I don't really know what to say for that.
