Which conversation, and what made HKCaper suspicious?
The one involving Hkcaper after Foggy had released the report and some of us were asking Hkcaper to either claim or say who he visited. I feel like we as a town handled that incredibly poorly. I don't want to call people out for that as I know I was part of it, but I didn't expect Hk to make such a big deal out of not claiming. I didn't personally find HK suspicious for it, but I feel like that situation a townie might read the situation as 'well if he's town why isn't he sharing information, this seems incredibly scummy, so I think he's mafia' and the mafia might read the conversation yesterday and thing 'Well he's hiding something for a reason, he must be an important town power role or have a plan up his sleeve we should kill him off tonight so that he can't follow up on whatever he's planning'. I feel that the situation we put Hkcaper in was going to bring all kinds of unwanted attention to him that wasn't good. I know I was part of the people pushing for him to give out information, and thus am partly responsible, but I was worried about my bus driver scenario, and as it was pretty clear foggy and aerelic weren't lying I was worried about the possibility of Notty flipping town and us coming back to take out either Hk/Arelic/foggy only to find out they were town too, so I didn't want to vote Notty unless my bus driver theory could be addressed (which it was)
If someone has a report saying a certain person is guilty you vote them, right? Pretty much everyone else did, that's normal. The weird thing is that we weren't voting notty, and I'm curious as to why you didn't change your vote to Notty later on, that bit confuses me. If there is a report saying someone is guilty I'm pretty much guaranteed to vote for that player like anyone else will, but I didn't because I felt like my bus driver theory might be a thing, and I was worried that if it was a bus driver it would screw us over a lot. Once I felt confident with HK's answer that there could be no bus driver (he'd have looked suspicious if notty flipped town after that, and thus we'd have some responsibility to account for (unlike Foggy/Aerelic who I felt couldn't reasonably be held responsible in the slightest given the circumstances of Foggy's claim and the fact they had both seen the report). At this point I put in a post saying I'd consider voting for Notty (I really had already decided, but didn't want to change my vote on whim from tapatalk right before work, so I put in my vote later when I got home.)
The one involving Hkcaper after Foggy had released the report and some of us were asking Hkcaper to either claim or say who he visited. I feel like we as a town handled that incredibly poorly. I don't want to call people out for that as I know I was part of it, but I didn't expect Hk to make such a big deal out of not claiming. I feel like that situation a townie might read the situation as 'well if he's town why isn't he sharing information, this seems incredibly scummy, so I think he's mafia' and the mafia might read the conversation yesterday and thing 'Well he's hiding something for a reason, he must be an important town power role or have a plan up his sleeve we should kill him off tonight so that he can't follow up on whatever he's planning'. I feel that the situation we put Hkcaper in was going to bring all kinds of unwanted attention to him that wasn't good. I know I was part of the people pushing for him to give out information, and thus am partly responsible, but I was worried about my bus driver scenario, and as it was pretty clear foggy and aerelic weren't lying I was worried about the possibility of Notty flipping town and us coming back to take out either Hk/Arelic/foggy only to find out they were town too, so I didn't want to vote Notty unless my bus driver theory could be addressed (which it was)
If someone has a report saying a certain person is guilty you vote them, right? Pretty much everyone else did, that's normal. The weird thing is that we weren't voting notty, and I'm curious as to why you didn't change your vote to Notty later on, that bit confuses me. If there is a report saying someone is guilty I'm pretty much guaranteed to vote for that player like anyone else will, but I didn't because I felt like my bus driver theory might be a thing, and I was worried that if it was a bus driver it would screw us over a lot. Once I felt confident with HK's answer that there could be no bus driver (he'd have looked suspicious if notty flipped town after that, and thus we'd have some responsibility to account for (unlike Foggy/Aerelic who I felt couldn't reasonably be held responsible in the slightest given the circumstances of Foggy's claim and the fact they had both seen the report). At this point I put in a post saying I'd consider voting for Notty (I really had already decided, but didn't want to change my vote on whim from tapatalk right before work, so I put in my vote later when I got home.)
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but how does that answer the question of "which conversation made Hk seem suspicious"? After Notty died and turned out to be innocent, why do you think HK was still suspicious, and suspicious enough for TWG to kill him?
Oh I know, like I said in the post you quoted, when I said I was suspicious of your 'vote change' in our night chat I was misunderstanding what you'd said in yourpost, and after reading it again I decided it wasn't suspicious, since you gave your reasons about only being tentative to vote her because of the bus theory, which HK seemed to dismiss.
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Because HK claimed that there was '100% no shenanigans possible', and to me this seemed incredibly unlikely (turns out I was correct), and I was concerned he was lying about being a visiting role who could prove Notty to be mafia, hoping we wouldn't force him to claim and would trust him and we'd lynch Notty. I mean it'd be pretty short-sighted of him but I had to be sure, so I pushed to make sure he couldn't then get us to lynch Notty, then claim the next day 'oh by 100% certain I didn't think about possibility X" to save himself. Just in case he was town, I made sure to be careful in my questions and told him several times not to reveal too much and asked for 'very general' answers (as shown below). I kept asking because I had a feeling that he was either 1) a townie and just not thinking about all the possibilities and so being mistaken by saying he was '100% sure notty was mafia', so I wanted to check he was legit 100% sure so and make him consider other possibilities, and 2) I wasn't sure if he was lying, so I kept asking for more. Meanwhile your post here is making me even more suspicious of you.
I'm in engineering. With notty dead it was just me, ender, and TWG. We didnt really discuss much of anything: TWG asked my role and I told him I didn't think it was a good time to be claiming yet. I said if he had anything he thought was important to share that he should share it, but he said nothing. Kind of wish we had all claimed now because he might've had information from watching someone, but it's just as likely he got nothing.
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Which night chat were you in last night?
We discussed suspects and townreads
hipman wasn't assigned to anything in his death message, so I put him in the department that was lacking a person. It's just a guess though, perhaps it might be better to leave him out.
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