Hectic Hawaii (Game Over)

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cooliorules

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Notty and Ooglie are my number 1 candidates for possible mafia at the moment.
Just saying, omgus from earlier on. Please don't.
Then when Fruit realised Coolio's third party claim Ooglie came barging in with "Ow but third party mostly turns up innocent for cops"
Uhh that's generally how cops work? Town turn up innocent, third party turn up innocent and mafia turn up guilty. There's nothing wrong with this.
 

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Well to start, I explained that I wasn't sure if I wanted to claim. The risk of dying tonight was too much for another investigation.

Plus I had a decent theory when I did claim, which is what pushed me to really come clean.

And no shit claiming cop is 'suicidal'. I did it because I felt the time was right.

And if I do recall ender was the one pushing for the cop to claim today.

Well, I want to vote fiesta, but I'm scared. I'll go to bed, maybe someone votes while I'm asleep. In that case, as I'm dying tonight, I bid you all farewell.
 

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Just saying, omgus from earlier on. Please don't.
It's not an omgus. It would be an omgus if I voted them because they voted me, but I brought up an entirely different reason as to why I believe them to be suspicious. The fact that they found me suspicious has nothing to do with it.


And if I do recall ender was the one pushing for the cop to claim today.
Indeed. How is this relevant at the moment? :confused:
 

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... Oh god, I missed so much in one day. I just read through it all right after I just woke up from not having internet yesterday, but I think I'll need another hour just to make a post to catch up. >, <

Well, I'm gonna take a quick break, then get onto making my post. Don't do anything too rash and hasty, guys. xD
 

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Ender, it doesn't matter whether it's voting or a completely different point. omgus is when someone places suspicion on someone, then they place suspicion back. I see it as an omgus due to the fact I don't know your role, Notty's role or Ooglie's role. Therefore, in my eyes, it's an omgus.
 

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Ender, it doesn't matter whether it's voting or a completely different point. omgus is when someone places suspicion on someone, then they place suspicion back. I see it as an omgus due to the fact I don't know your role, Notty's role or Ooglie's role. Therefore, in my eyes, it's an omgus.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=OMGUS
http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/OMGUS

As you can quite clearly see, OMGUS is when a player votes or places suspicion on another player only or mostly because they have placed a vote or suspicion on him/her. My vote is not an OMGUS vote, because (as I've quite clearly demonstrated) it's for entirely different reasons. I completely understand why you don't want OMGUS happening or why people should consider it scummy, but my vote is not an OMGUS vote, therefore, any dislike of my theory that stems from the belief that it's an OMGUS should be reconsidered.
 

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Well, to start off;
Duffie - Damn, I have never seen a person harder for me to read in mafia than you. You're exactly the same in every single mafia game, and I've no idea if I should trust you or not. I'm gonna take your word for now since you and Coolio both say you're together in this game and I kind of find Coolio to be easy to believe at the moment because of the cop report and whatnot.
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Very well. I am indeed, a third party.
I am the hotel-dweller.
I got two win conditions.
1.) I am alive by the end of the game.
2.) I have stayed in at least every hotel once.

I do indeed have a night action, Every other night I may choose to 'intercept' someone who is switching a hotel. If I choose one of the two persons who is switching a hotel, I will switch with the other instead of them. For example. Duffie chose Ender and Caff to switch. Should I have targeted Caff then I would be switched instead of caff thus effectively switching me and Ender. Tough not having much to go off first night I targeted Fruit wich essentially now had no effect.

Yes I lied about being a third-party. That was to check if someone else might've come up front first saying they are. If I would've claimed third party before I was scared they would label me as the official and only third party in the game thus effectively getting away with it safely.

Sorry if this caused any inconveniences.
Based on what I'm seeing, the heat is currently on you, Fiestaguy, of course. Looking at your claim, I feel that it makes sense... Except for the first win condition.

Honestly, isn't everyone's (except the fool's,) win condition to be alive by the end of the game..? I feel like it's automatically said without being written down as a win condition, to be quite honest. >, <

Saying that, I feel like it's somewhat hard to believe you have two win conditions written down for you... Unless, you happen to be attempting to fill in the second win condition slot. :x

So how many 3rd parties do we have?

Myself
Duffie
Fiesta(noob)

Is that is?
Mmk, well, that's like over a third of the amount of people left :/ I don't find that exactly likely...

[hl]Although, last night, duffie didn't you say you had to win with town? That may be just me. I'll read back through the PM to check that, actually[/hl]
I actually said it earlier in the thread, actually. xD
I did, however, tell Peach I was apart of Town, so we could focus on winning with the town... But I guess it doesn't really matter to us, as long as people stay in their hotel rooms.
As for your inquiry about whether having three third parties is likely, I was able to believe that we could be in a third party heavy game... But, looking at it now, I can only question it further;

3? Townies : Notty (Tourist), Ooglie (Tourist), and Kitty (Vanilla Townie)
4? Power Roles : 77 (Doc), Ltin (Vig), and Fruit (Cop), Ender (Hotel Keyholder/Roleblock?)
3? Third Parties : Duffie (Hotel Lodger), Coolio (Hotel Innkeeper), Fiestaguy (Hotel Dweller/Interceptor?)

When you look at this, it's clearly getting out of hand here. Obviously, at least two of these people are lying. Although it doesn't mean much, I can definitely claim I'm not a mafia, as I'm definitely third party. Although, I can safely say that Coolio is third party, as she's been supposedly investigated by Fruit, the claimed cop, and because I believe her, as she's my best friend evah.
PeachxAzure 4 Life

With how it's currently standing, I feel like there's one of each of these categories containing a mafia, to be quite honest. That, or one of these isn't.

Theories

Gonna do this in the good ol' "What I think of everyone" method and then maybe come up with more elaborate theories, if I find time for it or if I can remember them all from last night when my mind was working on overdrive.


Caffeina - I don't have a strong opinion about her. The townie claim could be either fake and the easy way out of the claim round, or it could be thrown in there by Tim to mess with us. I'm actually leaning on her being town, rather than mafia at the moment, since she didn't lose her head in the critical moment when Ooglie decided she had to be the SK, but the leaning is rather slight.
Duffie - Damn, I have never seen a person harder for me to read in mafia than you. You're exactly the same in every single mafia game, and I've no idea if I should trust you or not. I'm gonna take your word for now since you and Coolio both say you're together in this game and I kind of find Coolio to be easy to believe at the moment because of the cop report and whatnot.
Notty and Ooglie are my number 1 candidates for possible mafia at the moment. More on that a little further into my post. Ooglie's roleclaim is obviously truthful, but as he said about me, I say about him: it's the alignment that I question.
Fiesta - He could be the third 3rd Party role in this game, which I find to be a bit of an overkill, but you never know.
Ender - pls no lynch i iz twon
Fruit - I feel that his cop claim is truthful. If he's not the cop, then the mafia won't kill him tonight and if he is the cop then they will kill him tonight. They can't risk letting the cop live and get a guilty investigation on someone. Mind you, this isn't absolute since I said it out loud, but I'd say it's a pretty strong possibility that if he doesn't die, he's lying. So, why lynch him now when we're not certain and feel more like he could be the cop, right?


To recap, here's a colour-coded guide to my suspicion levels:
Notty, Ooglie, Fiesta, Caffeina, Duffie. Coolio, Fruit, Ender.
Looking at this, I feel that it's likely true, looking at it... But, I actually can't really see Notty and Ooglie working together. They may post side by side, one after another, most of the time... But, they also seem to be the only people posting during those times, just happening to be the active ones.

So, I guess here's my level of suspicion;
Most Suspicious to Least Suspicious
Fiesta, Kitty, Ender, Notty, Ooglie, Fruit, Coolio


I'm not typically one for distrusting people right away. I definitely always trust people from the start, so it's a bit weird for me to pull out the suspicion bar... But, I have to to admit, Fiesta's standing out the most for me... But...

Much like Coolio, I do not believe Fiesta.

So, at the beginning there were 10 people.
The suspected amount was 3 townies, 3 PRs, 3 mafia and 1 third party or 3 townies, 3 PRs, 2 mafia, 2 third party

I'm inclined to believe both Duffie's and Coolio's claims as third party since on the first day Duffie thought that a large amount of people were third party which makes sense if you know there are atleast 2.
I also believe that Notty is innocent due to having the exact same role as me with info I hadn't revealed.
I trust Fruit's claim (and if we lynch a Mafia today, he will unfortunately die tonight since it's the obvious choice).
We also know that Ltin (the Vigi) and 77 (the Doctor) are both dead.

With this info put together with the second idea (3T/3PR/2M/2TP) we have removed 2 townies, 3 PRs and the 2 third parties which leaves 2 mafia and 1 innocent left over.
As odd as it sounds... even though I said I was 99.99% sure Caff was mafia at one point due to being a regular towny - I'm actually starting to believe this claim since it fits nicely and might just be something to throw us off made by Tim.

Now, Ender said that he was the 'Keyholder' (keep players in the same hotel). Do I believe this claim? Yes. Do I believe that he is innocent? No. I think that this role is a Mafia role, with the typical 'You can do this or make a kill' added on. It's make specifically to counter third parties which are not a threat to town as it seems. Then again, the claim could be absolute garbage and he's just making it up, but I am pretty sure that he is telling the (partial) truth about his role, just not his alignment.

Next up is Fiesta who said he was the 'hotel-dweller' who intercepts with Duffie's role switches. Do I believe this claim? Not too sure. Do I believe that he is innocent? No. Much like Ender I believe it is the exact same thing. Another big reason why I don't believe this claim is... why? What is the POINT in staying in each hotel once. The innkeeper is to have everyone in an inn, the lodging manager is to have at least 1 person in each hotel room by the end of the game, tourists are touring Hawaii and are just staying in different hotels, cop investigates, keyholder to keep the key to each hotel so people can't switch, etc, etc and then the regular towny.

From my point of view, I find Fiesta the most suspicious one and am fairly certain he is a mafia member so...
vote Fiestaguy
I'm gonna go with Ooglie on this one. I already said I was pretty sure the 3 Mafia are Ender, Fiesta and Caff. So I'll vote for Fiesta aswell then. I don't think this will be a mislynch \o/

Vote Fiestaguy
Okay honestly just straight up stating it like that always puts me off. I remember a long while back (2 or 3 season back?) I just said as my defence 'I'm town I'm down don't lynch me'. That's fairly similar to what you're saying and it the tip of the iceberg for me. Not only this but 3 third party just seems too unlikely. Sooooo:

vote Fiestaguy
I just can't let this slide :( fiesta does seem as if he's trying to push suspicion from himself onto Notty. I'd like to hear a defense before he's hammered, but since I don't think this is the hammer vote...
vote Fiestaguy.
Most of these votes, as it seems, are on my deep end of the suspicion bar...

Fiesta, I don't trust too much, mainly because of his first win condition he's stated. It doesn't make sense to me. And if he were to target the right people, he would most likely either be moved out of a hotel, or keep one out of a hotel, which I feel like is completely against mine and Coolio's win conditions. </3

Kitty, I can't be too sure of, because she's claiming Vanilla Townie. I wanna not believe her, but... I can only imagine how boring it would be to be in her shoes right now. D:

As for Ooglie, he was the first to claim Tourist, I do believe. Being a Tourist, he'll be able to change hotel rooms... Which I feel is fine and all, but looking at how he can believe Kitty's claim, I can't be too sure. He does make a valid point in his beliefs, though.

Then there's Notty, who turns out to be the second Tourist, which I can also somewhat believe, but... Not as much as Ooglie's claim. I'd say having a second Tourist without a third wouldn't be very trustworthy grounds, but having a Vanilla Townie in the picture, I feel it makes it somewhat more believable.

Then, Ender didn't quite vote for Fiesta, but I definitely don't feel right with him. Having the ability to block people from leaving their hotel rooms, it feels a bit weird, and I don't quite see how it would be helpful... Plus, he is taking the 4th slot of the Power Role category, so I feel like he's the least trustworthy as of right now... But I still believe some of his reasonings. >, <

So, in the end... The suspicion bar doesn't really mean much, because I still trust everyone in the end. xD

The only thing about it is, I just have slight suspicions on the people toward the red, is all... But, Fiesta still feels to be the most suspicious to me. D:

I'm not sure I should laugh or cry when we lose because of this lynch XD
They'll honestly win once I'm lynched as third party :3
I've basically already given up on trying. It's no use.
I'm sorry, but I just can't trust you as much as the others, Fiesta. D:

I'm going to have to go with the crowd, and what I feel is the most right... And I'm gonna have to say Fiesta is mafia.

If Fiesta is mafia, I feel it's likely to be true that Ender and maybe Kitty is mafia, as well... But, if he isn't... Then I'm likely to believe Ooglie and Notty /are/ working together, and plotted to get us to vote for Fiesta.

... Hopefully, I'm not wrong on this one.

vote Fiestaguy
 

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Votecount VII - The one where we call Ooglie rude names

Fiestaguy - 5 - NottyKitten, Ooglie101, Cooliorules, CaffeinatedKitty, Duffie (L-0)

Fiestaguy - Owen - Psychopath - lynched.
On alternating nights, chooses a hotel. A random person from that hotel dies horribly.

It is now Night 2
 
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The sun rises, and all of the guests rise from their beds. All but one: a Chinese man washed up on the beach.

Ooglie101 - Xiang - CEO
Every day, chooses a hotel in which to spend the night.

It is now Day 3.
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch and three to no lynch.

On the way out, the guests see the bartender hand a mysterious German man a beer. Weird. It's like 9 AM.
 

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Well, roleplay aside, I suppose it's time for the Daily Mashup.

Today, I chose Coolio and myself as my night action, as to bring Coolio into my inn... And because I was being hopeful that Coolio and myself wouldn't be targeted by Ender, and I'm still hoping he was on my side with that. xD

Looking at my inn, it used to have me, 77, and Ooglie... But, Ooglie had to leave my hotel, and then 77 had died previously... And, no one came into my inn this night, either. o. o

So, I was alone in my inn... It was very lonely...

And now, it's time to take into question the elephant in the room.

Ooglie was a CEO? o. o

I am alive what

Last night I investigated endersteve

And he's innocent
Oh, yeah, and Fruit claimed Cop... And survived?

I...

So many elephants, who put all these elephants in this room!?
Also, I thought Endersteve was believed innocent already?

Was ooglie innocent I can't see color
I don't see a color, either. o. o
 
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