Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Fog]

what

Solid evidence of what?

As in a positive cop visit or information or perhaps the doctor claiming who they saved. Then we have 2 potential confirmed townies

 

[Aqua]

what do you mean 'blatant'

you literally said earlier maf would be given the claim to help them blend in just like when hosts give players the actual role PM of the 'common town role' so maf can claim it properly

has your alignment just switched or something im baffled

I believe that mafia would be told about the role and how it worked - they wouldn't have been handed a pamphlet named "how 2 blend in"

I suspect some intuition and quick thinking would be needed - especially in the name department, that's obviously not going to be the first thing that's questioned

 

[Fog]

I feel the more Aqua talks the less I trust him. But that might just because I don't enjoy him talking.

 

[Aqua]

also idk i feel like it goes against the spirit of the current game to give this info out or not

I feel like it's a red herring anyway so I wouldn't worry

 

[Alisha]

I feel like it's a red herring anyway so I wouldn't worry

ok i'll just ignore inf

 

[Aqua]

As in a positive cop visit or information or perhaps the doctor claiming who they saved. Then we have 2 potential confirmed townies

I mean how does the latter prove anything

and once again do you not realise that with a massclaim the pool goes down from a possible 3/10 to a possible 3/5

you clearly don't understand how massclaims work or why one would do them if you think you should only claim post cop result

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I believe that mafia would be told about the role and how it worked - they wouldn't have been handed a pamphlet named "how 2 blend in"

I suspect some intuition and quick thinking would be needed - especially in the name department, that's obviously not going to be the first thing that's questioned

that's not a pamphlet of how to blend in its just giving them an actual claim that they can claim without being scared of being asked for their rolename afterwards

like i can see a world where stranger excludes that info to make it not too easy for maf to be able to claim sinner first, but i can also easily see a world where she just does give them the rolename

even if you read beta/tim as town, if youre confident in fog being scum then it makes no sense to massclaim today instead of tomorrow once fog is gone since you still havent said how a massclaim would change your confidence on fog unless cop has an inno on them (in which case why arent you just asking for cop to out if they have inno on fog), so massclaiming today instead of tomorrow won't change what you want to do and will just take 1 night away from PRs being able to use abilities if maf have a blocker/we dont have a doctor

 

[Fog]

I mean how does the latter prove anything

and once again do you not realise that with a massclaim the pool goes down from a possible 3/10 to a possible 3/5

you clearly don't understand how massclaims work or why one would do them if you think you should only claim post cop result

Mass claims are great in open setups, but we have nothing to tell us what the set up is so we are still shooting in the dark.

 

[Aqua]

like i can see a world where stranger excludes that info to make it not too easy for maf to be able to claim sinner first, but i can also easily see a world where she just does give them the rolename

I always like to assume the best about the host when meta posting

I was right last game about the game balancing and I have faith I will be right this game too.

if nomenclature came up early on all they'd need is a townie sinner to give theirs first and then copy them, fairly sure that's what has happened this game with Fog and Alisha.

even if you read beta/tim as town, if youre confident in fog being scum then it makes no sense to massclaim today instead of tomorrow once fog is gone since you still havent said how a massclaim would change your confidence on fog unless cop has an inno on them (in which case why arent you just asking for cop to out if they have inno on fog), so massclaiming today instead of tomorrow won't change what you want to do and will just take 1 night away from PRs being able to use abilities if maf have a blocker/we dont have a doctor

Well yea a cop report would help but if cop outs we might as well all massclaim. Depending on what was claimed would strengthen my suspicion of fog obv

If we get a bunch of extra sinners we lynch fog and all the PRs now have a night dedicated to a much more condensed pool

If we get some weird CC for cop or doc and they can't back up their claim, we lynch them. Simple.

Eitherway the town PRs get a head start even if some of them may be blcoked/die to mafia (which might not even be possible considering the lack of nightkill last night)

 

[Aqua]

Mass claims are great in open setups, but we have nothing to tell us what the set up is so we are still shooting in the dark.

Except for the 4 claims and the constant theory crafting that plays into what we know about the game.

If that was your worry then why would a positive cop report be needed?

I'm pretty sure ur scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses for ur mafia buds - even inf's reasoning is better than yours smdh

 

[Alisha]

if nomenclature came up early on all they'd need is a townie sinner to give theirs first and then copy them, fairly sure that's what has happened this game with Fog and Alisha.

hey that means im town

 

[Aqua]

hey that means im town

How, I'm implying you possibly copied beta's answer

 

[Aqua]

Is the only person I can trust this game PepeHands

 

[Alisha]

How, I'm implying you possibly copied beta's answer

wtf i gave shit out at the beginning of the game first

 

[Aqua]

wtf i gave shit out at the beginning of the game first

did you give your role name? x sinner x?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

If we get a bunch of extra sinners we lynch fog and all the PRs now have a night dedicated to a much more condensed pool

i predict there's like 2 information gathering roles, a cop-like role and something lesser like a blocker or watcher, since with 12 players that seems about right to me

so with this condensed pool, if maf have a blocker, which seems easily likely considering how common of a maf role it is, we get at most 1 'lesser info role' report from that small pool, which isnt guaranteed to be informative at all, all just to massclaim today when realistically its not gonna change the outcome of the day today and we could just do it tomorrow if you really want to massclaim

i'd rather make it likely we get at least 2 cop reports and massclaim tomorrow than that

If we get some weird CC for cop or doc and they can't back up their claim, we lynch them. Simple.

realistically mafia aren't going to cc a town PR instead of going in the sinner pool

Eitherway the town PRs get a head start even if some of them may be blcoked/die to mafia (which might not even be possible considering the lack of nightkill last night)

i think its unlikely the mafia cant kill in a game of mafia

 

[Aqua]

i predict there's like 2 information gathering roles, a cop-like role and something lesser like a blocker or watcher, since with 12 players that seems about right to me

so with this condensed pool, if maf have a blocker, which seems easily likely considering how common of a maf role it is, we get at most 1 'lesser info role' report from that small pool, which isnt guaranteed to be informative at all, all just to massclaim today when realistically its not gonna change the outcome of the day today and we could just do it tomorrow if you really want to massclaim

i'd rather make it likely we get at least 2 cop reports and massclaim tomorrow than that

Are you a pr?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i predict there's like 2 information gathering roles, a cop-like role and something lesser like a blocker or watcher

tracker* not watcher

but sinners have track actually so nvm ignore that example

 

[Fog]

I will say if Aqua is going down the path he is surely Alisha would be the most townie? As she is the player who has literally given ALL of the information?
I would say out of Alisha/Tim/Beta she is the person I trust the least but your logic makes no sense...

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I will say if Aqua is going down the path he is surely Alisha would be the most townie? As she is the player who has literally given ALL of the information?
I would say out of Alisha/Tim/Beta she is the person I trust the least but your logic makes no sense...

he's saying maf would've been given the role sinner, but not the rolename

so alisha giving the info she did could've easily come from mafia, she didn't give her rolename until after beta did

 

[Aqua]

I will say if @Aqua is going down the path he is surely Alisha would be the most townie? As she is the player who has literally given ALL of the information?

What is the path I'm going down?

 

[Fog]

What is the path I'm going down?

No you're like Beta is the most townie as they are revealing info first... but that's been Alisha

 

[Aqua]

he's saying maf would've been given the role sinner, but not the rolename

so alisha giving the info she did could've easily come from mafia, she didn't give her rolename until after beta did

Thoughts on fogs disingenuous campaign that I'm scum btw?

Idk whether he's salty that I'm trying to get him lynched or that this is an actual mafia attempt to try to shift focus onto me

 

[Alisha]

did you give your role name? x sinner x?

i said sinner first and the powers we can get

 

[Aqua]

No you're like Beta is the most townie as they are revealing info first... but that's been Alisha

Never said that