Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

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Focusing mainly on Aqua here, why wouldn't it make sense for him to be scum?
Mostly because of there being no kill n1, and I'm not sure how that could be explained unless HK saved Aqua. Unless there is of course some hidden mechanic like people need to deal with devil for maf to get a kill or something but that seems inbalanced. Even in that case then I feel like HK would have to be in on it or Aqua was very lucky. That said I still consider it as a valid theory that Aqua or Aqua + HK are both evil but I'd like to wait what happens this night first.
 

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Mostly because of there being no kill n1, and I'm not sure how that could be explained unless HK saved Aqua. Unless there is of course some hidden mechanic like people need to deal with devil for maf to get a kill or something but that seems inbalanced. Even in that case then I feel like HK would have to be in on it or Aqua was very lucky. That said I still consider it as a valid theory that Aqua or Aqua + HK are both evil but I'd like to wait what happens this night first.
So what don't you trust about his play?
 

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So what don't you trust about his play?
From the very beginning I didn't rly like his actions. Actively pushing for sinners d0 even though they are the VT role of this setup while he can check them. Next pushing hard for a massclaim IMO too early to probably get rid of saints. To me it felt off at least, especially that part where he was trying to lynch sinners super early on. His claim also seems slightly hard to believe, seems weird he can just clear people like that plus the idea looked similar to Inffy's claim before that.
 

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From the very beginning I didn't rly like his actions. Actively pushing for sinners d0 even though they are the VT role of this setup while he can check them. Next pushing hard for a massclaim IMO too early to probably get rid of saints. To me it felt off at least, especially that part where he was trying to lynch sinners super early on. His claim also seems slightly hard to believe, seems weird he can just clear people like that plus the idea looked similar to Inffy's claim before that.
Didn't aqua claim before inf?
 

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Didn't aqua claim before inf?
I alluded to my claim before him, but since I had so much to support my claim from day 0 and 1, I wanted inf and vat to claim first to prevent them from gaining info about the saint roles.

Which may have worked on inf as his name is the only name that isn't that of a real biblical saint.
 

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2 votes I believe...

Honestly I'm still not convinced that inf's role is townie tho, even if it does inform you.

We still don't know what the unforeseen consequences for town are... so I'm apprehensive in letting you keep your PR but at the same time a tracker or blocker is far more useful than inf's role
if youre town, then you know deals are anti-town, because you prevent them

if my role undoes deals, why wouldnt that be a town role

plus if you really want tim to keep his ability in spite of the unforeseen consequences he can always deal again tonight and see if it gets accepted, though i advise against that

Inf's ability could easily be the devil deal goes through and the devil gets the power, but prevents the sinner gaining the power they agreed to

psh y'all give up too easily
in that case tim would be able to say that tomorrow

like ive said already, the message tim gets is that the deal is undone, why would the devil keep the power if the deal is no more

I know Weak/Jobbiis from discord mafia and I would expect him to talk differently and at least contribute more as town. You can then confirm me tomorrow (assuming you are not lying) and we're good.
twg contributes regardless of alignment, inactivity is irrelevant to that for him

Also for people who say my swap to Fog was scummy, my reasoning for that was because I started townreading sessy and inffy during that day. That's why I had a decent feeling about the lynch and reconsidered voting for him and even if he flipped town my suspicious would go to Aqua/HK. I was legit one of the few that was trying to defend/townread him so I am not sure how that got turned around on me.
my issue with it is 1) your defence was based on completely untrue statements such as how everyone was pushing fog, even though they werent, only like 3 of us were at that time, 2) your switch to thinking me/sessy are town was so random and conveniently timed right after the fog lynch was gaining traction and you never even gave a reason for why you think we're town, 3) just because me/sessy were town that doesnt mean we're correct about whos mafia, so us being town shouldnt have changed your mind on fog if you truly thought he was being pushed by everyone and that was the reason you scumread him, since that part hadnt changed just because your read of me/sessy had

mafia defend mislynches because they think it makes them look good all the time, so saying you defended fog means nothing to me
 

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in that case tim would be able to say that tomorrow

like ive said already, the message tim gets is that the deal is undone, why would the devil keep the power if the deal is no more
1) that would confirm your action and not your alignment

2) that could just as easily be a cover for scum to benefit from the deal without town being able to get powers
 

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1) that would confirm your action and not your alignment

2) that could just as easily be a cover for scum to benefit from the deal without town being able to get powers
1) but the action is inherently town

2) so you think stranger is intentionally misleading town into thinking the deal was undone even though it wasnt?
 

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1) but the action is inherently town

2) so you think stranger is intentionally misleading town into thinking the deal was undone even though it wasnt?
1) the action is only inherrently town if it's not a devil cover ive been over this

2) no dont try to deflect onto the setup again, theres a difference between misleading and not giving all the information
 

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1) the action is only inherrently town if it's not a devil cover ive been over this

2) no dont try to deflect onto the setup again, theres a difference between misleading and not giving all the information
1) but it isnt a devil cover because that doesnt make sense, because:

2) but if stranger tells tim his deal is undone then that would be misleading him if the deal isnt undone. if its undone then why would devil keep their side of the deal
 

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1) but it isnt a devil cover because that doesnt make sense, because:

2) but if stranger tells tim his deal is undone then that would be misleading him if the deal isnt undone. if its undone then why would devil keep their side of the deal
i refuse to respond to 1) anymore

2) because it's the devil???? in lore even agreeing to enter a deal with the devil gives them power
 

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i refuse to respond to 1) anymore

2) because it's the devil???? in lore even agreeing to enter a deal with the devil gives them power
2) if you want to believe that, despite tim being told the deal isnt a thing anymore, the devil still keeps their power, then fine, but to me thats extremely unlikely/misleading
 
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