Market Crash [Game Over]
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JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Well... I did claim to have made the security post if that's anything.
I even said yesterday that my role wouldn't be in effect until the next day (which is today) which somewhat lends credence to it being me who posted that message (although if you want to be 100% certain I can just say "Hey, JKang here!" tomorrow instead of having a cool chance to RP :< ).
Whether or not you think I'm anti-town its up to you, but since at least one of the investigations has turned out true (as confirmed by you)
and the other 2 investigations should also turn out true (unless tim has some sort of Godfather effect and is evil) then hopefully that should solidify my claim.
I also have work now so Ill respond later o/
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
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Infected_alien8_ - 1 (Nottykitten)
With 10 players it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to no lynch.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Hey, I at least spoke a lot yesterday!
Its a bit slow since people seem busy. :c
At least Dess has a post in the works. <3
Well, since you can't win anymore but want to help the town, maybe some things can be expanded on?Well rip me, I guess I'll come clean because I've lost the game now and there's no point lying anymore.
I lied about being the Agent - I'm not even townsided. I'm third party: the Corrupt Official. Basically I'm a roleblocker who's win condition is that Oak won the game, and Oak now has no chance of winning so I've lost.
I know you guys might want to lynch me but I'm basically useless now, and if I'm kept alive I'll help scumhunt because that's fun.
Also to further explain why Oak has no chance of winning now, he told me in our PM chat that every night he chose one person. The first night was a person he bet would survive until the end of the game, and then the second night was a person he bet would die before the end, and it'd keep going like that. For each correct answer he got a point and for each incorrect answer he got minus a point, and for each night he was dead he got minus a point too. So my only hope of getting Oak, and therefore me, to win, was to try to get the game to end tomorrow night with the person he chose alive. So I decided the only hope I had was to just go all out and try to lynch the person I found the most suspicious in the hopes that I was right and we'd be down to one or two terrorists left, increasing the chance for the game ending that night if the vig/SK got lucky or something. But obviously it didn't work and the game's still going so yeah I've lost
Like what are these "points," since it seems like a weird aspect of the role not fully explained by his death-reveal explanation alone (Oak = Bets on which players will be alive at the end). Like, does he need to reach a certain amount of points to win? Or just have the game finish with at least 1 point?
As well, since you're a roleblocker, did you use it last night (since you didn't use it the first night), and who did you target?
Information is power, and any tiny bit will help the town piece together what happened with the events during the night and potentially lead to lynching the right person today.
I can't convince you that I'm not anti-town, but I'll say again that I'm very much a townie and that your hunch/gut is wrong in this instance.
Let's take a step back and look at how I could potentially be against the town.
At worst, I could be third-party. I don't have much of a possibility of being Mafia. Why you ask? The answer is simple.
For starters, I have presented 3 very clear investigations, with 1 being confirmed by you, 1 partially confirmed (though not entirely) in regards to Tim, since he can't quite prove himself unless he dies or claims, and a final investigation that should hopefully be made clear if it did happen by Dessern at a later date (when he has time to write up a post).
Also note that these were all investigations that occurred Night 1. What also happened Night 1?-- 2 Mafia died, as far as we can tell anyways;
on that note however I'm guessing there is most likely a role that simply makes sure the town doesn't know the roles of who died in the Mafia, since they have entirely been labeled by their affiliation while every other role has had a minor explanation of their role upon their death.
Anyways, back on topic... There should be at most 4 Mafia members... as 5 would be too large a number for how little players are in this game (15 to be exact). There cannot be 3 either unless there are 2 third-party killing roles which I found doubtful, because we, or at least I know for certain Webpaige's death was caused by the Vigilante. That leaves Vatu and Mars to have been killed elsewhere; 1 by the Mafia, and 1 by a third-party killer in the most likely circumstance.
Now that we have a good look at a very likely number of Mafia to hypothesize with, let's look back at yesterday when 2 of the Mafia died.
That leaves 2 other Mafia members living. I could not have received the 3 investigations if I was apart of the Mafia (and I guess, the final member now that Webpaige is dead if my guesses are right) as my "allies" are dead; It would've been left to both myself and my partner to have used our night abilities if we had any.
With this in mind I don't see me really being Mafia. Even less likely third-party because it would be hard to see a lone role having so much investigative power and being third-party.
The only caveat I can see is if the "Timdood is innocent" investigation was simply pulled out of thin air, because it's a very easy claim to make.
Plus, anyone would accept being considered "innocent" because they either are, or are anti-town trying to pretend they are innocent.
However, as a cop (and I know who that is by the way) has not yet come forward to dispute the investigation and existence of themselves, I would consider this investigation somewhat reliable.
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Anyways, I think I know what Dess is, and what he'll say tomorrow.
I think Dess is the Doctor.
This is mostly because almost every game has some form of Doctor (it wouldn't be Mafia without one) and as nothing seems to have happened to Ooglie when Dess visited him, it seems to be a safe bet.
And thus, I consider him to be fairly trustworthy if my hunch is correct (which could be dispelled once Dess replies)
Now, I think I'm gonna vote for someone because I think there's only 2 threats left to the town:
>1 remaining Mafia member.
>1 third-party (not counting Innfy if he's telling the truth) who is the serial killer(or some kind of killing role/whatever).
At this time I think it would be wise that if the town tracker's target last night visited someone who died last night that they reveal themselves, as well most likely have one of our 2 remaining threats.
Otherwise it would be best to remain hidden until further notice.
And with that,
Vote Ooglie101 because why not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Im curious to see what Dess has to say, but why would you think its a good idea to "speculate" who the town doctor is? If you think you know isnt it best to keep to yourself so the Mafia doesnt get any ideas?
CaffeinatedKitty
Intoxicated Feline
That's what I was thinking. Why reveal who a possible doc is? Anyone with experience should know that claiming as doc is a terrible idea, so what makes it a better idea to tell everyone who you think the doc is?
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
I only have time for a short quick post but jk, two questions:
1) if you knew there was a cop role why did you believe me when I said I was that cop-like role
2) You said your ability only had a purpose last night, hence why you wouldn't claim day 1, but you had a report to out from night 1 still, and if you were planning on outing yourself as the spokesperson the next day anyway (which I'm guessing you were because you said you would claim the next day and I doubt you would intent to lie and come up with another role to fit the story) then why did you have to wait to claim today? You weren't needing time to make something up were you?!
Sorry I this doesn't make much sense I'll clarify later if I need to
1) if you knew there was a cop role why did you believe me when I said I was that cop-like role
2) You said your ability only had a purpose last night, hence why you wouldn't claim day 1, but you had a report to out from night 1 still, and if you were planning on outing yourself as the spokesperson the next day anyway (which I'm guessing you were because you said you would claim the next day and I doubt you would intent to lie and come up with another role to fit the story) then why did you have to wait to claim today? You weren't needing time to make something up were you?!
Sorry I this doesn't make much sense I'll clarify later if I need to
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I waz litterally about to say "wait I swear you rated this post thank you before... whyd you change it?". Then I read your latest post.
Youre off the hook this time but im watching you Inf!
Youre off the hook this time but im watching you Inf!
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
Not necessarily. I would consider that rule largely applying near the beginning of the game, however I believe the game is nearing its end soon. Also knowing who and who isn't town helps narrow down who we should be targeting for a lynch, especially if there are only a few threats remaining.
Also based on the investigations presented, it's one conclusion that can be drawn, and as stated in past games, if something can be concluded by one person, it can and will be concluded by others. Even if I did not say anything, because all it is is speculation and holds no water, someone else either would have said something (such as Dess himself) or would have acted on it later tonight.
Additionally, I always do this and have never been called out on it before. It seems people have only focused on such in more recent games even though in most circumstances (but not all) I consider it to be a rather silly notion. The vast majority of the time it's just someone throwing out a hunch that can be very easily be wrong (especially in closed set-up games as we don't even know who or what exists). It's much more understandable in open-setup games.
So in short... meh!¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I didn't necessarily believe you.
I just considered your role to be potentially likely to exist, and that you were not necessarily against the town based on your actions that day (although now we see otherwise based on your alignment reveal).
In past games, there have been numerous accounts of multiple investigative/"cop" roles. They can be all generic cops but with modifiers like "naive" or "insane," but there can also be roles that differ from normal cops, be only one-shot investigations, items, and etc.
If im not mistaken in Russian Mafia, Ooglie's role involved getting scrambled messages.
Since you claimed something involving scrambled alignments which could/could not be wrong, it seems like a role like that could exist. A modified or weaker cop alongside a regular cop has been seen before.
Well... I did claim that day that I would reveal myself the next day, so at that point I would think I would've had what I wanted to say locked down, and I basically did at that point, especially since it was discussed in our inn. I said it would happen the next day, and behold! a security notice was posted (by me) and then I claimed like I said I would (hinted at by me saying "the spokesperson will be with you shortly").
And my role didn't have a purpose that day when you accused me because I didn't accept the role until the following night.
As a group we didn't see a reason to sacrifice one of our abilities the first night because nothing of value would come in accepting a new role who only gives day messages, as we would have nothing to report, and we'd be revealing ourselves quite early, giving those against the town a potential hint at our identities.
Plus, why would I have claimed Tracker then and there?
I probably would've been offed instantly during the night because I'm was an investigative PR at the time, and killing off any town sided PR is good for the Mafia. Luckily I don't quite have to bother with that now that my ability is just sending the day messages.
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